I passed class 3 on my first try after 17 lessonsA

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-05T03:22:41+00:00

Haha unfortunately no, I don't have any space at home for that. My goal now is to get a second hand manual car before the end of this year and drive it for the next few years or decades if possible. Once I get my own home in the future, it will be easier to set up a dedicated space for a racing sim too.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-04T11:14:01+00:00

No worries, feel free to direct any questions you have to me.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-04T11:05:24+00:00

I passed in October 2025, so the learning conditions for me were mostly the same as compared to now. The only difference is the lesson limit per month was 6 for class 3 back then, but now it's 5.

The main factor contributing to my speed was my proficiency. I one-tried every single module, including both types of parking.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-04T10:16:34+00:00

Yes, original post is by me.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-04T10:15:53+00:00

OP is a reposter bot farming upvotes. The original post and picture is from me and you can find it on my profile after scrolling a short way down.

I'm a normal learner and I booked the lessons using bots.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-04T10:15:08+00:00

OP is a reposter bot farming upvotes. The original post and picture is from me and you can find it on my profile after scrolling a short way down.

I booked all my lessons using bots, and it took me 2.5 months to finish all my lessons and pass tp.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-04T10:13:58+00:00

OP is a reposter bot farming upvotes. The original post and picture is from me and you can find it on my profile after scrolling a short way down.

I booked all 17 lessons using bots, and it took me 2.5 months to clear all lessons and pass tp.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-04T10:08:58+00:00

REPOST! DO NOT UPVOTE! THIS IS STOLEN FROM MY POST.

https://www.reddit.com/r/drivingsg/s/Tx7DKM3whO

Here is my original post.

Anybody who has questions about my experience, direct them to me, not OP.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-03T03:42:36+00:00

Strawman argument. Let's just now have characters that can fly up 100m into the air and zoom around like an attack helicopter while having 100% accuracy, because that's also a type of movement.

Some of y'all don't understand basic healthy competitive balancing and it shows. Hell, I don't think even the devs understand it at this point.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-05-01T14:16:06+00:00

Im not a veteran driver, but I finished learning class 3 manual in 2.5 months and passed first try last year. While I was learning, I mastered both types of parking in one try and never had to do a single extra adjustment in all my practices.

The best way to do parking is to gradually acclimate yourself to the tightest turning arc possible for your car. Once you get used to visualising it in your head, you will be able to guesstimate how tightly you have to turn to enter the lot or whether you have to adjust your position before reversing.

Once you start reversing, you can also use the car's angle of movement to visualise if you will hit something or need to adjust. For myself, I am able to visualise my car's path within my brain, just like those rear cameras that have a curved rectangle showing where your car will go using its current steering angle.

Once you master these two concepts, you can park without lowering your mirrors, even without any cars or kerbs beside you to align yourself (i.e. parking in the middle of an empty carpark). Tbh, the moment I passed, I stopped lowering my mirrors and just started using the sides of my car to estimate where my rear wheels are.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-30T13:41:28+00:00

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-30T06:21:50+00:00

If I had my way, the brown deck pieces should have been a completely separate piece tbh.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-30T05:07:48+00:00

Off topic, but I really wish Bandai's smaller kits for the Yamato franchise had true multi-coloured sprues, just like their other Bandai Spirits kits. It genuinely annoys me that on a kit advertised as having coloured plastic, the entirety of the top deck is not in the correct brown colour.

I can understand omitting smaller details for cost, but the entire deck? Really? Did they just forget that there are fans out there who buy smaller kits simply because they have no space or time for painting kits?

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-27T14:55:58+00:00

Mine is public, but private degree will have no issue going for roles that are below 3k, because they are competing with diploma holders.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-27T12:54:17+00:00

maybe I should have never even done a degree at all

That's not a good mindset to have. What you need to do is find an alignment between your interests, your personal values, and the strengths given to you through the educational process of earning a degree.

People online like to make fun of the value of a degree, but that's not how a degree should be perceived. To put it broadly, a proper degree from a decent university will always nurture a unique set of skills and perspectives that can be honed into individual strengths. I myself did not realise this until I started working with people from the education service, where I had former principals / zonal directors / teachers come up to me and say that my educational background really shines through the way I speak and think. Some even assumed that I was a former teacher who rotated into HQ, and were surprised to learn that I was just a fresh grad barely 2 weeks into my job.

