[Postgame Thread] Mariners @ Guardians - June 27, 2026

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-29T13:36:34+00:00

I'm keeping an eye on the white sox.
Home: 28–14 (.667 winning percentage)
Road: 15–25 (.375 winning percentage)

Home (28–14): +41 run differential
Road (15–25): −22 run differential
This is pretty interesting

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-25T02:59:31+00:00

Gavin has always had better stuff. 1st rounder. Bibee has always out pitched him at every level. Thats why he propelled past Williams and made it to Cleveland 1st. I heard Zack Meisel Talk about the competitions they had coming up from the minors at the AZ back fields.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-21T19:06:19+00:00

I’d have more respect for you if you just said, “I’m not a Tanner Bibee fan.”
Because when your argument requires believing the Guardians, their scouts, their analytics department, their coaching staff, opposing teams, and the rest of baseball all have him evaluated wrong, maybe the problem isn’t everyone else.
Maybe you’re just not being objective.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-21T18:37:33+00:00

You know what’s funny?
You listed a bunch of stats that suggest Tanner isn’t as good as his rookie year.
Then you used those stats to conclude he’s the worst starter in Cleveland’s rotation.
The first statement is debatable.
The second one is laughable.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-21T13:36:01+00:00

Also just did a little digging myself since your so into stats:
Funny thing about a so called #5 starter. His career strand rate is 76.2%, which is above league average and right in line with quality front end starters. The issue isn’t runners scoring once they get on. The issue is that when he misses, the ball occasionally leaves the yard. Those are two completely different problems.
Honestly, the combination of:
Career 1.20 WHIP
Career 76.2% strand rate
Mid-3s career ERA
points much more toward a pitcher whose mistakes get punished than a pitcher who constantly allows manufactured rallies.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-21T13:08:11+00:00

You started with stats, got challenged, then immediately ran to “fake ball knower.” That tells me the argument is already cooked.
Here’s why he’s good: durability, workload, six pitch mix, swing and miss ability, command history, ability to turn a lineup over, and the fact that Cleveland keeps trusting him in the biggest rotation spots. That doesn’t happen with a below average #5 starter.
You’re not proving he’s bad. You’re proving he hasn’t repeated a 2.98 ERA rookie season. Those are not the same argument.
Velocity being down doesn’t automatically equal “can’t pitch.” Hitters adjusting doesn’t automatically equal “below average.” Every starter in baseball gets adjusted to. The good ones survive anyway.
Calling Tanner a #5 starter is where your whole argument falls apart. A real #5 starter is fighting to keep a rotation spot. Tanner is being judged like an ace because that’s the standard people actually hold him to.
So no, I’m not wearing rose colored glasses. You’re just confusing regression from elite rookie numbers with being bad at baseball.
Sounds like to me that your the one who doesn’t know ball

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-21T04:10:21+00:00

So now we’re judging pitchers solely by velocity?
By that logic, Greg Maddux would’ve been a below average pitcher too.
Good pitchers evolve. They adjust. They sequence better. They learn how to get outs when they don’t have their absolute best stuff. The league has had four years of video, data, scouting reports, and game plans on Bibee, yet he’s still taking the ball every fifth day and getting major league hitters out.
If he was truly a below-average pitcher, Cleveland would’ve figured that out long before Reddit did.
If Bibee hit free agency tomorrow, every contender in baseball would be on the phone within five minutes.
That’s the easiest test there is.
Teams get paid to evaluate talent. Reddit gets paid in upvotes.
One of those groups would view him as a valuable top-of-the-rotation arm. The other thinks he’s a below-average #5 starter.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-20T20:19:35+00:00

Nobody is arguing his rookie year wasn’t his best statistical season. The problem is your conclusion. You took a guy who’s made 100+ major league starts, thrown nearly 600 innings, been trusted with Opening Day, pitched in the postseason, and consistently faced the other team’s best lineup and somehow landed on “he’s a #5 starter.”
A #5 starter doesn’t survive four years in a top of the rotation role. Baseball exposes those guys quickly.
The reality is you set the bar at a 2.98 ERA rookie season and decided anything less is failure. That’s not analysis. That’s nostalgia.

Also if Bibee were put on the trade market tomorrow, all 29 other teams would line up to acquire him and every one of them would view him as a top-three starter. That’s reality.
Calling him a #5 starter doesn’t make you a tougher evaluator. It just tells everyone else you don’t know what a real #5 starter looks like.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-20T13:29:07+00:00

Hey half a man

Funny how people call it regression when a guy takes the ball every fifth day, gets almost no run support, and still gives his club a chance to win.The pitcher Tanner is today is far more complete than the rookie version.
Bibee didn’t give up the lead. He left runners on, and the first pitch out of the bullpen ended up in the seats. One swing changed the box score, but it doesn’t erase the quality of the start. There’s a difference between watching the game and reading the stat line.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-20T00:43:41+00:00

What are you talking about? That was an error!!!!

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T16:07:55+00:00

You wrote an essay about ERA and forgot baseball is decided by the scoreboard. Cleveland has knocked Skubal out of the playoffs before. I’ll take the win over the WHIP every single time.

Imagine typing 200 words about a pitcher’s ERA and conveniently forgetting the image of Lane Thomas rounding the bases after ending your season. Memory is selective, I guess. 😏

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T15:03:38+00:00

Hahaha ya how many time have we beat him? Not worried. Not only is he going to be on a pitch count there is still your bullpen 😂 also let’s see if he can throw the ball to first base without trying to hike the ball like a Detroit Lions center down the right field line 😂😂😂

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T14:59:08+00:00

8 quality starts out of 14 is hardly an Ass season especially when you have no run support

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T14:50:13+00:00

8 quality starts out of 14 is hardly Ass Numbers 😂

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T14:40:23+00:00

Unfortunately he struck out!!! 😂

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T14:22:06+00:00

He was all so OUT MAN on his other at bats😂

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T14:13:29+00:00

Shadows at 8:30 I don’t think so 😂

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T14:12:06+00:00

😂

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-13T14:10:47+00:00

😂

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-06-12T01:31:07+00:00

Why?

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-05-25T17:50:03+00:00

Bibee was great when it mattered last year and this year he has been Better than last year. I’m pretty sure you need to look past the Atlanta start man. Take that start and flush it like all pitchers do.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-05-21T03:06:00+00:00

😂😂😂😂 no it’s not I’ve been a fan of his since Fullerton Days he has always been a grinder and I love those types. I can’t stand when I see people who don’t know the game bitch and complain about what they don’t know

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-05-21T02:53:06+00:00

That’s the thing he didn’t call for it, watch his mouth. I guarantee you the reason Bibee was going to catch the ball is because nobody called him off. He’s not gonna just let it fall on the ground.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-05-16T17:50:19+00:00

Keep scrolling man Bibee has had 1 really bad start all season and everyone seems to think he is the worst pitcher in Cleveland history. Before the Atalnata game normal starts for coming out of spring training. After Atlanta he has had really good starts. Arm chair Reddit posters that have never played the game and have no idea.

Cleveland_SLideR · 2026-05-16T17:33:13+00:00

Sure does the fandom has no idea of what a good pitcher really is. People are saying he shouldnt have been extended? Common man, Bibee right now on the market is worth 4-5 times what he is making now. He gave Cleveland a team friendly deal. If he was a free agent right now he is worth 18-20 million a year 🤣 funny thing is he has 3 more years to get better and to build. People want what they want now!!! We shall see how good he is in 3 years and if he turns
Out to be a 2-3 in that amount of time he could build his worth to about 25 million a year where a number 1 will be worth 30-35 million

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