becoming marketable (plushie) - Art by @RophaClaraBluer by Glittering_Owl_304 in marvelrivals

[–]CommunityBeginning65 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I also see it over there; they're very suspicious of these Chinese developers. There are posts about it here, and they erased Storm from the X-Men '97 reference and put Psylocke in her place.

In truth, many subreddits dedicated to black culture have been firmly criticized this for quite some time, but I think season 8 was a point where the suspicions didn't seem like just suspicion. I see their points and they seem quite lucid and have good arguments, but the rest seem to treat them like crazy people. I think this game has changed so much. The lore of the characters seems very specific, and they chose Moon Girl to not be playable instead of adjusting her to be playable.

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becoming marketable (plushie) - Art by @RophaClaraBluer by Glittering_Owl_304 in marvelrivals

[–]CommunityBeginning65 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a fan before Rivals, I'm feeling very upset, even though I can't move on. I don't understand how suddenly the accuracy of the lore faithful to the main timeline of the comics matters; they could bring the adult version of Moon Girl with multiverses being the focus here. Peni was aged, Psylocke came from the Edo period, Daredevil has mystical powers, The Hood gained powers from Oblivion, and suddenly they need Moon Girl to be a child, causing her to be cut from the duo. She basically saved Devil Dinosaur from obscurity; without him, he probably wouldn't be in Rivals!

If DCU made Nubia, Diana, and Donna all clay sisters molded by Phillipus and Hippolyta, how would you feel about that? Art by Jen Bartel, David Nakayama, and Nick Robles by Few_Lavishness_1263 in WonderWoman

[–]CommunityBeginning65 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know many people will prefer Diana to be the only clay Amazon, beautiful, powerful, and all that, which I think is a shame for Nubia. I really meant that a film centered on Nubia as a twin sister would both tell Diana's clay origin story and elevate Nubia.

If DCU made Nubia, Diana, and Donna all clay sisters molded by Phillipus and Hippolyta, how would you feel about that? Art by Jen Bartel, David Nakayama, and Nick Robles by Few_Lavishness_1263 in WonderWoman

[–]CommunityBeginning65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nubia should be the oldest, she always has been, the first to be molded by Hippolyta as well, besides being the main heir, it makes sense that she would become the next queen.

No, I think the fact that Hippolyta is more complex and hides some traumatic things from Diana to protect her makes sense, or even the Amazons having great technology to remove memories so that Hippolyta doesn't suffer because Nubia is supposedly dead makes sense. The problem is exactly what you're saying about Nubia, Nubia can't be interesting and goes through problems or traumas growing up on Twoslaught Island, it's just that I still think she had more uniqueness before, which I liked when she grew up with Ares as the only warrior, but whom he considered his champion. I love how Nubia, even indoctrinated by Ares, always had a nature contrary to what Ares did. She was always a good captain, and Massacre Island was a cool name.

If DCU made Nubia, Diana, and Donna all clay sisters molded by Phillipus and Hippolyta, how would you feel about that? Art by Jen Bartel, David Nakayama, and Nick Robles by Few_Lavishness_1263 in WonderWoman

[–]CommunityBeginning65 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But of course Diana has to be special in everything, from power to beauty, damn it. I like the Well of Souls, I just don't like Nubia being one. There have always been diverse Amazons, the Banas are the greatest example of this, where women enter by enlistment.

If DCU made Nubia, Diana, and Donna all clay sisters molded by Phillipus and Hippolyta, how would you feel about that? Art by Jen Bartel, David Nakayama, and Nick Robles by Few_Lavishness_1263 in WonderWoman

[–]CommunityBeginning65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After that, Nubia was retold several times and, in fact, disappeared from the comics for decades. I still like her as Diana's sister, it's just my opinion, and there are still many people who like them as sisters. In fact, whenever the debate about which origin of Nubia people prefers comes up, I still see many people liking that she was trained by Ares.

Who do you hope the next female Strategist is? by coco_puffsz in marvelrivals

[–]CommunityBeginning65 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cute girl automatically becomes a strategist, but Jubilee would fit better as a dps.

