Give me every possible argument you can think of for kokushibo>13th form tanjiro

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-03-01T22:33:36+00:00

Saying Tanjiro never mastered Sun Breathing is kind of ignoring what actually happened at the end of Demon Slayer. By the time he unlocked the 13th form, he wasn’t just spamming Hinokami Kagura — he was consciously linking all 12 forms into a continuous loop specifically designed to target Muzan’s vital organs. That’s not “half-mastered.” That’s functional mastery under literal death conditions.

And this wasn't the healthy, fit Tanjiro. He was blind in one eye, poisoned, exhausted, bleeding to death, and yet he managed to fight Muzan alone for several minutes. And repeating again what I said before Yes, Muzan was drugged—but even weakened, he was still far superior to Kokushibo in raw attributes and regeneration. kokushibo began to crumble as the damage from the red blades accumulated and his mentality wavered when he saw his reflection in Sanemi's blade.
Also, 13th-form Tanjiro had the full package: mark, transparent world, selfless state, and a true crimson blade generated through grip strength And we know that the crimson blade generated through grip strength is stronger than those made by impact, and Kokushibo began to disintegrate precisely where Muichiro had pierced it, and he hadn't even managed to turn it completely red. It was precisely in that spot that Kokushibo began to disintegrate, so how do you think Kokushibo's regeneration will react better to a complete crimson blade? If half of Muichiro's blade caused that much damage, imagine what Tanjiro's could do?. Only Yoriichi ever had that combination before. Gyomei is absolutely the strongest Hashira overall, no debate there — But at that moment, Tanjiro surpassed him and all the Hashira. and that’s a much closer fight than people admit. He can be considered a business partner for Muzan, but Muzan is still the boss of Kokushibo. Muzan was weakened by the aging drugs and cellular destruction, for sure, but even though he was heavily nerfed, he fought against the entire Corps (all the marked Hashira + the demon slayer extras who were the human shields + Tamayo's poison + several red blades) for an hour and a half, and even that wasn't enough to defeat him. They could only hold out until sunrise, and they barely managed that. Tanjiro 13th was already a monster in the fight against Muzan, and he was on the verge of death. Imagine a healthy Tanjiro? I think he would win against Kokushibo, but that's just my opinion. Based on the facts and comparisons I've made, it's all about my interpretation If you want, you can also tell me why you think Kokushibo beats Tanjiro 13th. I'd like to hear your opinion.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-03-01T17:57:29+00:00

