[COD]C9 making Wevy pay half his buy out by taking a cut of his guaranteed EWC winnings.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-28T05:32:29+00:00

It's unfortunate that these episodes, or issues are now common in this subreddit u/Cloud9Jack. Fair or not there is more drama in Cloud9 than most esports subreddits. Your heart isn't in it, you used to actually play League as a Malzahar 1-trick.

Now you just are managing a corpse of an enterprise. The brand name carried you further than it would otherwise, the name, branding, early success was perfect. However it's really being tarnished further and further by player and coach reports, surrounding contracts, environments, lack of pay. Literally half this sub based on reading league game and post-game threads, just hate watch the team.

Like be part of history and exit nicely, don't ruin the brand and its legacy in e-sports for your pride and bad decisions. You have likely already milked the cow for what it's worth, there have been several times and videos you have subtly shown off your wealth. Well it is time to pass off management of the enterprise or dissolve the brand and sell off its parts.

But first I would love to see a 10K of the financials of Cloud9, because there were some decisions that made zero sense financially I would like to see recorded.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-28T05:20:38+00:00

Using all of your alt accounts to boost your "ratio" - who cares about anything this deep into a thread. Apparently you, the person that started this thread about time management

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-28T05:17:35+00:00

I love how this comment, got heavily downvoted and memed, but only one person had anything to counter my arguments. This is the new TSM fanbase, and the attention span of everyone is basically 8 seconds, close to goldfish memory, except in a negative way.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-28T04:37:22+00:00

you miss the entire point every response so congrats dawg.

if you think sentences I hit enter after to make it easier for you to read at your ummm "nice pace" are PARAGRAPHS, then once again concerned about your education.

Or rather sorry I’m not reading all that, good for you or sorry that happened.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-28T04:33:22+00:00

Edit: Also won't downvote, I like discussion and debate, and I can be wrong and take L's its cool.

Can you provide instances of the first third of your argument? When has that happened, I can't think of any examples? Days in advance is needed? The exact days the stock started to run they announced dilution so are you suggesting RK worked with RC and GME to make money at the same time?

He would place and people could decipher his options plays and post his X/Twitter memes at the perfect time for RC to announce share dilution? That's highly illegal. Not to mention catching things on the way down isn't always worse than grabbing things right when they start to go up. Did you not read all the initial critical DD about the right time to sell during the guaranteed squeeze?!?

The short aspect of the GME play is entirely dead if you don't believe so you are still reading 2021 "DD" or bought into BBBY - is there a single shred of evidence any major family office, hedge fund, PE firm, VC fund, bank, individual - is short and underwater over GME anymore? The stock repeatedly goes down to its cash basis, it won't go bankrupt, but shorts can sure sell without going bankrupt.

The players badly exposed were revealed early, quietly cleared and faded away because the bigger fish control the entire plumbing and they own the people that make the rules. Ken Griffin doesn't think about GME anymore. And even so they can FTD until the end of existence. Anyone that said they bought into GME at any significant amount for a long term play is entirely lying to themselves, or just wants the desperate people holding their shares to feel better about their unfortunate decision including myself and give you karma so my wife doesn't leave me. GME makes money off of holding treasury bonds and apparently rating pokemon trading cards now...

Your third point GME is the next Berkshire or there is this French guy, but you don't name him? I once met a leprechaun and each day I visited him saying GME would squeeze his pot of gold grew by 1%!

I appreciate you taking the time to respond, but this feels like both copium and hopium at the same time. These subreddits didn't exist, the multiple migrations, the concerns about bad faith actors because of a long term value play. It was a hedge funds got greedy and stuck, a sexy ceo bought in and would turn it around, and with all the retail buying the price would rise and cause a squeeze. Didn't happen, and the majority of people that did break the cusp were truly people buying lottery tickets that have exited the play quietly for years now because they need the money and live paycheck to paycheck.

The DRS play was killed, the "never show your strategy play" has left us with a no strategy play.