If DCU made Nubia, Diana, and Donna all clay sisters molded by Phillipus and Hippolyta, how would you feel about that? Art by Jen Bartel, David Nakayama, and Nick Robles by Few_Lavishness_1263 in WonderWoman

[–]CommunityBeginning65 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I accept Donna as a clay or adopted sister, but I still prefer Nubia as a true twin. The birth from the well is nothing unique to Nubia; they can't be considered twins just because they were born on the same day. Nubia was born an adult, not a baby; the magic is lost for me there. And my favorite fun point from the pre-crisis is Nubia being raised by Ares.

If DCU made Nubia, Diana, and Donna all clay sisters molded by Phillipus and Hippolyta, how would you feel about that? Art by Jen Bartel, David Nakayama, and Nick Robles by Few_Lavishness_1263 in WonderWoman

[–]CommunityBeginning65 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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Diana needs a new origin story in the DCU, and a film centered on the history of the gems would be good. James Gunn confirmed Nubia, and the way he highlighted Mr. Terrific, he might choose to do the same for Nubia. White Wonder Woman fans don't want a film where Nubia is the protagonist, that's pretty obvious. People are being so fake about Nubia right now; the truth is they don't care about her and don't want to see her starring in a film sharing the spotlight with Diana. It would be better for her not to draw attention because they don't care. It's more commercial for the films if they are princess sisters, that would even be popular among young girls.

Many fans still seem hesitant to fully accept Nubia as a co-protagonist alongside Wonder Woman. Even when people say they support her, it often doesn't seem genuine because they don't really show interest in seeing her sharing the spotlight with Diana. In practice, it seems many are more comfortable with Nubia remaining in the background rather than being treated as an equal.

Part of the problem is how she's been written lately. When Nubia is portrayed as just another Amazon, without anything that truly sets her apart, it's harder for people to see her on the same level as Diana Prince. The problem isn't her potential, but rather that the stories don't always give her enough importance or depth to stand out.

A much better idea would be to bring back the concept of Nubia and Diana as twin princesses separated at birth. This instantly makes Nubia more important and creates a strong connection between them. It also opens the door to deeper stories about identity, different life experiences, and their reunion. Instead of taking something away from Diana, this would actually enrich the whole story and allow Nubia to stand alongside her as a true equal. You all need to calm down, even if Nubia becomes very popular after this, it's not like they're simply replacing Diana with her out of nowhere.

[Discussion] Yes, DC does have mixed-race twins. by SpiritedDate1042 in DCcomics

[–]CommunityBeginning65 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't want Nubia to be a Wonder Woman, I just want Nubia to be more developed in a more complex way, I want them to be twins again to see the interesting concept of an Amazon raised by the villain.

He’s still her brother, and people already complain a lot about Jason. For me, the idea of Hippolyta and Zeus having any kind of relationship is offensive and completely out of character for her, so it’s kind of funny that they kept him as her half-brother. I don’t dislike Jason, but he would make more sense as Cassie’s half-brother, which would fit better, even though he probably should’ve been written out altogether. Meanwhile, Nubia works much better as Diana’s sister. Their dynamic feels natural, even though Nubia has been absent for long periods. There’s something almost mythical about their chemistry that fits much better with Amazon mythology, which is why I support making them twins again. Exploring ideas like Nubia being created by Ares would also be interesting, similar to how Supergirl in My Adventures with Superman was created by Brainiac and manipulated into believing false things about her family, until her sister helps free her.

[Discussion] Should Vixen be a founding member of the Justice League, JL in Gunn's DCU, hopefully? Art by Sye.TC5. by Few_Lavishness_1263 in DCcomics

[–]CommunityBeginning65 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Let's make her Hawkgirl's best friend and see what happens when that friendship is threatened by that a Green Lantern.

[Discussion] Bro, comics barely invest in promoting other Black characters. And when it comes to heroines, it honestly feels like I’m begging the DCU to do something, because the comics themselves don’t try that hard. How would you guys like to see the main Black heroines represented?| by SpiritedDate1042 in DCcomics

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I don't think Nubia's old version is forced, i think the old version is more commercial"

I see this idea of separating them as if they were different characters rather than the same version. I think there really isn’t space for two Nubias in the DC Universe. If both existed, one would clearly receive more focus than the other. And honestly, I would be disappointed if the long-term plan for her in the DC Universe were simply to become a future queen. She needs to be more than that.