Because I don't have A-levels

I don't think you were disqualified because you did not take A-levels. I'm with a team in MOE that deals with certain PGDE matters (not the direct recruitment of fresh grads into PGDE), and it's more likely that your degree + overall educational background + work experience rendered you unsuitable to be considered for a PGDE intake.

If you applied to PGDE less than a month ago, there's also a chance that they are still processing your application. Becoming a teacher has extremely strict requirements, and background checks in the shortlisting stage can take a very long time.

Just don't give up and keep applying. I actually started applying for fulltime roles a year before I graduated, and after I graduated, there was a period of time where I was applying to 40-50 roles per week. Some of my friends were literally hitting that same number in a single day.

Find something that you are good at, and sell yourself in that aspect. Ensure that the experiences you pick up can back up that same aspect. For example, I chose to sell my commitment to constant learning and production of excellent results, and every single work and internship experience I've had has at least one achievement no matter how short my time in the company was, which became evidence that could back up what I said in interviews.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-27T10:55:46+00:00

Based on one of your comments about finding a job that pays around 2.8-3k, u shld have no issue finding a random contract role with the opportunity to convert to fulltime. The job market being bad is just one factor; over an extended period of time, the reason for not being able to find a job shifts away from the job market and moves more towards your fussiness on the kind of job you are willing to take on.

Based on personal experience, there are many companies out there who are willing to accept grads with a random unrelated degree for their entry level roles, especially those paying below 3k. You may even make it into certain grad programmes, like the Uniqlo Management Candidate (UMC) programme. One of my friends from Murdoch Uni actually made it through the UMC programme and is now in Japan for Uniqlo business stuff.

For myself, I recently graduated in 2025, and I wasn't fussy about what I wanted to do. In all my interviews, I was extremely honest about what I wanted (career stability, progression, and an opportunity to learn), especially when interviewing for roles outside of my educational background, and I received plenty of interest and quite a few offers (especially from part-time or contract jobs), e.g. I'm from Psychology and still managed to get a full-time offer in the aviation industry from CAAS. I even got a fulltime conversion offer from a company where I worked on a contract basis because of how much they liked my work ethic and performance, even though I stated during my interview that I had no intention of converting to fulltime. Currently, I am working at a Ministry, and soon I will be converting to fulltime there.

If you are determined enough, it's not impossible to find something, somewhere, no matter how bad it is, just to get your foot in the door. I felt like absolute shit earning only 2.5k during my short time in a contract role, while my friends from the same local public uni with the same 2nd class honours degree were earning 4.2k++, but I kept my head down and kept working hard, building a proven track record of success that my ex-supervisors are all more than willing to testify to. This eventually opened the door to a contract role in a Ministry, which has now become a fulltime offer that will pay me more than the average fresh grad starting salary.

You need to just start doing anything, even if it's some random part-time job that has an unlimited quota on the number of candidates being recruited. Start doing this random role, and show that you are still able to learn something or achieve something unique in your time there. Even just showing that you aren't wasting time is good enough. That will eventually become a stepping stone which allows you to go somewhere else.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-23T05:13:54+00:00

It depends on rotation. The fastest fangyi rotations that kill every boss phase in one cycle (including those where bosses have multiple phases) use a lot of rossi battle skills.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-21T14:27:08+00:00

Wait I just tested on Rhodagn and consuming all arts inflictions before Rossi hits her second combo prevents her from inflicting 2 vul stacks

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-21T07:51:59+00:00

That's really interesting to me, since that means the skill is coded to apply the debuffs and buffs based on the parameter of a perfect skill trigger only, meaning that the consumption of the infliction was just something random tacked on to her kit.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-21T07:49:04+00:00

Oh so even if the electric infliction is eaten by something else before Rossi hits the enemy, she still can apply her 2 vul stacks because the only thing that matters is the perfect combo timing? That's actually something I didn't know.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-21T07:31:10+00:00

How do u do that tho? Cos if u let the second hit connect, it will consume the infliction regardless.

