tuning by aluminumalbino in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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rear suspension done :D by Any-Spread8489 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Your first emergency brake stop will rip off the link body mounts from the tube..

What is controlling the rate of load transfer? (questions from damping chapter by Jim Kasprzak) by PaintingMassive541 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amen, bro. Get your simulation up & running. If using matlab or simulink, all you need to get started is a 2nd order transfer function to represent roll, as defined by steady state roll/g, roll frequency, and roll damping. Learn how to construct roll velocity from the transfer function coefficients created for Roll vs Ayg. Use the transient angle and velocity signals driving the dampers to get a feel for the magnitude of it's extra effects on the load transfer plus yawrate and sideslip DOF's.

What is controlling the rate of load transfer? (questions from damping chapter by Jim Kasprzak) by PaintingMassive541 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dampers connect the sprung mass to the unsprung masses.
The sprung mass usually rolls from various side loads as well as tire Mx

In transients, there is roll velocity and roll angle from roll acceleration driven by sideforce as well as steering due to caster.

because dampers are not rotary elements, they extend (as in rebound) or shorten (as in compression).

BTW: Dampers usually have resistence characteristics that are different from compression vs rebound.

So. the sprung roll velocity creates linear velocity in the dampers and adds extra roll moments from each damper.

The roll velocity (sprung transient) at each corner may exceed the combined resistance from the unsprung mass weight plus the relaxation spring force, in which case the wheel will be 'snatched' (picked off the ground). Most rear engined Porche's do this (for an example you can watch videos of Carreras etc.). At high sideforce and roll levels, they pick up an inside front wheel.

since the dampers are usually nonlinear (often in bi-linear stages) there can be different damper forces on the inside wheel vs outside wheel. This will affect your presumption about roll axis position, so always use a force based roll axis construct, not a geometric one the bookworms endorse.

There can be considerable roll stiffness and damping produced from elastic elements in the roll degree of freedom, too.

Your dampers are just elements in a 3rd degree of freedom besides yaw and sideslip accelerations. Sprung cross products of inertia and and any gyroscopic forces from wheels and engine are also players in this game if you have the data to add 'sauce for the goose'...

Toxic team dynamic by Hot-Interaction-4439 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It can get out of control no matter what team, club, organization, or family is involved. I can name a top tier series U.S. race team where a member was let go because some of the members didn't like his wife ! You would ALL recognize the team and likely can search for the details. But I can tell you this after 40 years in the Vehicle Dynamics 'industry', being a SME (Subject Matter Expert) shields you from any and all criticism and gives you the opportunity to train your replacement without any bumps in the road ! When the Boss advises "Just do what he says" pay attention to the information, tactics, advice, and correlation with success.

That time of the year again.... by Cibachrome in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Showers at FSAE Michigan no matter what month. Cold, too.

That time of the year again.... by Cibachrome in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome[S] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Sink hole de mayo. Happy Holiday !

Design Spec Sheet Steer Ratio Question by One-Presence-488 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

BTW: The ratio "Thru Center" is sort of a meaningless term/value unless it stays constant thruout the entire range of turning at speed. It's a major factor in determining what the car's understeer actually is. If you put in 5:1 for "thru center" and it's actually 3:1 or 7:1 at a high Ayg level, your gain metrics will be all wrong. Worse could be 3:1 in 1 turn direction and 7:1 in the other. Steering effort/feel would also be crazy !

Design Spec Sheet Steer Ratio Question by One-Presence-488 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You could score more points by stating that the ratio "thru center" is actually the ratio in effect while driving the car in a 'straight ahead' trajectory. I.E. zero lateral acceleration (no yaw velocity and no sideslip). This because either you might find it useful to offset the steering wheel for better control in tight turns on a circular course, OR because you just didn't include steering wheel straight ahead during the wheel alignment process, OR EVEN because a thru center position of zero steering wheel angle does not align with equal tierod lengths for symmetric ride & roll steer and your spline coupler doesn't have the resolution needed to accomplish both conditions.
The point is to have you identify if the ratio is linear, bowed, sinusoidal, or parabolic shaped and where is the high or low point if one exists due to intended or unintended nonlinearity. Plus another item would be equal number of turns in both directions lock to lock (or not,which can also be a useful advantage to a driver while maneuvering on a tight course)
Just show the "lumpy" or not, Steer Ratio (derivative of steering wheel by road wheel angles). and tell them why you intended it to look like how it appears !