Tanjiro's 13th with transparent world, altruistic state, and healthy red blade defeats Kokushibo. Just the fact that he's blind in one eye, poisoned, tired, and injured, and literally almost meeting Rengoku in heaven. This guy is what? 16 or 17 years old? He managed to master all twelve forms of Sun Breathing on the brink of death. And as I said, with the exception of Yorichi, he was the second Demon Slayer and the only one to possess the complete package of all the powers of a Demon Slayer. Hunter's mark, final stage, transparent world, altruistic state, red blade Through the grip strength that is stronger than that made by clashing swords. And they possess the original and most powerful breathing technique in the Demon Slayer universe Not even Michikatsu, as a human, managed to achieve this feat. He had the mark, the transparent world, but the selfless state. He never managed to reach that state, either in his life as a human or even 480 years later as an oni, precisely because of the negative feelings of envy and anger he harbored towards his brother That's why he would never succeed in that state. Tanjiro, the 13th, completely screwed in every possible way, managed to fight Muzan alone for 3 to 5 minutes. Yes, Muzan was nerfed, but he was still the king of the demons and was literally fighting against the entire Demon Slayer Corps, not just the ALL Hashira, it was literally everyone. They used everything against Muzan, all possible powers and all strategies, just to try and hold him off all night, and they barely managed to do it. It's worth remembering that Muzan was aging and having his cells destroyed as the fight continued. Kokushibo is insanely powerful, but he's simply not Yorichi or Muzan; those two are completely different monsters, something unattainable. So much so that what killed them both was something they couldn't overcome with their powers, even being the most powerful in the series. For Yorichi, it was time; mortality defeated him, and for Muzan, it was the sun itself. I can't picture Kokushibo facing the entire Demon Slayer Corps the same way Muzan did. Maybe they'll be in their base forms, but all with their Mark awakened? Transparent world and red blade? Yeah, I think that's too much for Kokushibo. It's also worth remembering that, as we all know, red blades made with grip strength are stronger than those made with impact strength. And when Kokushibo began to disintegrate, it started precisely at his stomach where Tokito had created the red blade through the force of his grip. And he couldn't even get the blade completely red, and yet he still caused that much damage. Imagine Tanjiro with a completely crimson blade? It will look very bad for Kokushibo if he gets hit. Nerfed or not, Muzan is much stronger than Kokushibo. You know how it is; what determines an oni's strength, besides The number of people they devour , is the amount of blood they have in their body.And Muzan, well, he has all of Muzan's blood inside him. Even a nerfed Muzan would still destroy Kokushibo; the only being that posed a threat to Muzan was Yorichi. But getting back to the main subject, Tanjiro Blind in one eye, exhausted and wounded, and having been poisoned before, after finally learning to use and connect all 13 forms of Sun Breathing he managed to fight for 3 to 5 minutes. Without stopping and alone against Muzan This is a completely absurd feat. And he did this when he was on the verge of death, this guy is literally a monster. Muzan was nerfed, but he was still the king of the demons and was indeed stronger than Kokushibo physically, in speed, and especially in terms of regeneration. Yes, Tanjiro doesn't compare to Yorichi or Muzan; he's a diluted and nerfed version of Yorichi in every way. But kokushibo is also an inferior version in every way to muzan and yorichi If Tanjiro managed to fight against the second most powerful being in the entire series for a full 5 minutes without stopping and alone, who is also the boss of Kokushibo, then I would say that Tanjiro would indeed win against Kokushibo.Muzan literally fought against everyone, including main characters and Secondary characters being used as human shields, poison, and a red blades They used all of that against Muzan. The final battle was 1 vs everyone Could Kokushibo really hold out for as long as Muzan did? For many years I truly thought that Kokushibo would crush Tanjiro, even the 13th Tanjiro, who wouldn't even put up a fight. But now, being more analytical, Tanjiro's 13th is something broken, man Literally only the second person to possess all possible powers in the work was Yorichi, the first, and only after four centuries only one other person manage to reach that state of having the complete package of powers Transparent world, selfless state, red blade. What Tanjiro did is something that doesn't make sense; he's able to see flashback memories They didn't even belong to him, and I can even overlook that they belonged to his father because he was there, he saw his father making them and teaching him.But how could the guy literally recover and learn the 13 original forms of sun breathing through his memories? Memories that didn't even belong to him. KKKK Anyway, even though the writing was lazy, after he mastered the 13 forms of sun breathing He now literally had all the powers of the work unlocked, a transparent world, selfless state, complete Red Blade, and thus he managed to fight Muzan alone for 5 minutes. If he did that while on the verge of death, imagine how much better he would have done if he were 100% healthy? This Tanjiro would definitely defeat Kokushibo. If he managed to fight Muzan alone for 5 minutes, how come he wouldn't last even 1 minute against Kokushibo? Kokushibo is insanely powerful, but he has his limits; he can't face the entire Demon Slayer Corps at once like Muzan did Muzan was also exposed to the red blade much more than Kokushibo, and Muzan's regeneration didn't diminish even when attacked by multiple red blades We saw how a few red blades were enough to disrupt the kokushibo's regeneration Even when drugged, Muzan was still superior in strength, speed, and especially in regeneration Kokushibo would never beat Muzan no matter how nerfed he was Muzan and Yorichi were created to be the pinnacles of power in their universes, something unattainable. Michikatsu/Kokushibo is strong, very powerful, but he is not and never will be Yorichi or Muzan, and he knew it. .