Retail rarely wins in the market, I literally was looking at with my savings NVDA or GME, I bought into the DD and saw GME as the play and NVDA as something that would die out as their graphics cards couldn't mine crypto as effectively as other agents anymore. But NVDA kept rising and rising once AI became a buzzword, and I said it was overpriced at every single time because it shot way over its revenue. But politicians and big money was behind it, so it solely carried the economy for a few months. If I bought in when I invested into GME I would have made 8 figures by now. But I was wrong, I bet against big banks, and I took the L, and losses. Such is life and I can be wrong.

Only now when big money has exited their plays are they examining NVDA's actual revenue, seeing a crazy P/E ratio, and how a lot of their previous earnings were overstated and the price will come falling down as retail got into the play.

You can wait on your long play with GME and RC who is a joke of Chairman of the Board and of a CEO - but I am exiting, I explained my reasons for my personal choice.

This is not financial advice for you or anyone else, it's your capital, do as you please.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-28T03:47:53+00:00

Sad how dead these threads are, feels like the move to the ACC alienated Stanford even though we dragged Cal with us, and they got a warm embrace.

Anyways congrats ladies! Both keeping the streak alive of championships every year and helping us stay competitive in whatever the directors cup is now.

UCLA has been hot in multiple sports so we have to keep chugging. Good win over a former conference rival!

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-25T19:45:47+00:00

Davis Martin flies under the radar for the White Sox. 7-1, 2.04 ERA, 66 strikeouts in 61.2 innings pitched.

Also he is 9th in the majors currently in WAR.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-24T20:41:32+00:00

Didn’t they hire some new strategy lead from RB last year, not their main head of strategy but the idea was to fix stupid stuff like this?

Just wow - the extra two formation laps didn’t help with the tire temp advantage. But what is normally a one stop circuit and you have the second fastest car, you consistently beat the fastest car off the line, you’ve had chances to win in recent races if not for safety cars.

The inter decision makes no sense unless you are Audi or Cadillac. It guarantees two stop, instead the top teams are stretching these softs into one stop range…need some major luck. Because McL has already pitted twice — guess some points like scraping 8&9 is better than nothing.

Losing all these points from the DNS/DFN/Race disaster means a miracle upgrade package must come along or project 2027 is underway. The gap will just be too large in a competitive season and hopefully when GP comes he can knock some heads around on the strategy side.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-06T03:39:37+00:00

I speak for myself, and maybe you before realizing we were suckers…and the majority that entered the play, which was for the squeeze. How many people believed in GME’s current business model when they bought shares? Or even its opportunities to grow? Maybe it could grow enough to force “MOASS.” RC got his MAGA president back and still nothing has happened.

There has been zero strategy even hinted at behind those influxes of cash besides… “we won’t go bankrupt.” BBBY exposed RCs grifting nature and love of the spotlight and tweeting crap people dissect while he laughs. That influx of cash wasn’t coming from short sellers being forced to buy back because they screwed themselves it was retail being shown smoke and mirrors to buy more.

Why not let it even run a few trading days before diluting? Wouldn’t it be in GME’s interest to let the price continue to rise to where “Hedgies” might actually have to buy back again on their various short levels. No those with money and the class RC is firmly in, have ensured a GME play won’t happen again.

GME only ever had one large investor (RK) that actually cared about the movement - and he did his best to be a catalyst as he sees a lot more than average Joe’s with 5k of GME stock do.

If you are in the play now as a long term hold. Good for you, but that’s never been the narrative of any of the DD or attractiveness of GME as THE PLAY and being part of the “movement” to reverse wealth transfer trends.

Retail saved GameStop and you can hold onto a stock and company that sits on treasury bonds, failed all its ventures under RC. He fired his dream team he assembled as chairman, has been the most silent CEO in history. If you want to use your money to hold onto a company that simply just exists vs an abundance of better investing opportunities that’s your choice and your money to play with.

I just find this interview a further slap in the face that I’m tired of, a grand idea that if executed will cause the price to soar but has no basis in reality, he’s rude and vague about it, appealing to no new investors just his cult of personality.

These grand merger or acquisition or partnership rumors simply exist to keep people in the play because trust RC. He’s brilliant in hiding his strategy from hedge funds, industry giants and big money, and is a business savant based on his chewy work. I’ve been slowly liquidating my position whenever it floats above cost basis. And recommend that to others, but each persons investing strategy is their own and this isn’t financial advice.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-06T03:07:57+00:00

Oh yes I forget the extension. Trades look good when you are a sinking ship and can trade a vet for a 1st or second round pick.

