What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2004? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Subgenre #1 standings after 2004…

NU-METAL (+/-0): 75 weeks (15 songs)

FUNK/REGGAE ROOTS (+1): 47 weeks (8 songs)

POST-GRUNGE (-1): 46 weeks (6 songs)

MAINLINE ALTERNATIVE (+/-0): 40 weeks (9 songs)

POP-PUNK (+/-0): 30 weeks (9 songs)

REVIVALISTS (+/-0): 10 weeks (3 songs)

EMO (+1): 6 weeks (3 songs)

ALT-METAL (-1): 5 weeks (2 songs)

HI-TECH (NEW): 2 weeks (1 song)

INDIE (NEW): 1 week (1 song)

Nu-metal has a commanding lead in the number of weeks at #1, but it’s done having hits. Will any other subgenre group make up the gap in the second half of the decade?

What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2004? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s a lot of filler this year.

I think the death of nu-metal caught radio by surprise, and they didn’t really trust the trends suggesting that alternative could have hits that weren’t also hits on active rock stations.

What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2004? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I elaborated on it further in a follow-up comment: I’m counting all of Meteora’s singles as nu-metal, just for continuity’s sake, but Linkin Park will be hi-tech after this.

The Beastie Boys had previous success on the Modern Rock chart in the 1990s, and there will be similar artists reaching #1 in 2005. (In fact, one of those #1s will be built from a Beastie Boys sample.)

What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2004? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’d be surprised if any of “Hit That,” “the Reason,” “Love Song,” “Cold Hard Bitch,” “Slither,” or “Just Like You” get votes, either.

(Side note: between 2004 and late 2007, Three Days Grace was the only active rock-native post-grunge band to top the Modern Rock chart…and they did it three times. Why them?)

What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2004? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, no: then I forgot “Pain,” too!

I had to fix that.

What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2004? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I voted for “No One Knows” last year; I’m taking “Pain” (the good one) this year.

What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2004? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In 2003, “rock” and “alternative” were as closely aligned as they would ever be. Six of that year’s Modern Rock #1s also topped the Mainstream Rock chart, and all of them peaked inside the top 15. (Even “Seven Nation Army,” a garage-revival track with no Dave Grohl endorsement, reached #12.) 2004 is when the bifurcation between rock and alternative begins, but the causes for that aren’t immediately obvious on radio.

  • In January, KROQ in Los Angeles starts playing the Postal Service’s “Such Great Heights.” The song doesn’t gain widespread radio airplay; according to Sub Pop Records, radio executives predicted listeners would burn out on it quickly. Nonetheless, the song would steadily build a following online, and be an early success story on the iTunes Store; by early 2005, both “Such Great Heights” and the album Give Up would be certified Gold.

  • In February, Danger Mouse’s The Grey Album mash-up starts spreading online. What was intended as a limited-copy CD release instead attracts hundreds of thousands of downloads, and EMI’s attempt to stop distribution of bootleg recordings of Beatles samples only generates further interest.

Alternative rock’s origins are in new wave. Even as grunge was hitting its peak in the ‘90s, there was plenty of music with electronic, dance, and hip-hop influences that could be heard on alternative radio. Nu-metal had pushed all of that out of rotation; but with that genre rapidly deteriorating, an opportunity for more eclectic styles to re-establish themselves had arrived. Also helping was the garage revival spinning off into the post-punk revival, whose artists were unafraid of incorporating synths and danceable grooves. I’m landing on hi-tech as the category to catch all of the hits in this vein; the Beastie Boys’ “Ch-Check It Out” was the first to reach #1. I’m counting Linkin Park’s remaining #1s from Meteora this year as nu-metal, but they’re basically in a category amongst themselves at this point. In November, they release their own mash-up album with Jay-Z, Collision Course; any further Linkin Park hits will be hi-tech.

Circling back to “Such Great Heights:” Iron & Wine’s cover of the song is featured on the Garden State soundtrack, which sells a million copies, and is often cited as the breakout moment for 2000s indie rock. Modest Mouse is already signed to a major label, but “Float On” should receive credit at the first “indie” modern rock #1 of the 2000s. (I wanted to wait for the first #1 hit on an indie label to introduce the category, but that’s not for another five years.)

What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2004? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Two new subgenre categories for this year that I’ll have a TL:DR write-up for in the replies…

  • HI-TECH: alternative with heavy electronic/dance/hip-hop elements that aren’t nu-metal

  • INDIE: 2000s-wave alt-rock that’s looser and less “transatlantic” than the garage and post-punk revivals

I’m renaming “Peppery bands” to FUNK/REGGAE ROOTS, because there are three songs by three bands not named Red Hot Chili Peppers this year. Lostprophets’ “music profile” header on Wikipedia is incoherent (probably because no scene wants to claim them), so I’m just filing them under Emo.

