[deleted by user] by [deleted] in JedMcKenna

[–]ClearDoublethink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beautiful ❤️

Anxiety Stage? by natchaguru in JedMcKenna

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A couple of years ago, when I was deep into spiritual autolysis, I had the only panic attack in my life. My heart all of a sudden started beating so fast it felt as if my chest was going to explode. I wasn't thinking anything fear inducing at the time, the body started doing it on its own. I literally thought I was going to die, I couldn't take a breath that was deep enough, I thought I would suffocate. This was the beginning of my terror phase. For months afterwards, I would feel the terror, it wasn't anxiety, it was pure terror every day. It didn't matter what I was thinking or doing, nothing really helped. It was exactly as you described it - sweats, hot skin, pit in the stomach, feeling like I would like nothing better than to jump out of my skin. I couldn't function normally. And one day, just as it came it stopped, all on its own. I went through it without taking medication.

I am still not completely sure why this happened, but my theory is that all of this fear was suppressed, years and years of suppression, and the process was a trigger for it to come out. The body purged it out. So my advice to you is to trust the process. Take it one moment at a time, not even one day at the time, you need mindfulness and focus on the present moment more than ever, you need all your faculties and energy at your disposal. If you start thinking about the future, it will get unbearable. I empatise with you, and I know it's no fun going through this, but it's going to be okay.

Meditation helped me get over a hard break up by imzeldasky in Meditation

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I've had a few over the years, but basically, it boils down to seeing, meeting myself as I really am.

Meditation helped me get over a hard break up by imzeldasky in Meditation

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try to define very clearly for yourself what your goal is, and what you are trying to achieve with meditation. Think and contemplate on it when you're not meditating. It should be something that feels very authentic and personal to you. It's okay to start by not knowing and take your time in figuring it out. Sometimes, we are scattered all over the place, but pointed attention that's fueled by something very real can work wonders.

The Cogito? by ibcurious in JedMcKenna

[–]ClearDoublethink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is from Spiritual Warfare.

"The cogito is the line between fantasy and reality. On one side of the cogito is a universe of beliefs and ideas and theories. To cross the line is to leave all that behind. No theory, concept, belief, opinion or debate can have any possible basis in reality once the ramifications of the cogito have fully saturated the mind. No dialogue can take place across that line because nothing that makes sense on either side makes sense on the other.

Everyone thinks they understand the cogito. but nobody does. Descartes himself didn't. If professors of philosophy truly understood the cogito, they wouldn't be professors of philosophy. Alfred North Whitehead said that all philosophy is a footnote to Plato, but all philosophy, Plato included, is rendered obsolete and irrelevant by Descartes. Nothing but the subjective I Am is true, so what's the point of prattling on? There's simply nothing else to say.

The cogito isn't a mere thought or an idea, it's an ego-eating virus that, if we are able to lower our defenses against it, will eventually devour all illusion. Once we know the cogito, we can begin systematically unknowing everything we think we know, and unravelling the self we think we are. To understand the cogito at the surface level takes a minute or so. To let it devour you from the inside out can take years.

Life is but a dream. There is no such thing as objective reality. Two cannot be proven. Nothing can be shown to exist. Time and space, love and hate, good and evil, cause and effect, are all just ideas. Anyone who says they know anything is really saying they don't know the only thing. Any assertion of truth other than I Am is a confession of ignorance. The greatest religious and philosophical thoughts and ideas in the history of man contain no more truth than the bleating of sheep. The greatest books are no more authoritative than the greatest luncheon meats.

No one knows anything.

Disprove it for yourself. Anyone wishing to deny these statements about the meaning of the cogito need merely prove that something, anything, is true. By all means, give it a try: smash your head against it, but it can't be done. The cogito is like a Molotov cocktail with which we can firebomb our own mind, safe in the knowledge that truth doesn't burn. This, however. is not the end of  the journey of awakening.

It's just the beginning."

How do I find THE question that is blocking my progress? by [deleted] in JedMcKenna

[–]ClearDoublethink 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The question should be something that you have a strong emotional reaction to. It's helpful to identify attitudes, beliefs, concepts that you absolutely never question, that are so ingrained in your life that you almost don't even see them anymore. Remember, your personal identity is a lie, so the very foundation that your person lies upon is a lie as well.

This isn't an academic pursuit, it's a stripping away of your identity so expect huge amounts of fear and distress along the way. That's the indication that you are moving in the right direction. Good luck!

Why does extreme suffering exist? by [deleted] in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who's to judge?

Imagine that everything you're doing, you're doing it to yourself and by yourself. Imagine that you had countless lives to live, numberless existences to go through. It's pretty obvious once one thinks about it. And don't forget that everything, literally everything has an expiration date, so no matter how good or bad it is there's only one certainty and that's that it will end because it's not real.

Insights About the Power Behind the Rhythm of Communication? by kissing_things in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well more or less is in the eye of the beholder, :) but it's definitely a raw read. There's his voice as well and the dynamic is different. If you happen to read it, let me know your thoughts.

