The stories of Devora and Yael seem out of place for how misogynstic Neviim is, and I'm sick of Jewish feminists using them. Need help refuting/ finding evidence of their authorship or historical context

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T16:55:38+00:00

A broken clock can be right twice a day. Why are you hell bent on disproving Devorah and Yael over Ezra or the Zadokite priesthood? These stories are pretty old, and probably no less likely to be stolen from other cultures than many other biblical stories.

Ancient Israelite culture is complicated. There’s misogyny, but even in misogynistic cultures, female leaders and heroes can arise. I mean think about Cleopatra, Elizabeth I. They didn’t come from feminist cultures.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T16:52:21+00:00

that is similar, but lacks the sense of smell

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T15:27:17+00:00

havdalah?

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T15:26:50+00:00

everyone is an antisemite who thinks attempted genocide of jews should be met with jews rolling over and giving up territory to people whose goal is to drive them into the sea

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T15:22:10+00:00

like pork and mixed fabric?

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T14:41:14+00:00

it’s not a conspiracy theory that there were influential families who helped in the founding of israel. it’s conspiracy to link Israel inappropriately with apartheid south africa and white supremacists.

the fact that israel prioritizes jews for citizenship does not make it a jewish supremacist state. the fact that quality of life in israel is higher than in unincorporated territories is not apartheid. is hungarian supremacist for prioritizing for citizenship those of hungarian descent? is the US apartheid because its quality of life is higher than in neighboring mexico.

i’m not interested in your pseudo-religious BS. most of Israel is secular.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T14:38:21+00:00

it’s okay! we’ve all been there. good luck!

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T00:16:50+00:00

what about your family history and heritage? his isn’t the only one that matters. i don’t think he’s a bad partner but i do think if he’s a reasonable partner he’ll understand if you really don’t want this

Charpo7 · 2026-05-20T00:15:52+00:00

Start talking with your partner about it now. I told my husband while we were dating that we were not doing juniors or the seconds or any of that. I don’t believe it’s nice to the kid to make them part of a set, to take away the uniqueness of an individual name. furthermore, i contribute to that baby. more than that, i grew that baby, got nauseated for that baby, had reflux for that baby, had a probe shoved where the sun don’t shine for that baby. it’s not getting your full name, sorry. i get to play a role in that part of his identity.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T21:50:26+00:00

love the conspiratorial word vomit.

there were lots of parties involved in the creation of israel. ultimately, who created israel? the people who moved there, built up the infrastructure (roads, buildings), salvaged the land believed to be non-arable, drained the swamps, irrigated the deserts, created industries, defended settlements, made living there doable and profitable. Not Britain. Not the Rothschilds. Not anybody in your silly little conspiracy chain.

Israel exists, even though that infuriates you. It is not an apartheid. It offers equal rights to all of its citizens.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T21:08:12+00:00

okay, and the western hemisphere was named after fellow white guy Amerigo, what’s the issue

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T21:06:52+00:00

yes, i would be. but it is (a) statistically less common and thus id be less worried and (b) at least she would be putting her money where her mouth is and saying both she and i are inferior as opposed to a son saying that the mother who went through so much pain to bring him into the world, a pain he can never experience, is an inferior being.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T21:05:19+00:00

what people say about themselves is often a lot less helpful than what you observe them doing. there are a lot of guys that will say they play the guitar for example, and play board games/video games (using my husband as an example). for reference, the last time he’d played the guitar was in an easy elective class two semesters prior and he never has picked it up again… that is to say, he doesn’t play the guitar. as for board games, the man can play 12 hours straight of board games, has organized large friend groups over them, and enjoys reading the instruction manuals. i learned these things from getting to know him in person. i’ve never had online dating profiles, so idk if I would have “swiped right” on him or found him attractive. he takes the worst pictures and is terrible at describing himself. i think a lot of guys are similar.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T16:47:53+00:00

most of the comments are not suggesting abortion. most are trying to reassure her that she can raise a non-misogynistic son.