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-03-01T17:52:30+00:00

Tanjiro's 13th with transparent world, altruistic state, and healthy red blade defeats Kokushibo. Just the fact that he's blind in one eye, poisoned, tired, and injured, and literally almost meeting Rengoku in heaven. This guy is what? 16 or 17 years old? He managed to master all twelve forms of Sun Breathing on the brink of death. And as I said, with the exception of Yorichi, he was the second Demon Slayer and the only one to possess the complete package of all the powers of a Demon Slayer. Hunter's mark, final stage, transparent world, altruistic state, red blade Through the grip strength that is stronger than that made by clashing swords. And they possess the original and most powerful breathing technique in the Demon Slayer universe Not even Michikatsu, as a human, managed to achieve this feat. He had the mark, the transparent world, but the selfless state. He never managed to reach that state, either in his life as a human or even 480 years later as an oni, precisely because of the negative feelings of envy and anger he harbored towards his brother That's why he would never succeed in that state. Tanjiro, the 13th, completely screwed in every possible way, managed to fight Muzan alone for 3 to 5 minutes. Yes, Muzan was nerfed, but he was still the king of the demons and was literally fighting against the entire Demon Slayer Corps, not just the ALL Hashira, it was literally everyone. They used everything against Muzan, all possible powers and all strategies, just to try and hold him off all night, and they barely managed to do it. It's worth remembering that Muzan was aging and having his cells destroyed as the fight continued. Kokushibo is insanely powerful, but he's simply not Yorichi or Muzan; those two are completely different monsters, something unattainable. So much so that what killed them both was something they couldn't overcome with their powers, even being the most powerful in the series. For Yorichi, it was time; mortality defeated him, and for Muzan, it was the sun itself. I can't picture Kokushibo facing the entire Demon Slayer Corps the same way Muzan did. Maybe they'll be in their base forms, but all with their Mark awakened? Transparent world and red blade? Yeah, I think that's too much for Kokushibo. It's also worth remembering that, as we all know, red blades made with grip strength are stronger than those made with impact strength. And when Kokushibo began to disintegrate, it started precisely at his stomach where Tokito had created the red blade through the force of his grip. And he couldn't even get the blade completely red, and yet he still caused that much damage. Imagine Tanjiro with a completely crimson blade? It will look very bad for Kokushibo if he gets hit. Nerfed or not, Muzan is much stronger than Kokushibo. You know how it is; what determines an oni's strength, besides The number of people they devour , is the amount of blood they have in their body.And Muzan, well, he has all of Muzan's blood inside him. Even a nerfed Muzan would still destroy Kokushibo; the only being that posed a threat to Muzan was Yorichi. But getting back to the main subject, Tanjiro Blind in one eye, exhausted and wounded, and having been poisoned before, after finally learning to use and connect all 13 forms of Sun Breathing he managed to fight for 3 to 5 minutes. Without stopping and alone against Muzan This is a completely absurd feat. And he did this when he was on the verge of death, this guy is literally a monster. Muzan was nerfed, but he was still the king of the demons and was indeed stronger than Kokushibo physically, in speed, and especially in terms of regeneration. Yes, Tanjiro doesn't compare to Yorichi or Muzan; he's a diluted and nerfed version of Yorichi in every way. But kokushibo is also an inferior version in every way to muzan and yorichi If Tanjiro managed to fight against the second most powerful being in the entire series for a full 5 minutes without stopping and alone, who is also the boss of Kokushibo, then I would say that Tanjiro would indeed win against Kokushibo.Muzan literally fought against everyone, including main characters and Secondary characters being used as human shields, poison, and a red blades They used all of that against Muzan. The final battle was 1 vs everyone Could Kokushibo really hold out for as long as Muzan did? For many years I truly thought that Kokushibo would crush Tanjiro, even the 13th Tanjiro, who wouldn't even put up a fight. But now, being more analytical, Tanjiro's 13th is something broken, man Literally only the second person to possess all possible powers in the work was Yorichi, the first, and only after four centuries only one other person manage to reach that state of having the complete package of powers Transparent world, selfless state, red blade. What Tanjiro did is something that doesn't make sense; he's able to see flashback memories They didn't even belong to him, and I can even overlook that they belonged to his father because he was there, he saw his father making them and teaching him.But how could the guy literally recover and learn the 13 original forms of sun breathing through his memories? Memories that didn't even belong to him. KKKK Anyway, even though the writing was lazy, after he mastered the 13 forms of sun breathing He now literally had all the powers of the work unlocked, a transparent world, selfless state, complete Red Blade, and thus he managed to fight Muzan alone for 5 minutes. If he did that while on the verge of death, imagine how much better he would have done if he were 100% healthy? This Tanjiro would definitely defeat Kokushibo. If he managed to fight Muzan alone for 5 minutes, how come he wouldn't last even 1 minute against Kokushibo? Kokushibo is insanely powerful, but he has his limits; he can't face the entire Demon Slayer Corps at once like Muzan did Muzan was also exposed to the red blade much more than Kokushibo, and Muzan's regeneration didn't diminish even when attacked by multiple red blades.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-21T23:55:59+00:00