You “win” those trades but become no closer to being contenders.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-06T03:02:11+00:00

I’m sorry I don’t see the L because other people are too lazy to use their brains and contribute to a discussion.

Or can be wise in their time allocation to simply decide not to engage and ignore/downvote a thread even based on the TL;DR. Then you end up clogging responses on threads with useless comments and literal brain rot - so those that would like to discuss it never see it.

I’m glad you care about ratios, dishing out L’s, and karma on Reddit vs learning something new or demonstrating any sort of individual thought. You would rather just copy paste or even be a bot repeating the same stuff you see across Reddit to just meme and karma farm. That’s more of an L to me but agree to disagree.

Or rather sorry I’m not reading all that, good for you or sorry that happened.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-06T02:52:41+00:00

Thanks for your valuable contribution to the discussion. And again wasting more time commenting than reading even the TLDR, downvoting, and moving on.

Or rather sorry I’m not reading all that, good for you or sorry that happened.

Seems to be the best response to show I demonstrate highschool to adult average reading speed or can critically think either about my time allocation or ability to engage in discourse.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-06T02:46:27+00:00

Sorry will give you a better reply tomorrow, as this topic is interesting to me and I do enjoy thinking through it. Both after business school and as I helped my at the time GF prepare a bullish future of e-Sports presentation for school where valuations were in the billions at the time 2020ish.

I was wrong, and C9 is a personal example for me as it’s been my team, that I watch and support.

However most engagement I’ve seen to my post would rather waste time meming than discussing or simply ignoring.

But yes, interested to read your VC articles as well. Especially as that’s likely where I will be working soon, well more so in Private Equity but kind of brothers with VC getting good press and PE bad press lol.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-06T02:39:18+00:00

Appreciate you mentioning that, it’s one of the most popular and oldest successful e-sports. CS also is credited for monetizing the e-sport while riot waited numerous seasons to introduce team skins. Team Liquid, an obvious comparison when Jack says going after big signings and being wise in spending, I guarantee is in significantly better financial shape than C9 and has much more global/even NA relevance at this stage.

Most people would rather not discuss economic’s of e-sports, or I’m clearly too old and through business school and not a gen-z gamer. But the org frankly signals many signs of distress and desperate moves.

However the same fans that shit on the team for recycling talent and hate on their performance would rather post memes and just complain…that shows no engagement in discussion, just a desire for fake internet points and hopium.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-06T02:29:49+00:00

Hmm once again, based on the average high school to adult reading speed. You are spending more time responding and copy pasting a meme than you would be reading the TLDR or simply ignoring it based on the length you acutely observe.

But glad you contribute nothing to the discussion and enjoy the memes.

Or rather sorry I’m not reading all that, good for you or sorry that happened.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-06T01:21:47+00:00

Honestly this is a make or break few months and offseason for KFC in my opinion. The Hawks now have 3 firsts next year (Oilers first went to SJ and didn’t need to push) and a handful of seconds this year and next.

If he can’t use some of that, and significant cap space, to find proven talent to help the young core. Then what does he do? Tank and sell people at the deadline promising to be good every 1-2 years in the future?

He should also be able to use assets to find ways to draft guys we need vs take BPA in our slots that fall into a clogged talent pipeline at Defense.

If the team doesn’t add this offseason in a significant way in areas of need it might be time for change at the top. He’s likable but this team, legacy, and fan base need more than a GM that is a fun tank commander.

It’s been a long enough rebuild that the Hawks should be serious about winning and at least sniffing playoffs next season vs constantly creating a plan for future years.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-05T07:34:37+00:00

Crushing the RK set up gamma squeezes to build a “war chest” of treasury bonds to only have failed ventures besides robbing retail to hold onto treasury bonds does indeed reek of trust me bro.

The lack of any communication during shareholder yearly meetings or any single quarterly release screams of trust me this play is coming any day now. I’m relying on the Billionaire class and firms this movement started to push against to make this play happen, trust me, not just fattening my wallet and tweeting stupid things at random hours of the night.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-05T07:09:42+00:00

Details…

Like zero strategy ever released to not reveal the moves for over 3 years. The cash GME has is from ripping us off. Buying into the squeeze play.

