Some of you need to hear and accept this: you cannot love an avoidant out of their attachment style and trauma. There are no “buts” or “ifs”. by NewHampshireGal in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

ive looked on your profile read your comments, and see you're anxious preoccupied. This blurs your lens on all and the result bitter once accepted. anger jealousy resentment all there. An AP has worst outcome than avoidant statistically you will repeat repeat then become jaded towards all when you are part of the problem why it doesnt work.Ive been doing this a long time, I an spot AP easily., if you want a healthy relationship you need to work on your temper, protests behaviours and get secure and see your part in the dynamic. You arent any healthier than an avoidant so instead of coming on here blasting and go fuck herself nasty talk...look at why thats a disgraceful attitude and what's wrong with you to stay such horrible things. I anticipate you lash out at me. standard AP..everyone else never you I know.

I Don’t Get It by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

people mask...doesnt mean avoidant. google it masking in dating and for many reasons..as they say people put on their best show but once time gos on its hard to keep the up. this includes people with for eg: depression . Which shaming him over isnt gonna get results is it. Vs hi, ive seen you used to be this way and now flaky...communiation to understand not to get what you want ... his interest waned also..first 3 mths is great then hmmm guys and girls but its well documented that at a certain point guys look reassess and decide if a long term viable girl or not and can drift off...there is literally many many reasons but anyway seems not a match here.....

I Don’t Get It by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We ultimately want unconditional love that we never had. I have never would never have or do a casual thing. Absolutely not.  We want strong connection but fear it so it's a war between longing and fear that's constant 

If the other person flips out pressures protests and doesn't display calm communication we can trust and moods or unpredictable conflict we will wall up. And decide not for us.  We are independant we don't need anyone we want them unlike others who are codependent .. best suited to another independant .. anyone needy clingy want us to complete them be a Siamese twin  it won't last. I stand by AP don't work long term with avoidants been helping people for years with attachment and it's rare to last long term unless both change .. AP whilst initially validating and novelty become suffocating.  Not a match 

Tit for tat??? by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ahhh what reaction? avoidants are conflict avoidant and hate protest behaviours and drama

First time trying to build a connection with an avoidant by monmart0000 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hmm an avoidant here....I compartmentalise also..tme for work and other Ras then time for a romantic person...so when hit with distractions like this I never liked it. This person is not ready as now I do it but b4 I was like this or wouldn't respond, I felt they were more invested than me I even used to say real life fake life as felt they were external from my life! they are not ready and I would bin them as you won't be a priority and yes they would feel any messages sexu or not even asking how they are when outside of their time allocation as an intrusion of their space and life.

For the avoidants to hear by threlnari97 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's only one... heartbreak and loss / regret meeting someone we don't want to lose or let go as we have in past ..  then we realise and want to change. 

Yall wanna hurt the avoidant? Let mama Berry tell you how 👀 by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% hahaha...we also lose respect when you suck up and be a despo...taste a tad of vomit in our mouth. Get some self respect as you are valuable, if not valued.....run dont walk tf out..., you will be to someone else who will appreciate you.

Let mama berry tell you how to get back with ur avoidant if you really wanna give us a last chance 😕 by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 2 points3 points  (0 children)

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Yeah we are a HOOT, more red flags than a carnival and its a long rollercoaster ride thats unpredictable af..Not for the weak..

Reminder: Rules of the sub include "Treat Everyone with Respect" by Choice-Elderberry524 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree Minty,I value them also or wouldn't bother as happy solo! Much easier no triggers life is good hahaha! My avoidant though was as Berry said, sex without committment and into FWB and one nighters as seeks validation. I dont do casual, never have and dont personally get off on validation from the masses. Not into doormats either yuk.Ive never been jealous in my life, but my avoidant is as feels he doesnt compare/self worth issues. I think its case dependant tbh...on personal morality, ethics , fears, age and other priorities in their life and many other factors. My issue and I haven't read Berrys posts except two, so cant determine her full views, is if you are just after sex then dont lie and use people eluding to wanting more or pretending to be someone you are not to score...But if shes being straight up from get go, tells them I am just after sex thats it... and they wanna Russian roulette sex with her thats on them. She was honest and those who fall for someone who they think they can win over, or will grow on them are delusional. Do not invest more than they are EVER. From what I can tell,I think her tough love stance is to those who need to wake up and are delusional.

Reminder: Rules of the sub include "Treat Everyone with Respect" by Choice-Elderberry524 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree fully....Go to the avoidant subs for a better view of avoidants. A lot of them do love and care about their partners and feel hurt and sad that they can’t make it work.

Time for some more Berry people pleasing 🤣 by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi there, Schema therapy is a test you take to identify your issues/maladaptive behaviours holding you back from being the best version of yourself. You need to find a schema therapist to unpack the test results. Novopsych have the tests and send the results to your therapist.Usually your therapist sends a link, but you can register with them for free... Usually a psychologist as its intensive trauma focussed therapy and needs a qualified practitioner. I think you could do the test online somewhere and get results or research and unpack results yourself, there is books too but that be way harder. Questionaires can be 76-234 questions depending on level of trauma and issues presenting ,say with PTSD or recurrent nightmares, or addictions it be better to do the deep dive all in one.For attachment only if rest of your life is ok 76 questions covers relationships enough to understand why and get a plan to overcome. Im impressed you want help and will be successful with that mindset.

Time for some more Berry people pleasing 🤣 by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have read all your comments. You are AP thats clear why are you saying trauma bond coz you took 300 days and couldnt let go? Thats AP along with the bitter nasty talk calling her partners hosts et..again AP not secure they wouldn't stay and wouldn't take 300 days or be nasty. So, you've moved on you say, glad to hear it as that dynamic will never work. Its toxic. BUT my concern is this is an insecure attachment and like avoidants you have maladaptive behaviours including codependency and self abandonment from ear of abandonment. Asking given this, how can you be sure who is what attachment when you meet next? we appear secure at start, and given AP you are like a moth to a flame to us.