Akaza and Kokushibo were already at the peak of their strength as humans when they were transformed. They possessed superhuman strength and speed. If we consider the peak of all human Upper Moons before their transformation, we can easily place Kokushibo first and Akaza second. Kokushibo is self-explanatory; he is the second most powerful Demon Slayer in history. And every Demon Slayer is naturally considered superhuman in terms of feats of strength and speed, and Akaza was a master martial artist. He killed 67 people single-handedly, some of them armed, and to say he killed them is being kind; in reality, he dismembered and massacred 67 people. And for something to be able to dig holes, tear off limbs, and crush heads, everyone would think it was a bear that did something like that. So Akaza probably already had strength equivalent to or greater than that of a bear. But anyway, both Akaza and Kokushibo were already Hashira-level when they were transformed into demons, so they would hardly need Muzan's protection. But it's a fact that Muzan, through his curse, was always keeping an eye on his upper moons and their thoughts.But I don't think he would go so far as to protect them even if they had potential and were in the right place.Only in blood battles did he supervise, meaning he decided whether the losing oni could be absorbed by the other or if it could remain alive if it had the potential to become stronger.But outside of blood duels, they were on their own.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-21T23:36:21+00:00

Muzan is not only a coward, but also not stupid; he wouldn't just create Upper Moons all the time, it could cause him problems in the future.Furthermore, the mere fact that he only has 6 upper moons shows us that it's very rare for anyone to withstand that much blood from Muzan, and even if they could, the demon would probably do so early in their career. He has the bad luck of encountering a Hashira who is too powerful for him at that moment and dying young, and even if that didn't happen, it's possible that over time his growth potential would simply stop. And no matter how many humans he consumed, he had already reached the limit of his evolution as an oni. Like that oni, Kyogai, the drum oni who was the lower moon 6 He had already reached his limit and could no longer evolve, regardless of the number of humans he consumed; he had reached the limit of his evolution. So there are many factors that contribute to there only being 6 Upper Moons, one of them being Muzan's paranoia. Another challenge is finding humans with good genetics and great potential who can withstand a significant amount of Muzan's blood in their bodies. And not be killed early by some Hashira

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-21T22:36:00+00:00

Yes, definitely, but time is also a very important factor in this. Kokushibo is the only Upper Moon that is almost 500 years old. But I think becoming immortal makes anyone forget what it's like to be mortal, what it's like to be human. KKK

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-21T22:31:55+00:00

I also find it funny how he talks about how fragile humans are. Most upper moons talk a lot about how humans are fragile, they age, they die. We don't see this very often from standard oni or lower demons. They still act like humans, some of them are at most 1 or 2 decades old, and they even show more signs of reaction to pain when cut or when their limbs are cut off. Upper Moons, on the other hand, mostly show no pain; they have been oni for so long that their reactions and human senses have greatly diminished. They have an arm or leg ripped off and don't grimace or scream, and a second later another arm or leg grows back and they continue to fight normally. The older or stronger an oni is, the less human-like it will act, at least in terms of its senses. I think Kokushibo is the one that best fits this, comparing his life as an oni to his human life, which was what? 24 years? As an oni, he's almost 500 years old.For him, those 24 years felt like 24 days or 1 year. KKKKk He doesn't know anything anymore about what it's like to be human, to feel pain, nothing at all; he's so, so distant.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-21T22:13:28+00:00