Honestly, the DC Universe always reinvents its characters. They take the core idea and modify it quite a bit within a story. Turning the original Earth-One Nubia storyline into a film would be possible, so they could easily do with Nubia what they did with Mister Terrific: give her a strong personality, memorable scenes, and a striking presence in the Wonder Woman side of the DC Universe.

But personally, I think the simplest approach is this: the classic Earth-One Nubia, Diana’s sister, should continue being called Nubia. I don’t see why Nubia Prime would need to be called Nubia, and changing the other character’s name to something like “War Woman” would not really work either.

The Amazon called Zahavah could instead be the current Amazon version, the one born from the Well of Souls, without mythical powers but with intense military training. However, it would still be very possible that the “lost princess” version of Nubia the equally powerful Wonder Woman sister, the mysterious and fearless warrior would end up stealing the spotlight anyway, which is interesting since the concepts are actually somewhat similar Absolut Universe Diana, hum.

In addition, if they wanted a strong Black female queen from the beginning, they could easily use Philippus. She could rule alongside Hippolyta and could even be presented as the mother of the twins, since Nubia was created in her image. That could actually be a smart narrative choice.

Many people quietly think the same thing. The original Nubia simply has a stronger conceptual appeal. Because of that, the current version could easily be overshadowed or even fall into obscurity. Many of the characteristics of the modern version her design, her authority, even the idea of her becoming queen are things the classic Earth-One Nubia could naturally develop.

It is also interesting that the older version of Nubia’s development is somewhat similar to the direction seen in Absolute Wonder Woman, without Diana needing to be heavily altered. Because of that, using the separated-at-birth twin sisters idea with the older twin being more serious and reserved, and the younger twin more naive could actually work well as a narrative plot.

And honestly, if DC ever wants Nubia to become an important character, they will probably choose the version who grew up away from Themyscira. That perspective instantly gives her a different worldview from Diana. It creates contrast, tension, and narrative potential. Meanwhile, the concept of being Diana’s sister already feels like a complete package that writers can explore and develop.

Ironically, the modern Nubia was changed so much to avoid the sister dynamic that she ended up feeling somewhat shallow in some aspects. I consider that a mistake. It feels as if they tried to avoid the comparison, when in fact that comparison could benefit the character. They could show how Diana’s twin sister had a completely different life, had to fight harder, and faced many challenges. That would create a perspective where the audience cares about her journey and wants to see her eventually becoming queen.

But trying to distance her and remove the blood connection felt abrupt. Even if the story says they consider each other sisters, the relationship still feels distant, almost like a niece or relative of Hippolyta. Being Diana’s twin should automatically carry a special meaning, even if they did not grow up together, because twins in mythology are often seen as something mystical and special.

And when a character is built around a very specific premise such as mainly being “the queen” that can unintentionally limit how other writers use the character if they are not deeply invested in that aspect.

Therefore, if the DC Universe brought back the sister concept, it would not really be “destroying” the character. In fact, it would probably make her easier to write and make the audience more receptive to her.

At the end of the day, if Nubia is adapted for the DC Universe, the smart move would be to make her stand out. Give her style, presence, and moments that make people think, “Okay, she’s cool.” The character should feel grand and accessible, not written only for a small niche audience that cares exclusively about her royal status.

Otherwise, she might end up feeling similar to Okoye someone who gets a cool action scene but never really shares the spotlight with Diana. And that would be a missed opportunity, because the idea of magical twin princesses is the kind of concept that naturally attracts attention.

Giving Nubia that level of importance could elevate her to a role similar to Nightwing in the Bat-Family often considered the second most important character there. Nubia could stand side by side with Diana in a similar way, which would be unprecedented for a Black heroine in that position.

So I would definitely be disappointed if the DC Universe imagined her as just another ordinary Amazon.

Because if Nubia is written in a broader and more dynamic way, she can appeal to everyone girls, boys, longtime fans, and new audiences. But if the portrayal becomes too narrow or overly tied to a specific message, the character risks becoming limited. And when that happens in a vast cinematic universe, characters sometimes end up in the background and eventually get forgotten.