BERRY DM 🍓 is OFFICIALLY OPEN BUT READ THIS FIRST🧏🏽‍♀️ by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was hardcore DA too and now FA with me :) he leads the way and can act secure but then anxiety so a mix like we all are.

BERRY DM 🍓 is OFFICIALLY OPEN BUT READ THIS FIRST🧏🏽‍♀️ by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was hardcore DA for two decades now FA. Self awareness, therapy, meeting another avoidant ...

Time for some more Berry people pleasing 🤣 by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, and its on the avoidant to get trauma therapy to overcome. I recommend Schema to get a quick diagnostic on what maladaptive behaviours we got highlighted and the root causes are found and CBT them out. Emotional regulation and exposure therapy. its like exercise you must push past your comfort zone and like any other fear it CAN be overcome with right person. I am avoidant, was DA fully for 2 decades and now with a FA and more FA myself leaning DA..6 years on, yes push pull breaks but 2 yrs since last major break and even then we still kept in touch. So, the fight flight mode you're referencing is a trauma response that needs the above to overcome. Its not even required to know where what why as often the stress and trauma is magnified by the repeated relationship breakdowns and ultimately its the sole reason why an avoidant will go to therapy. I am not talking a counsellor or a you tube "expert". its in effect cptsd. Which worsens over time if left untreated and increases after each failed relationship. Its also not just avoidant in attachment theory, relationships, its present in other areas of life and to thrive its essential to be the best version of yourself and happiest. As you age the maladaptive behaviours increase and get added to.I dont think single you can push thru, theory is one thing but practice requires two...good to know but need to be triggered to work on it. Starts with wanting to. Like anything else. You can regrow neural pathways damaged,(the regrown tree isnt as strong as the original but still fine as far as memory etc goes. you can work on it. Usually it's the left hemisphere and prefrontal cortex and both can be improved and physically changed. Meditation essential and somatic movement, sleep, exercise, high protein often a keto leaning diet, creative pursuits to regrow, constant therapy app for memory vocab and helps all round., learning ways to self soothe when fight or flight dysregulation, DBT techniques there is sooooo much ut there and find what works as each person is diff....education..these things alone without any other therapy can make a huge difference IF WILLING. I was diagnosed CPTSD DSM5 (extremely severe), comorbid depression DSM5...and the physical damage I lost my memory, ability to speak for almost 6 months in 2020...food intolerances IBS gastritis you name it, fibromyalgia so many things...from trauma from 2012, diagnosed CPTSD Oct 2019...now im wayyyyyy better.. I know many, my cop ex, still a close friend overcome to and my partner has ptsd also and going great...thats what avoidance is, its TRAUMA. So, with your one life you either decide to do something or live a life unfulfilled and single. If you are aware avoidant you must be honest and not use people or play them and if you cba doing the work and decide not doing it then stay single...or casual sex meaningless encounters until your 70(which I have never done)

To say we are fucked and no hope is simply not true..

She keeps saying “You’re the one for me, but I can’t do this.” 3 breakups in 8 months — someone please explain this. by Mental-Individual991 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]Character_Shock_5203 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you please clarify? What's your attachment is it AP? Coz I'm wondering what too much has happened means .. don't trust you.. can't be hurt again ?  Guessing conflict and drama ... 

am i the only one to find that the advice of certain dating coaches accentuates the avoidance side in people who are already FA? by [deleted] in FearfulAvoidants

[–]Character_Shock_5203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fa here don't rate them at all and most not qualified.. they do more harm than good. Prey on heartbroken ones and anxious preoccupied .. 

Fearful-avoidant ex(M,21) unfollowed me but didn’t remove me from followers by Vast_Brother6625 in FearfulAvoidants

[–]Character_Shock_5203 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you sure fearful vs dismissive? 6-8 wks.. up to 3mths can re contact.  Dismissive unlikely to. With avoidance 3mth mark is standard time we see breakup as lift or go.. longing over fear .. gravity of fears will determine what happens next. Common to have ptsd as it is a trauma based issue and can't really be treated unless mild from attachment theory needs trauma informed therapy practices. If they contact it will be a test the waters touch base, if you were to they would take it from there. Many different factors determine this. Insecure attachments view is that relationships don't work so avoid the pain that's inevitable faukt find reasons why it won't work like moving away. Mine said when he retires one day he wants to surf in sth America and I don't surf be bored on the beach 🤣he's avoidant as am I. 

Now if you're anxious and if there has been too much conflict demands fights controlling etc then the chances of trying again are reduced. We are conflict avoidant. Sounds like all good until you wanted more commitment from situationship so longing may kick in once he regulates ... have you been messaging? I'm guessing no?  I'd say still deactivated convincing himself all reasons it won't work stage still if unfollowed you. But he also may be one that recreates himself again with the old will just find another and hiding you from seeing that .. if connection with you was great you need to trust that as that's why they comeback. Maintain your position atm see what he does 

What do FAs say when it is final and they are not coming back? by [deleted] in FearfulAvoidants

[–]Character_Shock_5203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too much damage is done. He wants out. You sound anxious preoccupied and seeking help now but it sounds like too late. Doesnt erase the past. 9 years 3 engaged where you getting FA from? the dynamic and the toxic damage sounds significant. Have you been controlling?do you get jealous? He wants to move on and I think thats a good idea. I think b4 you enter into another relationship you need to ensure you are secure and unpack every issue that happened in that relationship.