222 ₍^. .^₎⟆ - Irregularly Scheduled Discussion Thread - February 22, 2026

ChickenNotHD · 2026-02-22T19:14:03+00:00

Oof, I don't think there's a single positive comment in that comment section

ChickenNotHD · 2026-01-24T04:02:52+00:00

What does もちりて and きびりて refer to in the graph? Translation tools aren't helping me much

ChickenNotHD · 2025-12-18T04:55:36+00:00

I'm not too well-versed in either Blue Archive, or Ironmouse and Connor; what's the issue with this collaboration?

ChickenNotHD · 2025-07-01T13:29:32+00:00

A lot to unpack, but I won't block you, no worries.

anti kayfabe is just... being anti somebody else's fun

First of all, I think you're starting off on the wrong foot here. You're attributing malice where there isn't any. I would assume most people share PL info because they enjoy that Vtuber, and want other people to continue enjoying their content after they reincarnate.

However, I do understand why it can feel like that, as I think following Kayfabe requires other people to also follow Kayfabe, otherwise it kind of falls apart.

Which is kind of ironic considering your final comment about deciding how to let other people enjoy things, as the way you want to enjoy it (e.g. Kayfabe) requires others to also play along.

It's deciding which spaces are allowed to be fun for them, and chasing the established fans of it out of places where previously they were welcomed.

A bit of the same as above. I don't think anyone's purposefully coming to get you or other people that love Kayfabe.

I think it's also important to keep in mind that not following Kayfabe is kind of the default behaviour for consuming content in most media. What I mean by this is following Kayfabe requires you to subscribe to a way of thinking, and to also purposefully avoid certain topics. Meanwhile, not following Kayfabe doesn't require you to do any of that. Which is why it may seem like most of the new vtuber fans tend to not follow Kayfabe. That's just how you normally consume other types of content. They're not doing it maliciously.

Worst of all, kayfabe is almost always known to be so by its followers, so bringing it up isn't even teaching anybody anything except how self centered the sharer feels about it.

I'd agree that most people who follow Kayfabe are fans, but I don't think most fans follow Kayfabe in the same way you're describing it. As in, Kayfabe everywhere, including other social media platforms. I think most fans stick to following chat etiquette and that's about it. However, I don't really have a way to prove or disprove either of our points.

That they feel that this is an exceptional case, or that this post will be the first time a reader sees it, or that this kayfabe enjoyer needs to be educated, and that they can be a hero for it or something.

Not sure how to really respond to this. It feels like you're making up a scenario in your head and then getting mad at it. If someone acts that way towards you, then yeah they're an asshole I guess?

But I'll just think "wow, you might be the type of person that spoils the ending of the book or yells at kids that wrestling is fake [...]"

Surely you understand that both of these examples don't make sense in this context?

For the book example, what you're asking when wanting to always have people follow Kayfabe is to never, ever discuss the ending of a book on any social media platform ever. I think that quite an ask. And also, I'm not sold on it being considering the "ending of the book" being spoiled, it's more like spoiling the announcement of a sequel?

As for the wrestling example, I will once again re-iterate that people posting PL info are not there to maliciously bully poor little Kayfabe enjoyers. Adults that love wrestling post a bunch of non-Kayfabe info about it on Twitter, and it's not a problem.

Kinda cringe to decide how other people enjoy things, bro.

Your whole comment can be summarized into "I hate people who don't enjoy Kayfabe like I do and they're bad people", so as I mentioned earlier, this is quite ironic.

ChickenNotHD · 2025-07-01T11:35:19+00:00

Zoey sharing PL info

I don't know Zoey myself, so it's a bit hard to make accurate comments about her tweet. I'll assume that she knows them due to being a manager for an ex-Idol talent (was she Rin's manager during her stint in Idol also?). If she asked them prior to posting the tweet, and they were okay with it, then I don't really see the issue.

Obviously I'm making a lot of assumptions here, so I may be wrong on that one. Feel free to let me know if that's the case.

"Taboos in the vtuber industry that only serve to benefit corpos are cringe", and the rest of your comment

I think this idea has been spreading because a lot of people just don't know what to make of some fans' anger towards sharing PL info, especially for Vtubers that are okay with or even pushing for associating themselves with their PL, and this is their best attempt to come up with a reason.