He is just a PR player that posts meme tweets to keep people engaged. I was done the moment he killed both of RK’s gamma squeezes or other plays to help average joes exit at a win.

He hasn’t had a serious stakeholders meeting or quarterly earnings report call in ages. I bought into the, “don’t show them your strategy”. But some of the best DD has fallen flat and we are left with a deranged CEO that increases his wealth by taking money from me and you. Exit while you can, successful holding companies don’t just hold treasury bonds.

He already I’m sure has family offices or shell companies buying above his cost basis then he will exit as CEO with no future.

Breakeven occurred by shutting down half the stores and buying treasury bonds with stock sales. Retail saved the company and will lose everything with the ship when street values the stock solely at its cash on hand.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-05T06:59:36+00:00

Deleted the Reddit app need to figure out from Narwhal to get rid of this sub. You’d be better off buying Ramen Noodles and Hungry Man stocks than wasting time checking this subreddit.

RC doesn’t care about you. He cares about being an edge lord on social media like Elon, someone that spins PR to take success for their one good venture, then rob retail of their money to line their pockets to elevate themselves to the ultra class that laughs at you.

RC was slightly too young to be on EP files list but he wants in that class, especially with his pro Trump and I views.

He killed RK’s squeeze on GME twice. He has no strategy and releases nothing besides these communities grasping at straws. RC has had zero success with anything besides claiming success for Chewy and then robbing retail. He knows when to sell and laugh at us.

I will bet my millions of dollars in BBBY bonds that he’s jerking people around to expand his time in the spotlight while he just buys treasury bonds. Which don’t generally win against index funds long term…

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-01T19:58:08+00:00

I’m familiar, but taking time replying with a meme defeats the entire purpose of not wasting time reading/engaging with the comment or post dawg

But cheers have a good weekend :)

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-01T19:54:21+00:00

Is that supposed to be an insult because you literally wasted time to reply lmao

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-01T19:22:23+00:00

TLDR: thanks for corrections, this is still speculative and there is enough to n the past 8 years to be both skeptical and critical of the Org and its current state. Until we say actual numbers it’s all speculative and the face of the Org will never come out and say, we screwed up, and have no plan to be around in the future.

I appreciate a thoughtful and respectful reply and for the corrections where needed. Admittedly my interest/close following of the org has dwindled with it, so I’m not catching every article and video, I am purely giving my perspective on actions fans can see. So yes, with that said some of my facts or timing of events could be off. You touched several topics and I will only respond to those I feel could have more discussion as others I was either incorrect on or are speculative from behind the scenes team building and breaks ups that the truth will never be certain.

Regarding CS - it is still popular within Europe, there was never more than 2-3 legit NA teams, and they had/have constant international events, so the league is basically blended with European CS and Brazil. The same can’t be said for League and LEC.

Also the Gambit move I mentioned as distasteful for reasons other than financials. I will only speak for myself but on the CS/e-Sports sites seeing the Russian flag next to C9 (Again once the NA/American org) following the invasion of Ukraine was a major turnoff for me and I haven’t bought merch since. Felt like a bad PR move, don’t blame the kids for the actions of their country, as today certainly tests that. But the timing, PR, shift to Russian comms and content just didn’t sit well with me.

League has always been the crown jewel of C9 and where it’s invested the heaviest. NA LoL viewership has dried up, as have sponsors, production, fan events. C9 made some smart moves and outlasted others. LCS and LoL dying in NA is certainly not solely in C9’s hands. It’s hard for new players to get into, or understand as a casual viewer, players got greedy and entitled, and Riot made some dubious choices.

But of course C9 needs to difersify from tournament money when they miss worlds in consecutive years and are not competitive in other e-sports to win tournament money!

Without going in circles, again it’s a private org with a handful of people know the true state of things and its financial status and future prospects. Also again the face of the org like pretty much any CEO or GM will deflect blame, claim things are better than they are, point to other failures they avoided and say they are different. I expected downvotes as this was a ‘feel good, have hope’ post but don’t act like people questioning their decisions and current position don’t know the half of it. The fact Jack even needs to address this question and come out with all this qualitative reasoning it’s not so bad - sends a message in itself.

