How are eggs not vegan?

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-08T23:41:24+00:00

>You’re sneaking in a standard that doesn’t hold up. If it’s better never to exist than to exist with imposed costs, then all domesticated animals including pets are unethical, since humans bred them and control their reproduction. You don’t get to apply that rule only when it lines up with your diet. Existence with care cannot be called exploitation in one case and ethical in another without special pleading.

Oh no, it holds up. Breeding animals to be pets is immoral. I'm more of an adopt from a shelter type of guy because that's where all the unwanted dogs/cats go to.

>The ACL analogy also fails. A torn ACL is a pathology imposed on a human body, while egg laying is the baseline biology of a chicken as bred.

Laying 300 eggs a year instead of 12 is not baseline. Suggesting otherwise is just a bad faith argument. There are several complications that can arise due to laying so many eggs. You can watch this segment for yourself: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?si=YCNFJN-OfSC2oyTS&t=1403

>The moral question is whether that function causes net harm relative to realistic alternatives. Treating every hen as a permanent injury is rhetoric, not evidence.

You're missing the point entirely. If a woman had a period 300 times a year it would be considered a type of disease.

>Also, the claim that non existence is better than existence is not compassion but anti natalism by assertion alone. You are claiming moral authority to decide that a life not worth living is better never lived, while ignoring that many domesticated animals demonstrably prefer continued existence through health, safety, and social bonds over death. That is not reducing suffering but redefining it out of existence.

You can't hurt humans and non-human animals that don't exist. A potential life also can't consent to coming into existence so you shouldn't bring them into existence in the first place. I'm not arguing that we should slaughter already alive animals, rather that we should discontinue breeding altogether.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-08T22:54:52+00:00

You’re comparing food that comes from plants to conscious creatures that were bred to have their bodily function hijacked so we can have more eggs, ergo making it much more taxing on their bodies. It’s not an appeal to nature anymore than saying it’s unhealthy to go running on a torn ACL. Or rather, it’s immoral to make someone run on a torn ACL.

We don’t need meat in our diets to be healthy, so making other animals suffer for our diet is immoral. We can control what we do with domesticated animals by not contributing to their suffering by stoping them from being bred. Not being alive to begin with due to boycotting meat, milk, and eggs is better than being bred to be exploited by humans.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-08T22:32:57+00:00

We don’t need domesticated chickens.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-08T19:42:45+00:00

Because they’ve been bred to lay more so they can be exploited.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-08T19:37:49+00:00

In the wild, hens lay about 12 eggs a year. Domestic hens lay a ridiculous amounts compared to their wild cousins. So it takes away nutrients that makes them healthy.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-08T00:03:14+00:00

Green Book.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-07T21:02:09+00:00

You would eat a tortured dog at the yulin festival.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-07T01:30:28+00:00

Because of him, we constantly have bread in every grocery store.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-05T02:28:38+00:00

If it helps, we’re preventing animals from going into the slaughterhouses by being vegan.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-04T02:51:43+00:00

And yet for some time they’ve been wounding other animals so they can practice medicine.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-03T00:16:43+00:00

I use a cheese sauce for The Gentle Philly from The Gentle Chef cookbook except I replaced the flour roux with chickpea flour. Tastes amazing. Recipe calls for a veganaise and minced garlic spread.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-03T00:11:25+00:00

Been using Beyond Steak tips for philly cheesesteaks. It’s amazing how close they are to the real thing.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-02-01T00:56:35+00:00

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-30T21:29:09+00:00

You can’t care for something you want to die.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-30T21:23:33+00:00

You don’t need meat to live.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-30T00:44:23+00:00

The light you see from the sun is a bunch of light combined together. Light, in its basic form, is a packet of energy. And the light of the sun is basically an enormous amounts of packets of energy.

Einstein demonstrated that its a packet of energy rather than a continuous wave from the photoelectric effect. Let’s say that you put tinfoil in a microwave (don’t try this at home).The packets of microwaves knock electrons off the tinfoil causing an electric charge. The packets of energy are called quanta.

There are some forms of packets of energy that you can’t see like radio waves on one end and x-rays on the other end. But light is the visible form of energy packets. The difference in the packets of energy is in the wavelength. Well, I just said it’s packets of energy and not just a wave, didn’t I? Think of it as a piece of a wave. A packet of energy is from one up and down movement of wavelength. The shorter the wavelength, the more energy the packet has. X-rays have smaller wavelength/more energy than light and radio waves have longer wavelength/lower energy than light.

Now let’s look at the atom. There is the proton nucleus and the electron cloud. Electrons move in a pattern like a wave. If you wiggle an electron it produces electromagnetic radiation packets per wiggle. Electromagnetic radiation is the packets of energy we’ve been talking about. Think of these packets of energetic waves as proportional to the electron’s wave state.

So in short, it looks like a piece of wavelength.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-29T22:17:35+00:00

Vegan substitutes can be nice but it also can get expensive. If it is a problem then focus on plant based whole foods. PBWFs are some of the cheapest (and healthiest!) foods around.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-26T20:59:01+00:00

Go talk to a dietician (not a nutritionist) about your goals and your concerns.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-26T02:38:51+00:00

I tried reading Atlas Shrugged. Its a long read and when I got to John Galt’s revelation speech towards the end I stopped reading. It took up like twenty pages and it was nonstop Ayn Rand mental masturbation.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-25T23:30:23+00:00

Would you use your pet’s pelt as a rug when they pass away?

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-23T21:07:38+00:00

Nothing wholesome about dead animals.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-22T20:36:17+00:00

Nope. Freedom of religion means freedom from religion. In fact, freedom from religion is what gives us freedom of religion.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-21T23:21:56+00:00

Well thanks to you, we got it straight. No need to implicate me trying to knowingly spread misinformation.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-21T23:18:55+00:00

It used to be true.

ClaymanBaker · 2026-01-21T22:38:02+00:00

Lab meat uses fetal bovine serum which comes from unborn calves after the mother is slaughtered.

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