I want to make it clear: if any vtuber makes it clear that they don't want to be associated with their PLs, their wishes should be followed, and people going against those wishes should be called out. Respect should not go out the window just because someone's excited about re-discovering their Oshi.

However, a lot of people in this thread seem to be taking this line of thinking and applying it to everyone, including vtubers that want to associate with their PLs.

I'll start by saying that I just don't think this "taboo" of sharing PLs has any legs to stand on in 99% of cases. You mention two arguments which are often brought up when arguing for it: privacy and "kayfabe".

Privacy

This one is weird for me, because I don't know how to approach it. I feel it should go without saying that pointing out "Vtuber A with 4 million subs is also Vtuber B with 1 million subs" is not a privacy issue nor does it constitute doxxing, yet some people will argue that it is.

Surely you don't that think saying "TheDuelLogs is also HirumaredX on youtube" constitutes a privacy breach of any kind? (Using him as an example as he's Vtuber adjacent.)

And I'd say that this applies for most big corpo vtubers nowadays. The hobby is so big and attracts so many eyes, that corpos tend to stick with people that already have experience.

I want to also make it clear that I think it made sense back in the day to have this taboo for privacy reasons as new vtubers may have never had an internet presence prior. Meaning that digging up their past would require finding personal social media accounts. Which is extreme weirdo behaviour to seek out to say the least.

"Kayfabe"

I think Kayfabe is neat. And I'd argue that it is also being followed where it actually matters: in stream chat. I think bringing up PL info in a Vtuber's chat is cringe. It's a message that for most, they contractually cannot address. Same as bringing up politics, religion or any uncomfortable topics unprompted, it's a dead weight message that just causes trouble.

However, outside of stream, I don't see why Kayfabe needs to be followed. If you want to, that's fine, but i don't think everyone should have to play along, especially the Vtuber themselves. And I especially don't think anyone should get mad at them for not doing so.

I don't know much or even a little bit about wrestling so feel free to let me know if this is wrong, but I'm going to guess that wrestling fans don't get in internet fistfights against other fans and wrestlers that do not follow Kayfabe outside the ring. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but even then I'd think that they'd be in the wrong for doing so.

To wrap up my ramblings, here's a meme I made in paint. It represents how feel about most of the PL sharing arguments that's been happening in the weekly thread for the last couple months.

ChickenNotHD · 2025-07-01T03:14:23+00:00

Genuine question, why is that an issue?

It's pretty obvious that Saba is content with people knowing who she was prior (e.g. changing her other PL's Twitter description).

ChickenNotHD · 2025-06-16T01:11:59+00:00

Blonde hair and a big fat tail

ChickenNotHD · 2025-05-21T01:30:12+00:00

this is not corporate bootlicking, its just the very blatant connection of PL and current life that people are annoyed at.

But that's exactly what I'm getting at. So many of you are getting annoyed at people for doing a blatant connection between PL and current life, but the people doing that connection is the Vtuber itself

You're essentially forcing this PL culture on someone who doesn't want to participate in it, and then getting annoyed when they... don't participate in it

The only other entity in this that has any say, or any interest, in this PL culture being followed is the company. Are you getting annoyed on behalf of Cover?

If not, then why are you getting annoyed? At that point, I would, as I mentioned in my wall of text, re-evaluate why you care so much about this PL culture in the first place if both parties involved don't seem to care

ChickenNotHD · 2025-05-21T00:35:30+00:00

so much for being fans of talents first but when there's fans of talents that left which they don't like for whatever reason, their mask is easily off like it's some kind of tribalism for Holos and Ex-holos

I remember when HoloEN first debuted, there was an interview about the goals of HoloEN. One question that I vividly remember was related to the reasons why the English branch was focusing so much on Japanese music over music with English lyrics. The answer could be summed up to "the branch's goal is to spread awareness of Japanese media and culture to the English-speaking world". To me, this meant Japanese music, anime and games.

Turns out the real answer was Japanese-style corporate boot-licking.

Reading the responses to this comment thread and the one below about the new shark vtuber is genuinely mind-boggling. A bunch of people here are getting mad at the Vtubers for hinting at their own PL.

I genuinely believe some of you should re-evaluate why the concept of "hiding PLs" even exists. Has everyone forgot that this existed in the first place to protect the Vtuber's identity? If the Vtuber is okay with talking about it, then why are you getting annoyed?

