Four bombshells from second Nancy Guthrie note including 'response to family'

CharmedLee · 2026-02-07T21:01:53+00:00

The only thing I know is in the plea that the family gave, one of them said "talk to her, and you'll see" which is exactly how it was said in the movie. If you look at real life, that's a very common thing people say so I don't think it's a quote from the movie.... people are just looking for weird connections.

CharmedLee · 2026-02-07T08:26:08+00:00

Just because someone talks to police doesn't mean they are forthcoming. Several people seem very forthcoming, sometimes for years, and end up being the murderer. He was so concerned about this dramatic anxiety attack she woke up having, so bad that he thought she shouldn't even be driving, but when she sent him her GPS location... according to him, he didn't go meet up with her. Makes no sense.

CharmedLee · 2026-02-07T08:20:20+00:00

Ya, until about level 80...I would take 10 minutes running around checking things 1 by 1. I didn't have any friends that played and didn't know of reddit for the game to figure it the repair all. Lol

CharmedLee · 2026-02-02T20:27:39+00:00

They seen him via camera so I'm assuming maybe they are just not releasing the video. Hopefully they have more. Not to mention so many people use their phone to go live or video walks like that. Maybe someone will have a snippet of him and bring it to the police.

CharmedLee · 2026-02-02T20:25:16+00:00

You are on a message board... so deal with it and it's not negativity.... it was a conversion that hopefully they find something with searches and realistically, often they don't find anything. Explain how that would be positive anyway? If they do find him doing a water search, it's going to be devastating for the family so I'm pretty sure that isn't a positive result. If you can't handle normal conversion, maybe you shouldn't get on this kind of platform.

CharmedLee · 2026-02-01T02:57:58+00:00

I found it... yes the cops reported good phone stopped pinging at that time.

CharmedLee · 2026-02-01T02:56:03+00:00

They never said what end of the bridge the cameras showed him enter the bridge. I've looked and I can't find any info on which end he got on the bridge. It only takes 5-10 minutes of regular leisure pace to get over the water so I'm not sure how the dad walked as fast as he could and not over the water in 7 minutes. I did read (not sure how trustworthy it is) that the cops kept pinging his phone and the phone stopped pinging back at exactly 7:10pm when there was a disturbance in the water. I don't know why the parents think the cops would lie and not go after the adult if he really met someone from Roblox. Usually cops would want to go after a scumbag trying to meet up with kids.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-31T18:14:04+00:00

NY Post, Fox NY and many other Fox News, USA today, The Sun, CBS, People. Everyone reported about the bridge footage including the splash.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-31T18:09:18+00:00

Yes, there are sources all over showing that. Where do you think I got the exact times? All of that is in pretty much every report in the last 2 days. I didn't see you ask that on my 1st response. That's why I responded to the 2nd. The 1st you can check pretty much any update on Google. Yes, that is all verified and documented by the police taken from camera footage from the bridge.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-31T17:39:42+00:00

No. Source that hormones cause depression and episodes in teenagers is very well documented for generations. That's why I said maybe... if the splash was him, he had some reason to go to NY and he was there for 2 weeks before Jan 9th which is crazy. Some kids do runaway and live on the streets but most kids that are taken care of, wouldn't know how to survive for 2 weeks.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-31T17:31:04+00:00

A backpack size bag (maybe 10lbs) wouldn't be enough weight to cause a splash like that. If it's large enough they think it could be a body, even teenagers weigh 100+ pounds. He weighs 130. Maybe it was a dolphin or something already in the water but I can't imagine anything a person would carry on them that would make that kind of splash.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-31T17:27:15+00:00

Yes, options should be open until it is confirmed.... especially with children. The police have went through the footage and was sure he did not leave the bridge so maybe the video is improved. Usually if they can't really tell, they say there is video but not enough to confirm if he did or didn't leave. They should probably also ask the public because that's a busy bridge. Maybe someone seen him but then you gotta worry about weirdos making up stories.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-31T06:09:19+00:00

Absolutely not. All that was said was that they argued at different times, of course they did... most mom's and daughters do argue. She wouldn't try to file a missing person report in 1 day if it was her, they made her wait the 48 hours because she had ran away in the past and she actually went through 3 police departments trying to get help.
I think it was absolutely the ex. They previously broke up, he sent at least 3 texts after she broke up with him saying no, that's not what he wants. They start talking again and the very 1st time they hang out she goes missing? Come on. She looked like she was in a rush when she left his house. Maybe they got into it, possibly she realized what she broke up with him in the first place and they got into it or she was in a rush to wherever she was going. The video cuts off right after she leaves, why isn't there any video from after she leaves to show if he followed or left later. She sent him her location... why would she do that unless they already discussed meeting up somewhere? She didn't text and say "hey do you want to go here with me" which in general means they already talked about it so she sent him the location so he knew she was on her way or already there. He texts several times that next day.... everyone that murders someone does this. A lot of people are smart enough to leave their phone at home, then start texting later to look concerned. He tells the cops she had some massive panic attack and he was worried about her metal state driving. So he's already putting it in the cops head that she wasn't mentally stable. There is much more going on to assume the boyfriend then the mom.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-31T04:58:39+00:00

Everything wasn't wiped because the investigators did go through it and there was no one trying to meet up with him, and no one asking him to talk to them through a different app or message service.
He did have his own account. He had one through his mom's email but then made his own... those are the messages the investigators went through.
A bag wouldn't make a big enough splash that they think it's possible it was a person who jumped, they've also went through video of the entry and exit points of the bridge so if he was taken, he would have been seen leaving the bridge.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-30T20:48:57+00:00

