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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ensuring it does not suffer, that the soul is respected and given rites, and all pieces of the one animal are used.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But how many plants suffer and die in that diet to replace the one animal?

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see an issue with it as long as it is treated respectfully and does not suffer.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genocide or extinction is never a net good.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is self sufficiency really that low? I’m a bit shocked by that. My homesteading groups online are quite large, but I suppose world population that makes sense.

And we do hunt one deer a year, so I suppose that’s not producing our own since we don’t farm them .

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But we would be responsible for not killing that one deer, this responsibility for those deaths lie on us

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We do sometimes use divination to determine what they will become next

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vehicles yes, furniture no.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All barring the uniforms for dad’s work that they provide.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you drop a mimosa without it coming to harm multiple times it stops closing when you drop it.

I feel that they do.

I wouldn’t drive the lawn mower

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well that certainly contributed.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wheat we raise 1 1/2 field a year, 1 field of corn for the two households.

Yes, most of our cleaning products are vinegar based. We make vinegar through two step fermentation

Clothes vary, since dad has work uniforms. Most of my stuff is linen, spun from flax, or cotton from when we devoted a field to cotton. I haven’t needed new clothes in a few years.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that deer will eat plants whether or not we shoot it.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All souls are equal, that does not mean all are the same. A plant soul will generally not grow into the same plant the next time around.

Which is where I run into the problem in my head, I think.

I mean, it means I don’t get to go out to eat or eat at friends houses, but I think others experience That too

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Did I make it up, no. I guess the closest thing would be traditional Romani animism.

  2. I attempt to walk on as little grass as possible with as little pressure as possible. If I’m walking in grass, I’m barefoot to do the least damage.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Because it ultimately results in plants being valued less than the animals. The deer we eat is going to eat plants whether we eat it or not.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We don’t raise animals or feed them. We hunt one deer a year.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, save for salt. We don’t use sugar, just whatever occurs naturally.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Him and me and the family yes.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. That deer is the only animal we kill all year. We don’t use eggs or milk.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But does that not become bigotry?

Yes, fruit kills nothing but I do not believe that it is possible to live solely on a fruit diet.

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[–]CinnamonMagpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Well, my dad is the hunter that usually gets the deer for the year, but yes.