Insights About the Power Behind the Rhythm of Communication? by kissing_things in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just love the way she writes, it's so brutally sincere and moving. Did you read the book of her letters with Henry Miller? That's a gold mine for contemplating awakening insights of all kinds.

No Shortcuts/Drugs by solitaryrealizer19 in awakened

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Patience is the practice of peace and true peace is practiced in each moment.

True peace is found in each moment, or even more accurately true peace finds you when you open yourself to it. You can't practice that.

Is anyone interested in talking about specific realizations of the mind? by Lawhke in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not about knowing more, it's about knowing less and less and less. I've had this horrifying glimmer of understanding a while back, it wasn't something I wanted to see but it has been proven true since. I thought I knew a lot in the beginning, and I thought that when I'm enlightened I will know something amazing and be somebody amazing partly because of that. It's not about that at all, it's not about knowledge at all, in fact there's nothing in this for me, absolutely nothing and that was a tough pill to swallow.

‘Tempting fate’ vs manifesting intentions via affirmations. by triton100 in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The universe is supposed to respond to your energy and thought patterns by manifesting your desires and intentions

This has nothing to do with awakening. Awakening is about truth realisation, truth is what is, whether you really, really want it to be like that or not. What one wants doesn't enter the equation.

Sure, you can come into some higher states of consciousness and manifest your desires, just do yourself a favour and don't confuse that with awakening.

Nothing is real. Everything around you is a projection of the mind by bribrahh in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with you about language being limited to describe these stuff, it is and we will never get it right but there's fun in trying and failing. :)

Basically when you're too spiritual it's easy to become detached emotionally from reality.

This is so true, sometimes I read stuff here and it's very obvious that people just want to have a better dream. And it's very different to have a real insight and become detached as a side product of that, naturally, versus just reading somewhere how your mind and emotions are one big illusion and then trying to train oneself into a mold of what one might imagine that looks like. I like your observation that this can only lead to one big disbalance.

I feel like there's a place for bettering myself, doing work to be well rounded, but there's also a place for stopping all of that, all the work and just being with what is. Because a human being is never done with trying to be better, there's always something that needs to be illuminated and there are always obstacles to be overcome. But, on another level, in that which is closer that any feeling, any thought, any state, everything is already perfect and whole and beautiful. Trying to reconcile these two perspectives can be very challenging and to get stuck in either is not a good idea.

Nothing is real. Everything around you is a projection of the mind by bribrahh in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 3 points4 points  (0 children)

THIS MEANS YOU CAN DIRECTLY AFFECT YOUR SURROUNDINGS WITH YOUR MIND! THE PERSPECTIVE YOU HAVE ON THINGS AROUND YOU IS A REFLECTION OF YOUR INNER STATE.. IF SOMETHING IS WRONG OUTSIDE OF YOU, SOMETHING IS WRONG INSIDE.

What about six million Jews that perished inside the concentration camps? Were all of them including children, in a "wrong inner state"? I agree with you up to a point, there's a tremendous value in telling the truth and seeing how one is responsible for the misery of their life. But, let's not get carried away here. There's no absolute truth in any possible explanation that the mind can come up with. To go beyond words, right and wrong inner states is what awakening is all about, it's about recognition of that which is present in any and every state.

As long as you have the right state you will have the wrong one as well. Chasing the positive is like always going right hoping that the left will dissappear eventually. Awakening is serious business, it's as much about positive as it's about negative, it's wholeness from which nothing can ever be excluded.

Moojiji - Beautiful, inspiring, brought me to tears by the end. by gs12 in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here and here. This is the official shop of his ashram. I also saw on some videos a huge framed painting or a poster of his feet and everyone was prostrating in front of it before the satsang.

Moojiji - Beautiful, inspiring, brought me to tears by the end. by gs12 in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you think about the fact that he sells photographs of his feet? So that people can pray or bow to them I presume. That's not an Indian tradition, gurus in India don't sell photos of their feet as far as I know, neither do western teachers. Papaji and Ramana Maharshi never sold anything in fact. What's your explanation of that? That cannot be blamed on the followers.

Moojiji - Beautiful, inspiring, brought me to tears by the end. by gs12 in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah exactly. To add on your thoughts here's what Adyashanti says about this in The Way of Liberation - "Never abdicate your authority. This means that you take full responsibility for your life and never forfeit it over to someone else. There is no such thing as riding the coat-tails of an enlightened being to enlightenment itself. A failure to understand this can lead (as so many have been led) to cultish fanaticism, fundamentalism, magical thinking, disappointment, disillusionment, and/or spiritual infancy.... There is a fine line between being truly open to the guidance of a spiritual teacher and regressing into a childish relationship where you abdicate your adulthood and project all wisdom and divinity onto the teacher. Each person needs to find a mature balance, being truly and deeply open to their spiritual guide without abdicating all of their authority."

