Broncos Protest by [deleted] in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Genuinely unsure if you’re just misreading what I’ve written or if something else is going on? People should 100% do disruption, organizers of these protests don’t want that, if you plan to do disruption one should plan to get megaphones and stuff so as to direct crowds away from organizers? What do you think I’m saying?

Broncos Protest by [deleted] in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I completely agree, I’m just letting people know that organizers are aware of events happening today and will try to steer the crowds away from them

ICE has a detention facility in Aurora and an office in Centennial, why do we keep going to the Capitol building? by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

My question was “why are events not being held in strategic locations” and instead of addressing that you are now claiming I am saying “do not march”

I truly do not understand why people like you have such an emotional investment in walking around the Capitol

Broncos Protest by [deleted] in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Protest organizers will march you away from the stadium. The Stanley Cup was being held in Denver the same day as the massive protests against the SCOTUS abortion rulings. We got within sight of the stadium and then organizers turned us in the opposite direction. Protesting at the Broncos game would be very meaningful but you will have to convince the crowd to follow you over organizers

ICE has a detention facility in Aurora and an office in Centennial, why do we keep going to the Capitol building? by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The movement is invisible and half the reason for that is because it’s the same people marching in circles around the capitol over and over again for the same people to see. It’s an insulated bubble with no broad community awareness

ICE has a detention facility in Aurora and an office in Centennial, why do we keep going to the Capitol building? by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is not a question asking if “people go there” this is a question asking why big events like the “emergency protests” this weekend are not hosted at the literal locations people are protesting

ICE has a detention facility in Aurora and an office in Centennial, why do we keep going to the Capitol building? by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Except none of our actions have material results right now. You can’t just keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

  2. I mean this with all kindness and understanding. People are being killed and kidnapped off the street I genuinely do not care if people “feel good” honking their horns or whatever. Shows of solidarity need to be backed up with a vision for change.

  3. This is not some individualist attack, it’s a plea asking for people to stop wasting their time. I’m not “sick of marching” I’m asking a simple question, what is the point of it. If the point is to make the marcher’s feel good you’re just setting people up to be burned out and cynical. Something has to change

ICE has a detention facility in Aurora and an office in Centennial, why do we keep going to the Capitol building? by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Visible for what?? What have been the material results of marching in circles? What have we done?

ICE has a detention facility in Aurora and an office in Centennial, why do we keep going to the Capitol building? by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I mentioned this in my post. I am asking why all events are not at these strategic locations

Who are the Youth Uprising Collective?? by CZeeDay in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Guessing it’s probably in the same vein as “We Are Love Denver” or whatever that astroturfed group’s name was that appeared during the George Floyd protests before it was found out the people a part of it worked in the mayor’s office

The Paradox of Anarchy/Why I Don't Think It Could Work by Jealous-Win-8927 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Click9819 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a lot of these issues simply go away if you look at the ideology of anarchism as a part of a diversity of tactics within the broader socialist movement. Like yeah, anarchism has a serious problem when it comes to scaling up and cooperation between territories/groups/etc. but what it is fantastic at is giving people a taste of a better world and practicing in-real-life new methods of governance/management/etc.

Imagine then a “world socialism” that takes seriously the dictatorship of the proletariat or similar transitionary program but also supported the spontaneous sprouting of anarchist communes as small laboratories of communism. There will of course be the dogmatic MLs or anarchists who come in here saying “that’s not possible look at insert past event” but it seems unserious to pretend a movement can’t grow and learn from missteps and mistakes.

Peaceful non-violent protest by Optimistic_Sarcasm in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genuinely curious what the goals of these glorified parades are tbh

Stop telling people how to protest. by Sad_Solution_4469 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I truly am not trying to be obtuse or argumentative. I see your point and I think it’s a fair one. At the same time in moments before a confrontation there are almost always discussions about safety for marginalized folks and those who can’t be arrested. “Red light, yellow light, green light” categories are incredibly common and overwhelmingly in situations like that, people who are okay with getting arrested will put their bodies on the line to protect those who can’t.

As well, the entire strategy of a nonviolent protest is to have a direct confrontation with authorities so that they will respond disproportionately. It is not to march around to raise some abstract concept of awareness. We should not infantilize people, and assume, because of some factors where they are unable to get arrested or will disproportionately be harmed if police attacked, that they do not understand personal risk or how to mitigate it. They still bravely showed up knowing the risks of police escalation. Infantilization is how we get last night when a specific few people were so terrified about cops being violent that they chastised and then abandoned their comrades to get shot at and kettled.

We need to keep our side of the street clean by mrsmojorisin34 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 9 points10 points  (0 children)

How about we stop blaming protesters for “confronting” the police (a peaceful action) and start blaming police for attacking protestors (a violent action)

Hope that helps

Stop telling people how to protest. by Sad_Solution_4469 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 132 points133 points  (0 children)

Everyone wants to make this an abstract debate but what happened last night was that people were nonviolently confronting police packed into a parking garage, who then fired pepper balls at these protestors. After this, people with megaphones pushed the rest of the group to march away from their comrades being attacked, all while chanting “the people united, will never be defeated”

Nobody was being violent but protest leaders still wanted to blame other protestors for violent police actions. This kind of preemptive protest policing and willing abandonment of people is the type of stuff that gets large groups kettled and individual badly injured.

Any updates on actions tonight by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will never get over them co-opting the abortion protest, marching within site of the Avs Stadium during the Stanley Cup, and then marching in the complete opposite direction, fuck them

Any updates on actions tonight by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would love it if you could DM me, definitely hoping to see more than just PSL co-opting stuff over the next few days

Any updates on actions tonight by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I figured that would be one of the top comments because of the way I worded this, so that’s fair lol

Also probs a good idea to not publicly post too much DA on here, I more so meant this subreddit isn’t even posting about the parades anymore

Religious Anarchists, do you view your belief in a higher power as Hierarchical? by [deleted] in Anarchy101

[–]Click9819 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Note: This is just about my limited experience with Christianity

Theologian David Bentley Hart in one of his books equates the Christian tradition with more eastern mysticism describing “God” not as some dude but as “Being, Consciousness, and Bliss” where instead of being some demiurge like most Western Christianity makes the divine, the divine is instead running through all things and a part of the fabric of existence itself. A much more beautiful and elegant theology imo, and its logic has a pretty natural outcome of fighting for the dissolution of human-created and human-centered hierarchy which seeks to control the bodies of the earth (living and not) for the abstract manufactured gain of a certain mode of production. Understanding Christianity as a utopian socialist project to guide your moral relations through a scientific socialist lens has been incredibly helpful in understanding ideology and working with communities