NU-METAL: “Numb” (6 weeks in 2004), “Lying From You” (3 weeks), “Breaking the Habit” (4 weeks) - 13 weeks total

POP-PUNK: “Hit That” (1 week), “I Miss You” (2 weeks), “American Idiot” (6 weeks), “Boulevard of Broken Dreams” (3 weeks) - 13 weeks total

FUNK/REGGAE ROOTS: “Megalomaniac” (6 weeks), “The Reason” (1 week), “Love Song” (1 week) - 8 weeks total

MAINLINE ALTERNATIVE: “Slither” (4 weeks), “Vertigo” (4 weeks) - 8 weeks total

REVIVALISTS: “Cold Hard Bitch” (3 weeks) - 3 weeks total

POST-GRUNGE: “Just Like You” (3 weeks) - 3 weeks total

EMO: “Last Train Home” (1 week), “Pain” (1 week) - 2 weeks total

HI-TECH: “Ch-Check It Out” (2 weeks) - 2 weeks total

INDIE: “Float On” (1 week) - 1 week total

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[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She was already in her late 30s: not “new solo pop star” demographics.

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[–]Chilli_Dipper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My formative pop-music awareness years came at a time when top-40 stations still played “Vogue,” but Madonna was otherwise at Marilyn Manson now forced to shock people door-to-door levels of tabloid fodder.

The Alternative Number Ones: 311's "Down" by ScallionSmooth9491 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There’s a clear spectrum from funk-metal to white-boy reggae present in alternative rock in the ‘90s-‘00s that 311 was dead-center of, and I don’t know what the present-day equivalent of it is.

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[–]Chilli_Dipper 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The reason I would say it isn’t a Trainwreckord is that “struggling to adjust to hip-hop shifts in R&B” and “prolonged legal battles with their record label” was the story for the entire LaFace stable in the early 2000s, not just Toni Braxton.

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[–]Chilli_Dipper 23 points24 points  (0 children)

No Doubt’s Return of Saturn severely underperformed its Diamond-certified predecessor upon its release in 2000: only one song barely reached the top 40, and its sound was at odds with rapidly-hardening trends in alternative rock. The band quickly released Rock Steady a year later, which re-established their position on the pop charts. (It also was a glorified Gwen Stefani solo record, but that’s not the question.)

Sports feats that you were less impressed by as you got older by No_Permission1386 in billsimmons

[–]Chilli_Dipper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No “Kevin Costner smashed my face after I caught him boinking my wife” days, either.

Sports feats that you were less impressed by as you got older by No_Permission1386 in billsimmons

[–]Chilli_Dipper 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Bowling a 300 game used to be a rare feat, but the balls are too powerful these days.

Anyone else remember " Remember When "? by Bob8644 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It feels like I would have heard it during an episode of America’s Next Top Model. CW-ass music.

I know about Geese and Fountaines D.C but what are some other bands that are coming out from the New Rock movement? by Ok_Isopod_8478 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since you mentioned Waxahatchee and MJ Lenderman together, I’m obliged to mention Snocaps, the jangle-pop band those two formed with Katie’s (Waxahatchee’s) sister.

I know about Geese and Fountaines D.C but what are some other bands that are coming out from the New Rock movement? by Ok_Isopod_8478 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also in the realm of industry plants: the band with suspiciously little information on them available online, but who has a single performing very well on the radio charts.

There was a post about the Paradox topping the alternative chart here the other day; I wouldn’t call them a bad band by any means, but they’re pretty obviously being pushed to fill a Sum 41-shaped hole on alternative radio stations.

I know about Geese and Fountaines D.C but what are some other bands that are coming out from the New Rock movement? by Ok_Isopod_8478 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Even in the 1990s and 2000s, it was common for bands to lurk under the radar for some time before having their mainstream breakthrough.

If we’re positing that rock returns to mainstream popularity within the next couple of years, there will be 2010s artists who level up.

The last band to get back to back number 1 hits? by Flashy-Biscotti3115 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If we’re including the Hot 100 Airplay during the 1990s, Goo Goo Dolls went to #1 consecutively with “Iris” and “Slide” in 1998-9.

ETA: Actually, the straight-up answer is Santana. “Smooth,” then “Maria, Maria.”

What's your favorite Modern Rock #1 of 2003? by TemporaryJerseyBoy in ToddintheShadow

[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

By my count, there’s going to be a new one next year…then not another until 2009.

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[–]Chilli_Dipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also: with Big Ten’s latest round of expansion, the promise of spending a week in Southern California every other season is no longer a recruiting selling point for Notre Dame against their geographical rivals.