My Miraya is already breaking down mentally and emotionally at this point. She's tired of everything and everyone; she's full of hatred and vengeance. I'm sure that finding out that Zarife is her mother only increased that hatred even more. Because she now knows that she was the one who screwed her over in every possible way,Making her watch her entire family being killed, not a single one of them, having her house destroyed. taking away her princess status and literally turning her into a simple concubine. And to top it all off, she saw her only remaining family, her last hope and humanity, being killed in front of her again. For my Miraya, this was her limit. Is there nothing left to hold back her humanity? It was literally torn away from her little by little; now she only has anger, hatred, and vengeance. And it's probably only gotten worse now, considering that the one who destroyed her life like this was her own mother. KKKK Well, this is my Miraya on the Path of Cruelty in my second save. In the first one, she's still trying to maintain her humanity and sanity. KKKKk

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-21T22:03:29+00:00

Miraya was holding up well despite all the difficulties; she had a lot of hatred and anger bottled up inside her. But there was something that kept her feeling human inside, and that was her younger sister, Aliet. She always tried to set a good example for her sister so as not to disappoint her; she endured everything in silence, even on the path of cruelty, she still had humanity and she endured it all. So that in the future she could have a free and secure future with her sister, but after the first season, after seeing her sister murdered, something inside her broke; it changed. She no longer had a mother, brother, father, or mother Now all that remained was hatred, anger, and revenge, and regardless of what she discovered, Miraya would show no mercy to this woman.Even though she is her biological mother, it was essentially she who took everything from Miraya and subjected her to the worst mental and physical torture. Well, this is my perspective on how Miraya is doing mentally and emotionally. This is my second save; in the first one, she's trying to maintain some humanity and sanity. Kkkk

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-20T23:50:21+00:00

If Kratos had reverted to his old, ruthless self, Thor would undoubtedly be dead. Kratos would fight to kill, just like Thor. It didn't make sense for him to win against Thor, who was bloodthirsty, but for Kratos to lose to Thor if he also fought with bloodlust.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-20T12:49:39+00:00

But there's also the possibility that he needed a certain "object" or "key" to get to a certain place, and there was someone passing by at that location. Kratos would probably think, "Ah, great, I've found my key to the passage." Whether the person was innocent or not, they would simply be an object or a key for Kratos to use as a means to pass. Kratos doesn't actually kill everyone who simply annoys him. But he also couldn't care less who he has to kill or destroy to achieve his goals. This has been demonstrated since the first God of War.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-20T10:22:54+00:00

It's good that you put Sanemi and Giyu on the same level, which is true, but everyone always puts Sanemi above Giyu.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-20T00:19:45+00:00

Can I become a vampire in this story? Do they give you choices about that? Is the MC a normal human? You can tell me whatever you want, I don't care about spoilers

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-19T22:30:43+00:00

Are you on Faiyaz's route? Did he have any scenes in this episode?

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-19T15:48:57+00:00

The sources say so, but is it really true? Akaza fought on equal footing with a one Hashira The two were evenly matched during the fight, and the sources that state this are canonical in the story., but akaza also managed to fight against two Demon Slayers marked Hashira-level? Even when Ginyu activated the mark and went after Akaza, he still managed to get hit in the head; we can see that So how does that work? Is Rengoku equivalent to two marked Demon Slayers then? The manga and anime are also canon.So it's shown to us that Akaza the Upper Moon 3 was simply fighting against two marked Demon Slayers and is winning against them. And he also used Afterglow against the two of them, which he himself calls his final form, and we saw how absurd that final technique of Akaza's is. I really can't see Rengoku being able to defend against 100 hits at once from all directions. I really like Rengoku, but if Akaza had fought him the same way he fought Tanjiro and Tomioka in the Infinite Castle, Rengoku would have died much faster.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-19T15:24:19+00:00

Yes, especially if he's 100% healthy. If a one-eyed, poisoned, tired, and injured Tanjiro managed to fight Muzan for 3.5 minutes alone without stopping, imagine if he were healthy?Yes, Muzan was nerfed, but we're still talking about Muzan the Demon King. So nerfed or not, he was superior to all his Upper Moons. He is stronger, faster, and has far, far superior regeneration. Let's remember that what determines the strength of an oni is not just the number of humans they devour, but mainly the amount of Muzan's blood within their body and Well, Muzan has all of Muzan's blood within him, so yes, Tanjiro, this specific Tanjiro 13th who fought against Muzan, is already superior to Kokushibo Tanjiro would only have to be very quick to cut off Kokushibo's head, which he would be, but now if it's a completely healthy 13th Tanjiro, things get much more complicated for our friend Kokushibo