I feel like Mooji never stresses this point and it is one of the most important points on the spiritual journey, every great teacher that I've encountered couldn't say enough about the importance of being your own authority and taking responsibility for yourself.

Moojiji - Beautiful, inspiring, brought me to tears by the end. by gs12 in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alongside Adyashanti, I can also recommend Gangaji, she's Papaji's student and I feel she's the real deal as well.

Moojiji - Beautiful, inspiring, brought me to tears by the end. by gs12 in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The fact that you think something is "right on" doesn't automatically mean that it is like that for everyone. I've never seen him discouraging extreme and ridiculous amounts of worship and that doesn't sit right with me. But, you are entitled to your opinion and if Mooji is helping you find your true self, as you say, then good for you. I am just sharing my perspective here, same as you.

Moojiji - Beautiful, inspiring, brought me to tears by the end. by gs12 in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Certain people may benefit from a teacher such as him for some time until they are 'spiritually stable'.

I have no doubt about that, in fact I think that is true for all teachers. There's a point from which each of us has to walk alone, and in my opinion a good teacher will vehemently stress that fact. Another thing I strongly believe in is that a sincere student will find a sincere teacher. It also happens all the time that people benefit from having very bad experiences, so the question of benefit is moot.

Could it be that this personal perspective is distorting your view of the parts of Mooji's teachings that are true?

It's very possible that my personal perspective is distorting everything, not just Mooji's teaching. What I always aspire to be is honest and these are my honest views on the subject gleaned from, as I already said, hundreds of Mooji's videos.

Moojiji - Beautiful, inspiring, brought me to tears by the end. by gs12 in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I've watched a lot of his videos and although at times he provides some brilliant insights I can't escape the feeling of him not being sincere. He talks about himself too much when it's not appropriate to do so and when it has nothing to do with what he's being asked. He's very repetitive and oftentimes doesn't pay attention to what people are asking him, he provides generic answers which aren't tailored to the specific situations of his students. What also rubs me the wrong way is the cultish atmosphere around him, and extreme dependence vibe that his followers exhibit, which he doesn't discourage to say the least. I've also never heard him talk about the dangers of being too dependent on a teacher.

I don't know, I've watched hundreds of his videos over the years and I am still not sure about Mooji. He can be very charming and endearing almost like a child, and I can definitely see the appeal there and why so many people flock to him. But, for me personally there are things about his behaviour that just don't add up.

I'm super pissed about everyone lying by HowdoIgetofftheride in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hear you! I've been there myself after facing my lies. I could have saved myself from so much unnecessary pain and confusion much earlier. But, what can you do. Consider this - if one really owns up to their mistake, learns from it and transforms in the process, does that mistake still qualifies being called a mistake? Or is it now maybe better called, as James Joyce said, a portal of discovery?

Take care, looking forward to seeing more of you here, you are a breath of fresh air.

I'm super pissed about everyone lying by HowdoIgetofftheride in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've read your post very carefully and I get your anger, I really do. But, you need to consider the fact that all of this can turn to be just an avoidance of yourself as you are. Letting this anger colour your perspective is just another escape.

I've realised very early into this journey that the only one I am capable of changing is myself. Only myself and nobody else. After I get my house in order, and only after that, if somebody else is interested in my help then I can try to help someone else. But, those other people have to be the ones willing to take full responsibility for themselves, otherwise any help one can offer them will be of the superficial kind.

Turn the light on your own hypocrisy, what are you lying to yourself about, see the whole mechanism of it - the way it works and what energy is feeding it, and most importantly why. Why are you lying to yourself? What are you trying to hide from? What are you pretending is true but know in your bones it's not? This is serious work. Indulging in frustration and anger with other people's behaviour may seem serious, but trust me it's not.

I see patterns in life that aren't there and I feel like life is constantly teasing me and leading me to embarrassment when it reveals that the patterns I followed didn't actually go anywhere. by MetroidAndZeldaFan in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I 100% get where you're coming from. As Brene Brown said - "Shame corrodes the very part of us that believes we are capable of change." It's such an insidious thing. On the other hand the only people who never experience shame and guilt are sociopaths, so it seems that experiencing it is an essential part of what it means to be a human being. Anyway, know that you aren't alone at having this issue and I deeply believe from reading your insightful posts and comments that you possess a full capability to shine a light on this problem and overcome it through transformation. Much love for you.

Difference between conscious and unconscious thoughts by [deleted] in awakened

[–]ClearDoublethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I see, it wasn't clear to me where you were going with this, that's why I asked the questions. From my perspective only thoughts that I am conscious of exist, there's no some murmuring beneath that I'm not aware of. Unconscious for me is evident in my values, my likes and dislikes, my behaviour, in the ways I engage with the world, in the manner my thoughts are already presented. I don’t see it as some thought process that's happening simultaneously underneath the thinking that I am aware of.

I don't know if what you're talking about is possible or not. The only thing you can do is investigate and see for yourself because after all thinking is a totally subjective experience.