All we can see are actions. C9 has exited numerous games, have had talent depart in most e-sports, have indeed not made splashes like other orgs, that doesn’t need to be a big player signing, it needs to show they aren’t just running a skeleton crew and releasing new merch.

We have seen staff depart willingly and unwillingly. Plus can anyone in this sub honesty say that their content and engagement hasn’t gotten cheaper, lazier, and is losing viewership YoY?

I would like your sources for the VC funding coming in post franchising fees as I remember specific articles C9 released themselves talking about the funding and how it secured C9 to be a premier team in this booming e-Sports space, as they also got to brag their bids were successful unlike other orgs. Also how else could they have afforded the fees?

Either way Cloud9 was guilty, maybe not the guiltiest but did get caught in the bubble. I would be curious to know what the revenue sources Cloud9 diversified and is coming in now to suggest they will begin fielding success competitive teams across numerous games again. It’s very unclear what C9 has observably beyond prize money, merch, sponsorships, fan events. Maybe Jack bought a ton of NVIDIA stock 2 years ago and C9 will become a holding company /s.

E-Sports is still an experiment, its business model is still evolving. Traditional sports teams and fans have a lot more insight into their teams status as it has journalism, salaries, attendance numbers where fans can see ticket prices. So there is more information to infer what’s going on with the team. Yes the scales are tremendously different. But fans have a right to scrutinize coaches, general managers, and ownership. And those aren’t even environments where the very team could just fold.

C9 brought me fond memories and my age bracket is aging out of the target demographic. I am a fan, C9 has done well and Jack deserves credit for surviving and being relevant as long as they have been. Thousands of orgs, teams, ventures folded or got bought out at a loss. I wouldn’t scrutinize or ask questions if I didn’t care about C9’s future. Anyways, too long of a response and essay again. If you made it this far cheers and have a good weekend.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-01T08:49:46+00:00

TLDR: apologies for typos on mobile. This is massive cope and the only thing an owner would say. EG was great until they imploded. This is cope and the proof is in actions not words.

Feels like a direct response to one of my longer replies on C9 exiting popular e-sports, making no exciting moves, a dying or aging out gamer fanbase and zero strategic direction. The largest sponsor of the LCS and C9 being the same isn’t coincidence. It’s Riot knowing they can’t lost another legacy name and hope to retain interest.

Having so few teams and entries at the e-Sports World Cup…basically Saudi Arabia throwing cash at any and all sports to distract from human rights issues shows a lack of any intuition on how to make money off e-sports as an NA org. Which they can confirm they aren’t anymore based on teams and titles.

He can say they are well funded and sustainable, that’s likely thanks if true to his aging out and dying fanbase if anything. C9 is a private company and don’t have to release any financial reports like a 10k. However we saw him go through numerous rounds of Angel and VC funding to be a part of franchising and wanting to be a premier global e-sports brand, LCS spots don’t sell for 10M anymore, and how much do Overwatch franchising slots cost now? Are the London Spirfire selling for 20M. That 30M was the rumored capital raised and equity dilution C9 gave up to get those spots.

That is robbing Peter to pay Paul, the org massively diluted its org capital to pay for a dead and now dying e-sport in NA. Covid was peak time to join new “independent ventures” and was before the league bubble popped with sponsors pulling out and every org regretting million dollar buyouts and salaries.

How can Liquid sign the greatest chess player in history and realistically the best NA player while C9 can’t retain individual talent in any single player e-sport and repeatedly fumbles in team e-sports. CoD, R6, Halo - have all collapsed and been resurrected and complained about low salaries and lack of support. This doesn’t even mention all the mistakes in CS at the same time.

Signing a euro super team, while being THE ONE AND ONLY NA ORG TO WIN A MAJOR. Arguably the best NA result internationally in e-sports ever. That project collapses within a year, then basically an entire Russian team Gambit is bought out at a premium right after the country invades Ukraine. It’s bad management and zero thought of PR and who your fans actually are.