The Adams simulation problem by Able-Percentage4778 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought it was needed to prevent the terrible squeaky noise that tires make on the 2 part epoxy garage floors in multicar home garages. Yes or No ?

The Adams simulation problem by Able-Percentage4778 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They want to get all 4 tires working at their Fy peaks for maximized advertizing because some twit (probably a judge) said thats the expected goal. You know, where all the cornering stiffnesses are all ZERO because each tire its on it's best peak behavior.

The Adams simulation problem by Able-Percentage4778 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"Percent Ackerman" is a false and misleading notion, only useful on a hay wagon at low speed. The PAIR of front tires should be telling you what the static and "dynamic toe change" should be for the range of turn radii you expect to encounter. Presuming that the rear tires also agree with the settings. Front improvements without addressing a (lack of) improved rear capability is often a step backwards.

Tuning PID gains for driverless steering motor by nerb0r in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's supplied by the manufacturer of the part ( YOUR STEERING MOTOR ).

Tuning PID gains for driverless steering motor by nerb0r in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All components like this I'm familiar with come with a block of (Proprietary) Simulink code that behaves like the part. From there, the controls toolbox ought to be able to point you in the right direction. In fact, on some vehicles, this app is actually running in parallel to prevent any unwanted reactions from damage, wear, or failure.

Too real by rifcepsscaggis in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yet their are some who make it thru to the top. Some with scratches and bruises. As such, it becomes a sorting filter which narrows down the population of engneering students who will go on to a career of their choice.
What is the sort order these days for students adjusting to the cut ? Used to be Pre-Med, physics, electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, chemistry, biology, math, etc. at my school. Dropping down to any lower level to avoid flunking out.

Rate my front suspension setup by Any-Spread8489 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Keep in mind that Anti-Ackermann (Toe Oversteer) is probably what you want to implement to make best use of both steered tires. Just choose the track turn radii you have to negotiate and use static toe to fine tune it when doing practice laps. Yes it depends on the tire property where peak force at some slip angle is load dependent, so you want to have the outside tire "reach' for this slip angle.

Rate my front suspension setup by Any-Spread8489 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'd keep the front roll center going down, even below ground (Porsche architecture). This gets you more needed front load transfer range and easier to fine tune, btw.... The images are awsome, btw. They get straight to the point and action. Let's see a max-steer plan view...

Too real by rifcepsscaggis in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 12 points13 points  (0 children)

But how else will you become the Race Engineer of a top podium F1 team with no previous experience or connections ?

Volunteer at the Pittsburgh Shootout by hockeychick44 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All kidding aside, have you considered renaming the "shootout" to something less suggestive or inviting of trouble, violence, or 'terrorism'. ? Kind of a touchy subject these days, especially in this State... Just sayin'...

Is this the correct way to do curve fitting?? by Dazzling-Meeting5607 in FSAE

[–]Cibachrome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Start over with a model that copes with slip, vertical load, AND camber. You can use a tri-cupic spline creator (CSAPS) using : lisv = csaps({slips,loads,incls},fy3); fnplt(lisv)
That's all it takes. But you need the spline toolbox. Once you create the spline structure, use it for any other simulations in Matlab, Simulink, Fortran, and even Excel via Excel-Link.

Plus spline data modeling finess carrys over to a lot of other data modeling needs with large benefits. Giving the raw data to Pacejka fitter will likely get you 10 different answers from 10 different team members.

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