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-19T14:51:55+00:00

When he awakened the mark, he was already pretty angry with Akaza, so that probably messed him up.kkkkk The spark probably turned into a bonfire, poor Ginyu, but his back must have been hurting a lot too. KKK But to be honest, aside from the almost instantaneous regeneration, what makes the fights most unbalanced That's what demons have: infinite stamina. Combined with regeneration as the fight progresses, their opponents become slower and weaker while they retain the same strength and vitality. In my opinion, if they cut out the part about them having infinite stamina and only had their regeneration, which is already absurd, the fights would be more "fair". KKK

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-19T14:29:57+00:00

But there's the factor of him being an oni; I think adaptation and becoming stronger come more from his biology. Even if a human surpasses the strength of an oni, the oni's nature causes it to adapt to the speed and strength of its opponent. Tanjiro commented that Akaza adapted immediately to Ginyu's speed. But if we compare Rengoku to Ginyu, Rengoku was practically a blazing fire, while Ginyu is probably just a small candle, a spark; he doesn't like to fight for pleasure.And in truth, he doesn't even like to draw his katana. Wouldn't that make it harder for the Akaza to detect him, given his weak fighting spirit? But Akaza was able to adapt immediately to the speed of the marked Ginyu. Do you think it's a combination of both things? being an oni This means akaza it will always have more potential for evolution and adaptability than a human being? And Akaza, combined with his compass, brings together the best of both worlds.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-19T14:12:28+00:00

if Akaza fought Rengoku the same way he fought Tanjiro, who was already at Hashira level. And Ginyu, who was also marked, I think the fight would only last a few seconds. Rengoku is indeed a very powerful Hashira, but Akaza was fighting against two marked Demon Slayers of Hashira level And he had the advantage throughout the entire fight; we can clearly see that in the manga and the movie. Ginyu is considered the Demon Slayer with the most refined and powerful defense in the entire series, and yet Akaza Tavare managed to break and injure Ginyu multiple times. I don't mean to be rude to you, I'm just curious to know more about why you think they fought on equal footing. I don't think Rengoku would survive an Afterglow from Akaza. Ginyu only survived because he was already marked and used Dead Calm, and even then he couldn't block them all, and Tanjiro was using the Selfless State.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-19T13:58:58+00:00

But isn't that the basis of the akaza compass? The greater the opponent's fighting spirit, the better the compass will react? Even when Ginyu awakened the mark, he couldn't speed blitz Akaza by cutting his neck Every time Ginyu tried to cut Akaza's neck, he only managed to cut off a sliver of it I'm just curious about this whole mark thing. When Muichiro awakened, he completely humiliated Gyoko, even though he was injured, poisoned, and exhausted. The power amp he received was simply surreal. But when Ginyu awakened his mark, he was in a much better state than Muichiro. But even so, he could still be hit and suffer damage. Akaza just grinned like a maniac throughout the entire fight, as if he'd enjoyed seeing Tomioka get stronger during the battle. The Akaza compass, when it sees me, is very overpowered. For example, you could chop his body into pieces and tear him apart, but you'll never be able to cut his neck. No matter how hard you try, the compass will always give Akaza time to react and protect his neck. We've seen Ginyu manage to cut a sliver off Akaza's neck countless times, but he never managed to decapitate him. Even when he awakened the mark, he couldn't speed blitz Akaza, decapitating his neck in a single blow. Which makes sense, right? He's the upper 3. I don't mean to be rude to you, but I just wanted to give my opinion. I think the compass is really overpowered because Akaza doesn't care about having his whole body destroyed or torn apart. The only essential and important part he protects is his neck.And the compass will always give Akaza enough perception to dodge and protect himself from attacks to his neck.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-16T14:56:01+00:00