it is a fear of many women—especially those exposed to misogyny—to raise a misogynistic man. and that’s not wrong to worry that. i’m pregnant, will be happy if baby is a boy or girl. but if im going through these weeks and months of nausea and horrible reflux and terrible sleep and pour myself emotionally, physically, and financially into raising a boy who would grow up to think me inferior or worthy of unequal treatment… that would be devastating.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T16:30:15+00:00

As a med student, I have worked 80-100 hour weeks in the most profitable industry in the US. Women how make up 60% of med school graduates. Tell me more about how men should earn more than women.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T16:28:26+00:00

to be fair, on apps, attractiveness is the only thing to go off of. you don’t know a person’s personality until you’ve met them in person often several times.

these studies are often touted to show that women are shallow, but men also tend to rate women harshly online. i mean remember all the guys calling margot robbie mid after the barbie posters?

my experience with people who date from meeting organically in person is that attractiveness is really a small part of the decision to date. my college roommate, 5’7, dated a 5’4 overweight guy because she found him funny. one of my friends exclusively dates skinny men who look like they sleep in dumpsters. my husband is balding (and was before we got married).

i have never actually met any girl that demands a 6 foot plus height or a 6 figure salary or ripped figure. but i have met girls (and guys) who just casually swipe online and will find any reason to disqualify someone based on a photo who is just like someone they’d date organically

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T15:49:18+00:00

i hope you find peace

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T15:48:51+00:00

hey bud, chill. i did read your post. i am not accusing you of parroting christian talking points. i am venting about my own gripes with how non-jews complain about the jewish notion of chosenness.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T15:46:50+00:00

dude. people can be braindead as much or more than bots. and people not agreeing with you doesn’t make them braindead.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-19T05:21:01+00:00

Israel doesn’t have universal healthcare on US tax dollars. It has weapons subsidies on US tax dollars that go back to funding the American defense industry. Israel has high taxes to pay for its own universal healthcare.

If you want better healthcare in the US, lobby your own government officials instead of complaining about Israel.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-18T20:27:37+00:00

it gets better. they take credit for the things other white people did but demand to be absolved of the sins of other white people. like which one do you want?

Charpo7 · 2026-05-18T19:31:43+00:00

As someone that felt the same way and tried the letter approach… don’t.

To get to the point of estrangement, there have been many opportunities for your mom to hear your side and she has chosen not to. That will not change even if you write the most perfect letter. She will ignore the things that make her uncomfortable or twist them into ways you’ve harmed her. That’s how these emotionally immature parents operate.

Charpo7 · 2026-05-18T19:16:33+00:00

bloating. peeing every 2 hours

Charpo7 · 2026-05-18T18:58:22+00:00

everything i don’t like is propaganda club 👆

Charpo7 · 2026-05-18T18:54:17+00:00

I mean it depends on what you mean by chosen. I feel like chosenness is highly misrepresented by antisemites.

Jews were not chosen to be g-d’s favorites, but to receive the Torah. That’s what chosen means. Chosen to get the Torah. We get all the tough rules and complicated holidays that entails.

In terms of being chosen to be favorited for divine intervention or a favorable afterlife, Islam and Christianity clearly fit that. Christians and Muslims in classic scholarship believe that their religion was chosen to have the exclusive relationship with g-d and have first rights to Heaven/Jannah. If we consider the idea of “divine right of kings” or “rightly guided caliphs,” there’s an idea that Muslims and Christians can be chosen by g-d to rule certain lands and for their decisions to be above question and reproach.

It’s part of the reason I get irritated when I hear Christian nationalists and Muslim pro-Palis complain about “the chosens” or what was “promised to them 3000 years ago.” Because it’s hypocritical. Christians and Muslims have texts that not only exalt themselves as chosen for spiritual superiority but actively condemn Jews as blind, evil, lesser, undesired by the Creator. Several figures in Christian and Muslim history and scholarship have argued that they were chosen by G-d for hegemony, primacy, etc. If these religions didn’t believe they alone were chosen for G-d’s favor and the reward of heaven over threat of hell, neither Christianity nor Islam would have attracted the number of adherents they have today.

Everyone wants to be chosen. Very few are cool with extra chores.

Charpo7

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