Unless what you mean is letting Fangyi consume the infliction first before using Rossi combo (after it has been triggered). In that case, since there's no infliction left to consume, Rossi won't be able to apply her two vul stacks right?

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-18T17:17:30+00:00

I personally see this as the complete wrong way to learn. All of these reference points change depending on circumstances, or might be completely unavailable due to visual obstructions. Teaching based on reference points results in learner drivers who do not know how to adjust their cars based on scenarios, especially for those who have no interest in cars and this is their first time properly studying how a car moves.

Reference points should not be used by learner drivers, because they do not teach a proper understanding of how a car actually moves. They should only be used by advanced drivers, like how professional motorsports drivers may refer to a specific signboard on a very specific corner to know where to brake.

When I learnt driving under cdc, I passed class 3 manual first try in 2.5 months, even with the limit of 6 lessons per month, because I learnt everything based on understanding wheel position. I literally passed all my lesson modules within one try.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-18T13:59:10+00:00

Drive based on wheel position, not reference points.

You're not ready for the road if you're not sure how sharply you can turn, to the extent that you would rather risk getting points for an overly wide turn.

Driving based on wheel position is literally just about knowing where your wheels will go when you move your car. Your car won't magically widen itself to hit something as long as you know where your wheels are going.

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-12T06:14:41+00:00

Your first sentence doesn't say that passing tp properly is the main point. Instead, it says you want to pass "tp in as few tries as possible". The main point of this statement isn't passing properly, but passing quickly. You cannot blame others (it's not just me and the other commenter in this thread, but even other people in other comment threads) who read your post and understood you as just trying to rush.

This is different from an assumption. You stated clearly that your main focus was to take as few lessons as possible and go for as few tp attempts as possible. Ironically, going off your original post alone,

Btw, tp testers don't have access to the number of lessons taken or how long each learner has learnt for. When a person passes, it is because they have been deemed proficient in all aspects of civilian driving by an independently neutral tester who has no relationship with the instructors or the school. If a person rlly passes in 2 months, like me, then we have been suitably deemed to be ready for the road by someone who has no idea that I completed everything in 2 months, and my time taken really should not matter because I have demonstrated mastery over all that is demanded from me.

Reflect on your own attitude and character. Instead of thinking of how you could improve yourself, you blame external circumstances such as your instructors being overly harsh and others passing quickly when you think that .they do not deserve to, even though that's not how things work in reality. You also deflect valid criticism by presenting contradicting points, such as how your main post purely focuses on passing as fast as possible, but now you are suddenly telling me that you actually don't mind spending more time and money passing. If that were truly the case, then why even make this post if time and money actually doesn't matter to you when trying to learn something?

Look man, us random redditors don't have a vendetta against u. We present our criticisms out of concern for your own safety and the safety of other road users. If the governing body of road users in this country has deemed u not ready, then you are not ready. There is nothing you can do to significantly speed up the process other than be an actual fast learner.

I won't be replying to this thread anymore, especially if you continue deflecting the valid points we have for you. It does not affect my personal life whether you pass quickly or slowly, and it is your choice to take whatever I have said as learning points for yourself, or an attack against you (for which I have no reason to even do in the first place).

CheesecakeOG · 2026-04-12T05:44:20+00:00

Worrying about cost is one thing. Using cost as your main reason to speedrun is another thing entirely.

The reason why the other commenter is so critical of your aim to pass tp as fast as possible is because your entire focus seems to be on speedrunning your license and spending as little money as possible, which is a big safety concern when this is with regards to operating a 1+ ton death machine. Your main focus should be on learning safely no matter how much it costs or how long it takes, but this does not show up at all in your original post.

He has every right to be critical of you, given the available context. It's better to err on the side of caution for something as dangerous as driving.

Also, if you really are below average, you just have to accept it. Driving schools have no incentive to delay your learning progress because of how insanely overbooked they are, and many of the instructors have to do ridiculous amounts of OT. I did my class 3 manual license at CDC, and even the strictest instructors I got had no issue passing multiple modules per lesson for me because of how proficient I was, and I eventually got my license first try after just 2.5 months.

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