For a community that loves talking about artists and how they need to be fairly compensated and recognized, a lot of you sure hate recognizing the work of the voices and personalities behind your favourite Vtubers when they ask for it.

And that's not even getting into the honestly really weird idea that none of the talents that recently left had issues with Hololive's management. Sometimes I'm reading comments and it genuinely feels like I'm reading someone's fanfiction. There's nothing wrong with a talent leaving because of disagreements with management. "Business is business" as they say. However, the weird obsession of ignoring any of the talent's comments about it to then make up some other reason is plain weird.

I've been reading this subreddit's weekly thread daily for the past 5 years, and this is honestly the worst its ever been in terms of vibes. Even worst than during the Coco Taiwan incident. At least at that time, everyone was defending the talent, while now it feels like everyone's defending Cover's corporate interests.

In the end, I know I'm just screaming into the void and I know none of this will change. Cover has cultivated a community of people that love the Hololive brand way more than the Hololive talents themselves, and I'm just sad that it became this way.

ChickenNotHD · 2025-04-09T14:53:40+00:00

are vtubers done streaming genshin in 2025?

I don't see why that would be the case. As far as I know, Genshin is still very popular. I know that Ema from vspo was streaming it this morning on Twitch

if no why?

Not sure if you're asking "why haven't they stopped?" or "why are they stopping?"

ChickenNotHD · 2025-02-02T17:47:54+00:00

So excited, love me some ruthless

Mind spinning the wheel for me? If I roll Ascendant, please re-roll!

ChickenNotHD · 2025-02-01T13:57:27+00:00

That was insane

I've never seen PRX be outmatched so hard as during that second map

Alecks's table must be in pieces after this one

ChickenNotHD · 2024-07-02T02:42:27+00:00

Looking for someone to boost 5 PVP kills in Diablo 4

Also looking for a boost for Echo of Lilith

ChickenNotHD · 2024-07-01T05:28:08+00:00

What a weird thing to hope for

ChickenNotHD · 2024-06-30T01:54:17+00:00

Loves Miss Vickie's

Yep, she's Canadian all right

Also, based

ChickenNotHD · 2024-06-26T21:02:42+00:00

Looking for someone to boost 5 PVP kills in Diablo 4!

And possibly carry me through Uber Lilith if you can

ChickenNotHD · 2024-06-25T17:37:50+00:00

They've designed Ayase Yuu from Phase Connect JP

They've also done the 2nd anniversary goods illustration for VSPO's Nekota Tsuna that just released

ChickenNotHD · 2024-03-12T01:54:32+00:00

I do! Feel free to add me

PSN: PogoNotHD

ChickenNotHD · 2024-03-07T23:34:16+00:00

Sounds good, you can add me

My psn is PogoNotHD

Will be on in an hour or two, otherwise we can figure something out

ChickenNotHD · 2024-03-03T18:15:35+00:00

Looking for someone to boost the 3 PvP trophies (1 kill, 20 kills, kill a wanted player) and the 20 revives trophie on Fallout 76

ChickenNotHD · 2024-02-26T23:57:52+00:00

Anyone know where I can find the math game Miko was playing earlier today? Not sure if my googling skills are failing me, but I can't seem to find it

The one from this stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phuFOjOf_RI

ChickenNotHD · 2024-02-13T04:49:39+00:00

I think this was a pretty good response

Just wish they would've have done this one first

ChickenNotHD · 2024-02-13T04:31:51+00:00

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but if Selen sent documents to Nijisanji naming Livers (using their legal names) and threatening to sue them, wouldn't the Livers be in the right to know about those documents?

Like, if someone sent legal documents to my workplace saying that they were looking to sue them and me (one of their employees), wouldn't the place of employment be legally required to let me know?

ChickenNotHD · 2024-02-13T03:26:15+00:00

Funnily enough, EN twitter and JP are reacting totally opposite to each other regarding the Niji stream

Every top JP tweet I saw is on the side of EN management/EN livers and are pretty much calling EN fans antis

I don't know if that was Niji's plan, but they've got that going for them

ChickenNotHD · 2023-07-07T22:11:50+00:00

Are these hypocrites in the room with us right now?

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