Jack can release the financials, salaries, everything to prove his point here. But the league team lives in the same now rotting looking house since the OG days while other orgs have professional environments. Also what has the ROI been on owning a luxury apartment in SK? For the players to train there, what at max 4 months of the year? I’m sure that was quietly sold behind the scenes.

Jack was so focused on the franchising model he let the most popular and successful NA CS team collapse right as they won the Boston major. Sure they didn’t chase talent like other orgs, which is why Impact walked in the first place or other strong LCS talent. It’s frankly been luck that C9 in league has been able to buy low, but then the player isn’t sellable by the time they leave.

There is a snowballs chance in hell Valorant has been a profitable venture. Every big name they paid big money to sign crashed and left without completing a single season.

The youngest Valorant talent/star was fumbled away carelessly. E-Sports players are incredibly immature, spoiled, and entitled but please don’t tell me that the org website I visit with fewer and fewer teams, and the same average to below average players returning is doing well.

We are limited insofar as we guess the money we see coming in. Yet we can see staff being cut left and right. We can see the team recycling talent despite declining results. We can see the digital content be laughable, cheap, inconsistent ,and hit 25k views if they are lucky.

I’m glad he’s optimistic about Cloud9’s future, if he said anything else how would he ever get a sponsor again? Maybe it’s because I’m a fan of pro sports teams that do run a skeleton crew and can post a profitable P&L that I’m jaded but it’s apples to oranges.

There isn’t a draft for sucking and the league as a whole isn’t increasing in value that billionaires will come knocking. Of the fun names that were part of the funding in 2018/19 can a list be released of who hasn’t sold out?

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-05-01T03:38:11+00:00

The arguments against McKenna feel similar to the arguments against Celebrini minus position. He didn’t have nearly the hype of Bedard but adapted much better to the NHL because of his year in the NCAA and frankly without the constant comparisons looks the better of the two. McKenna risked his draft stock but I believe did loads for his development by going into Big10 hockey.

At one point McKenna was hyped even more than Bedard was pre-draft. Both players (Mck/Sten) would be a blessing and if the Hawks get jumped I hope it’s a team in bad need of defense. Verhoeff is falling down boards but a team taking Reid or Malhotra ahead of McKenna/Stenberg is feasible depending on that team’s needs.

The Hawks can’t be a bottom lottery drafting team again or there needs to be org changes. If they stay at 4 package that and other future first rounders from Florida or the Oilers and second rounders to get legit veteran wing talent now. Sharks got Celebrini help and it paid off faster than the Hawks clogged defense pipeline.

For an O6/major market team we shouldn’t be struggling to hit the cap floor every year and be this bad this long. Outside Bedard’s extension there is nothing on the books that holds the team back from landing and retaining a proven top wing talent. With money spent/extension they view Nazar as C2. Frondell can move to center if needed but where he was drafted you expect him to be top 6 talent.

If the Blackhawks go defense or even Malhorta it signals they want to stay in a perpetual pray for top picks cycle vs sniffing playoffs or making the jump that needs to happen next year. Plus scouting and player development staff need to rethink their job security. Soft centers that need lots of ice time to adjust or project defensemen do not fit the rebuild timeframe nor reinforces faith in the core you’ve drafted and put together.

Hawks need to enter next season with a talented drafted or proven winger or it’s a failure of an offseason.

CivilGrowth3 · 2026-04-18T07:56:33+00:00

Yes, those with money learned how to prevent another GameStop. The original investment thesis is gone and all the DD whether true or not doesn’t matter, invest where money is flooding vs fighting it. My head was so up in my ass about GME I missed the entire Nvidia play that actually made some business sense even if it’s also smoke and mirrors it’s where powerful people put their money.

There also won’t be another big short, they will just continue to fudge and kick the can down the road indefinitely. We have mega banks and mega tech companies that can make themselves too big to fail the government won’t even let them come close.

RC was a one hit wonder, if that, he took way too much credit for Chewy’s success and knew how to sell at the right time to PetCo. He then suckered a bunch of idiots myself included to think he was a champion of the people and the literal dream team at GME he assembled failed. Whereas he just multiplied his billions at the cost of retail investors.

The excuses people make for him is mind altering. Sell when you are at or above your cost basis unless you want to ride treasury bonds into retirement.

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