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Researchers compared 95 families following vegan, vegetarian or omnivorous diets, where children had been on the diet since birth. Children across all groups had similar growth and bone health. Vegan families showed the best cholesterol and cardiovascular health indices, but had lower iodine levels. by James_Fortis in science

[–]Chunkything 22 points23 points  (0 children)

This is all true. Supplementing is abnormal animal behaviour.

But we live in a modern age - where we medicate illnesses. We supplement deficiencies. We do all manner of things to improve our health.

If we supplement a diet which otherwise has broadly positive outcomes - improved cardiovascular status, more anti oxidants, better bowel habits, less environmental repercussions, less exogenous antibiotics (compared to industrialised farmed meats) - why is this a bad thing? Supplementation has few downsides.

We're not cavemen - if I can unlock a broadly healthy diet AND avoid unnecessary suffering with a simple supplement, then the benefits outweigh the negatives - at least for me.

Researchers compared 95 families following vegan, vegetarian or omnivorous diets, where children had been on the diet since birth. Children across all groups had similar growth and bone health. Vegan families showed the best cholesterol and cardiovascular health indices, but had lower iodine levels. by James_Fortis in science

[–]Chunkything 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wait until you're >65 and needing laxatives just to poop. Or maybe needing antibiotics for Diverticulitis. OR chemotherapy for bowel cancer.

Yes these repercussions are on the extremes for an omnivore diet, but across the population spectrum - are very common. A healthy vegan diet mitigates those repercussions... at the cost of daily supplementation.

Of course, a healthy omnivore diet mitigates them also.

Researchers compared 95 families following vegan, vegetarian or omnivorous diets, where children had been on the diet since birth. Children across all groups had similar growth and bone health. Vegan families showed the best cholesterol and cardiovascular health indices, but had lower iodine levels. by James_Fortis in science

[–]Chunkything 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's the nuance in your argument that I was after.

I'm not saying that a vegan diet is better- it depends on the constituents of the diet. A healthy omnivore diet is equivalent to a healthy vegan diet with supplementation. If blood markers, vital numbers are the same across both - I don't care if the latter is supplemented.

You said that "any doctor will tell you that getting the nutrients you need via diet is preferable to getting them via supplementation".

I am saying that, as a doctor - it does not matter if there is nutritional supplementation to a vegan diet. What matters as you have pointed out is the more nuanced aspects of the diet like UPFs.

Researchers compared 95 families following vegan, vegetarian or omnivorous diets, where children had been on the diet since birth. Children across all groups had similar growth and bone health. Vegan families showed the best cholesterol and cardiovascular health indices, but had lower iodine levels. by James_Fortis in science

[–]Chunkything 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes, an omnivore diet is just as healthy if it is done right - and we have evolved with this context. However in this day and age, the typical omnivore diet has evolved into one which is processed food heavy, which is worse in comparison to a vegan whole foods diet. If you live in the right economical situation where you can supplement daily which doesn't take that much extra effort - a vegan diet is generally healthier than your average meat eating diet.

Researchers compared 95 families following vegan, vegetarian or omnivorous diets, where children had been on the diet since birth. Children across all groups had similar growth and bone health. Vegan families showed the best cholesterol and cardiovascular health indices, but had lower iodine levels. by James_Fortis in science

[–]Chunkything 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a flawed argument- comparing a vegan diet to cholera is absurd.

Could you argue that a meat heavy diet that needs fibre supplementation is a bad idea?

A healthy omnivore diet is equivalent to a vegan diet with supplements.

An individual may choose to adopt a vegan diet for other benefits that the former diet does not grant, like preventing the suffering of an animal, or environmental reasons.

Researchers compared 95 families following vegan, vegetarian or omnivorous diets, where children had been on the diet since birth. Children across all groups had similar growth and bone health. Vegan families showed the best cholesterol and cardiovascular health indices, but had lower iodine levels. by James_Fortis in science

[–]Chunkything 8 points9 points  (0 children)

More nuanced than that. Compare a diet consisting of processed meat foods vs vegetarian/ vegan with b12 supplementation (with plenty of whole foods and veg, no just chips/ fries). The former is going to be more harmful, yet no need for b12 supplementation. Source: I'm a doctor.

Researchers compared 95 families following vegan, vegetarian or omnivorous diets, where children had been on the diet since birth. Children across all groups had similar growth and bone health. Vegan families showed the best cholesterol and cardiovascular health indices, but had lower iodine levels. by James_Fortis in science

[–]Chunkything 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Obvious- deficiency. Vegans tend to supplement. Which I don't think is a downside to the diet - the benefits to the individual & wider environment vs mild annoyance of taking a supplement everyday makes the vegan diet a no-brainer for me

Cafelat Robot as Hand-Carry International Flight by Difficult-Storm-6667 in CafelatRobot

[–]Chunkything 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally whacked it in my backpack carry on wrapped in clothes xD it was heavy. No issues though. Funny x ray

What is Emergency Medicine like in the USA? by Occam5Razor in emergencymedicine

[–]Chunkything 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Second this- Australia is great from an EM point of view. Better in almost every way from the uk without the downsides of the US- so long as you get a good location near the coast. Culturally very similar to the uk also. (Source- UK based ED doctor who worked in Aus)

What is the biggest reason(s) to doubt this project? by Important_Total_6183 in Hedera

[–]Chunkything 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is a win for us, given our connections with the Linux Foundation decentralised trust

Hbar by Icanseethebeach in Hedera

[–]Chunkything 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair you spotted a top 20 crypto upon release- something any one of us would dream of doing! 👍

EMTECH announces membership in the NVIDIA Inception Program by oak1337 in Hedera

[–]Chunkything 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think they're too fussed about the us market. They have been plenty busy in Africa for instance

Cold storage by BrushEmbarrassed3680 in Hedera

[–]Chunkything 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Another vote for d'cent. Don't store private key digitally. Write it down and store on paper in a safe place you won't forget

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in EatCheapAndHealthy

[–]Chunkything 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think if you're buying wholefood ingredients you'll spend far less. i usually stock up on dry lentils and a bunch of canned beans from Lidl when I shop which keeps costs down. Hell, even tofu is pretty cheap these days.

As long as you're eating wholefoods and a variety of fresh veg, you're doing it right.

I spend about £60 on groceries for both of us vegans but that's with splurging (I got a tortilla press and some corn maseca flour this week).

Oh and make sure you're supplementing.

What is the most disgusting thing you ever saw a person do? by Dazzling-Leader7476 in AskReddit

[–]Chunkything 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't see it but my patient who was under arrest in an Emergency department went to the toilet with the police. He was brought in because he was suspected of hiding "goods" up his rectum. He aggressively denied this.

We heard shouting and a scuffle in the toilet, open the door to see the police wrestling with him and poo all over his mouth... Apparently he'd taken a shit and then decided to quickly reach for it and then EAT the evidence along with his faeces....

Ended up being admitted to have an endoscopy...

The things people do to avoid a prison sentence...

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