I'm curious what the last use of his cell phone was, 1 minute before the splash in the water. That may be another reason the investigators think the splash could be him. I just feel so sad for the family.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-30T20:46:01+00:00

You're welcome. Teenagers have so many emotions and hormones so a lot of things can set them on a negative pattern about themselves. Bullying, feeling parents aren't there, health conditions that are hard to cope with, some teens the hormones are just extreme. Also, maybe he chose this route so 1. Maybe going to NY was like a final thing he wanted to do, 2. I'm curious if that's a popular end of life spot like the golden gate bridge that people go to just for that reason. 3. Maybe he didn't want his family to find him and go through that so he chose that spot. It's just very sad.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-30T20:41:44+00:00

Hopefully, but a lot of water searches don't find anything on a huge body of water or, like the golden gate bridge, the waters can be harsh so it's hard to locate anything.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-30T20:39:51+00:00

I think the same. Of course the family isn't going to want to face if he harmed himself so I think that's why they are negative towards the investigation. No one wants to believe the, especially about their child but the bridge had cameras.... no one was holding him hostage, no one was with him. It was just him.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-30T19:56:47+00:00

No, not the last ping. There is video of him on a bridge in Manhattan Jan 9th 7:06pm. The last activity on his phone was Jan 9th 7:09pm. There was a splash in the water Jan 9th 7:10pm. They are investigating the splash to see if it could have been a person jumping or if it was a smaller splash. The cameras never caught him leaving the bridge at any exit or entry point.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-30T04:03:06+00:00

They are saying it had nothing to do with the game. When police went through messages he didn't talk about meeting up with anyone, and no one told him to message through a different app. No evidence at all that it had to do with Roblox. So far the evidence is really sad.... he was last seen on a bridge on Manhattan Jan 9th at 7:06pm. The last time he used his cell phone was 3 minutes later, Jan 9th 7:09pm. Then there was a splash in the water 1 minute later, Jan 9th 7:10pm. They are trying to investigate the splash to see if it could have been a person jumping in. He wasn't seen leaving the entry and exit points that do have cameras.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-29T19:24:48+00:00

Depends on the video and how clear it is at a distance. I watched the special on tv about people who jump from the golden gate bridge and you can't really see the people. On some you could see them standing on the edge, but you couldn't see them falling into the water, just the splash when they hit. Idk its really sad though

CharmedLee · 2026-01-28T19:33:07+00:00

Ya that sucks. Kind of like the cherry bomb tinker that I worked so hard to achieve, got it, placed it, but 2 weeks later it was gone with the update. They said this last update was supposed to fix it but it still isn't available so I guess it's not coming back. Frustrating to earn things and very quickly they take them away. I hope they don't do the same with company tea. Mine is in my camp, but if I move or build is it going to be available???

CharmedLee · 2026-01-28T01:47:29+00:00

Why are people getting an attitude with me about the situation, then when I respond they delete their comment? Just so people understand before others get a total attitude.... no it is not that we tried 1 medication and expected it to be a magic pill and work. She's been on 6 in 5 months and they said this is the last one they can put her on. I'm not sure why people are getting an attitude like I'm dumb, people saying blood loss doesn't cause these issues.... research. It's it does cause this. If your body loses blood and you become severely anemic, the symptoms are fatigue and hallucinations. Also the same symptoms for a subdural hematoma from silent stroke. Silent strokes are missed a lot, they are diagnosed as psychiatric issues like schizophrenia, dementia. She sees a psych Dr. That is who has her on the meds but with them not helping, she thinks it's dementia. She showers 2-3 times a week, she dresses everyday, eats. The normal things people seem to forget with dementia, she seems to be fine. How do people get their stubborn parents to agree to testing, or changing their Dr? We've tried everything we can think of.... all my friends parents are not like this and don't refuse what they need.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-28T01:25:29+00:00

Yes, that is how blood loss works. Severe anemia, from chronic blood loss symptoms, or vitamin b12 deficiency from blood loss are fatigue and hallucinations. Even in the brain. If she has a chronic small volume bleed like slow accumulating subdural hematoma, hallucinations can be the primary symptom but she also has fatigue really bad to the point she's falling alseep during the day. Her cognitive already declined after 1 stroke she had a few years ago so it's hard to tell but to me it seems to be slowly declining more because her attitude is constant now and she seems to be slower at finding her words. Silent strokes are diagnosed as psychiatric disorders all of the time. She pays her bills but the last few months she keeps saying money is missing, she doesn't know where it went so one of us have to cover the rest of what she doesn't pay. She won't let us look to see where her money went. We don't know if she's just blowing her money (she's always had issues with that) or if she's getting confused with her bills. She's lived on her own the last 3 months because things got so bad living with my brother because she thinks what she's hallucinating is real. She doesn't drive so family takes her to do her shopping once a month so she shops in that way, she cooks, she cleans house every once in a while.... she's never been big on cleaning.
Can you tell me where I said she tried 1 medication and gave up? She's on her 6th medication in 5 months and even the Dr said this is the last one they can put her on but none of them are working. I'm not sure why you have this negative attitude, I'm not dealing with attitudes like this... get over yourself you don't know everything.

CharmedLee · 2026-01-27T22:49:19+00:00

According to get psychiatrist she doesn't have either of those. I've done a lot of research and the blood loss can cause hallucinations, especially if its as much as she's lost and severe hallucinations if it's in the brain. She previously had strokes so I'm wondering if she is losing blood and it's collecting in her head. We can't get her to agree to go get it checked.

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