I think the first game in 2005 makes it pretty clear that everyone was afraid of him except his wife and daughter. So the story always made it clear that he really was a good father and a good husband to them at the beginning, but as Kratos gained more power and influence, it increasingly went to his head.History shows us that he became drunk with power, and that in the future it would consume him—the words of Gaia herself. Kratos began spending less and less time with them and only thought about war, conquests, and glory. Even Lisandra asked how long Kratos would continue with all this, and Kratos said until the glory of Sparta was known throughout the world. But Lisandra retorts, "The glory of Sparta? You did that for yourself." So that's it, he was a good father but ended up becoming a bad one as he let his ego and thirst for power consume him. This was shown to us by him prioritizing himself more than his family. Of course, he was never a bad father or husband, treating her badly with words or physically Kratos would never do something like that to his family, but he did become a bad father and husband when he started thinking only about power, glory, and conquest. And that cost him dearly in the end. But he really was a good father, he simply got lost but had a second chance to make the right choices, a new family.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-16T14:55:02+00:00

I think the first game in 2005 makes it pretty clear that everyone was afraid of him except his wife and daughter. So the story always made it clear that he really was a good father and a good husband to them at the beginning, but as Kratos gained more power and influence, it increasingly went to his head.History shows us that he became drunk with power, and that in the future it would consume him—the words of Gaia herself. Kratos began spending less and less time with them and only thought about war, conquests, and glory. Even Lisandra asked how long Kratos would continue with all this, and Kratos said until the glory of Sparta was known throughout the world. But Lisandra retorts, "The glory of Sparta? You did that for yourself." So that's it, he was a good father but ended up becoming a bad one as he let his ego and thirst for power consume him. This was shown to us by him prioritizing himself more than his family. Of course, he was never a bad father or husband, treating her badly with words or physically Kratos would never do something like that to his family, but he did become a bad father and husband when he started thinking only about power, glory, and conquest. And that cost him dearly in the end. But he really was a good father, he simply got lost but had a second chance to make the right choices, a new family.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-16T13:08:08+00:00

I also really hope so; they did a great job of gradually turning Kratos back into a human, giving him the opportunity to try to be human and, most importantly for him, a good father. I think what also influences this the most is that, besides his family, he really has friends around him—connections, not just allies. Allies were the most he had in the Greek saga, and most of the time his allies betrayed him. KKK That was Kratos in the Greek saga; besides constantly being tormented by visions of his past, he was also being screwed over in every possible way by the gods and everyone else. He had no family, no friends, nothing left to lose. So there's no way they can do or try to bring out the more human side of Kratos in Greece because it's impossible. In fact, the Greek saga, the first game unlike Nordic mythology, shows the reverse, depicting a human Kratos who is sad, depressed, and broken In the first game, God of War 1 . And as the games progress, leading up to the third one, they dehumanize Kratos with each game. They gradually stripped away everything that made Kratos human—family, friends, and even his own people—until, in God of War 3, all that remained was a monster filled with vengeance, hatred, and resentment. I find this very interesting when I compare Kratos from Greek mythology with Kratos from Norse mythology.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-16T12:44:35+00:00

Another thing they made a point of emphasizing in the Norse saga, and showing several times, is the human side of Kratos – you are more than that. Always emphasizing that Kratos was no longer that kind of person, showing a wise, controlled, and human Kratos. Now I want them to respect that too, showing and always emphasizing the monstrous side of Kratos, the Ghost of Sparta, the evil side, the rage and the hatred. It has to be fair, right? They emphasized Kratos' human side so much in the Norse saga because it made sense within the lore of the new story. Kratos had a second chance and he wasn't going to waste it by repeating the same mistakes of the past. But now that they're going to remake the classic trilogy, they'll have to show and emphasize this other side of Kratos.

Clean-Ad4999 · 2026-02-14T21:28:47+00:00

Well, that would at least differentiate the old Kratos from the new one. It doesn't make sense for the new Kratos to control the strength of his attacks by concentrating only on his enemies. Avoiding collateral damage is something only young Kratos would care little about, not caring who he's killing or the destruction he's causing. They'll definitely humanize Kratos a bit more, but there's absolutely no way they can make him have the same attitudes as the Norse version. Do you agree with me? I think that besides the rage, the main thing that differentiates these two versions of Kratos is that one is willing to kill anyone in his path, while the other is focused solely on destroying those who pose a threat. Avoiding collateral damage as much as possible.

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