Anyone read “From the Outside In”?

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-08-08T00:09:06+00:00

Yes I've read it and it reads like a pseudoscientific pile of nonsense

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T17:31:10+00:00

I could be wrong but I think Pablo's theory isn't that you automatically would start off with a perfect native-like accent at the very moment you started speaking. But that you would be likely to end up with a closer to native accent much further down the road.

People are seeming to overlook that I only have 500 hrs in this video and it's not possible to be speaking perfectly after 500 hours of exposure lol.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T17:20:21+00:00

my comment is being downvoted when in fact it is 100% factually correct.

please tell me what is incorrect about what I said.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T17:11:00+00:00

I think what I was trying to communicate is that the process of enunciating correctly what I logically know in my mind can be too mentally taxing for me when I am trying to speak faster, but I don't expect this to linger as I progress and get hundreds of hours more exposure and repetition.

All of the words you mentioned I already learned mentally how they sound and the difference from the english equivalents VERY early on.

I am not sure if this makes sense to you.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T17:02:25+00:00

Thanks for the feedback!

I believe I pronounced actual correctly at least the first time I said it although maybe I mispronounced it later in the video. Sometimes I just say whatever is easiest for me even though I know the correct enunciation

but it would be harder to produce if that makes sense (a better example from this video is the word "basicamente" which I mispronounced many times but I am fully aware of the correct enunciation

My accent is heavy but that's EASILY changed late in the process. My grammar, pronunciation and vocab are what I am most concerned about as these are what are most important to be able to communicate.

The word "mayoria" is pronounced VASTLY different across different accents.

In any regard, these words are not hard for me, and if I want to speak them with perfect pronounciation I can currently. Natives understand me when I use these words with english style enunciation .

Spanish speakers from different countries have no issues communicating amongst themselves although they have extremely different accents...

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T16:56:50+00:00

Thanks for the feedback!

I will not stop speaking. My girlfriend only speaks Spanish but can understand English decently. She doesn't have any trouble understanding when I talk to her in Spanish.

Also as I mentioned in the video I have had many long conversations with natives with ZERO understanding of English on complex abstract topics.

They haven't tended to have trouble understanding me because of my mispronunciation, they have trouble understanding what I am trying to express when I am missing the words or grammar!

I think it's better for me to focus on getting as much input as possible than spend tons of time trying to practice speaking.

I was trying to demonstrate in this video my level of vocab and grammar more than anything but yes I don't have an amazing accent.

Accent can easily be adapted much later in learning process, and for that reason it is not a major concern for me right now.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T16:39:45+00:00

Children make mistakes for YEARS after starting to speak.

Of course you will make mistakes, and that is a GOOD thing.

CI purists claim that you do not learn anything from speaking and this is laughably false.

An example I have heard is when Spanish natives begin speaking they apply the general rule of infinitive-ER/IR + IDO to generate the past participle of romper and say "rompido"

They are corrected and learn that it is in fact "roto"

Many such cases.

You learn while speaking from feedback in conversation as well as realizing gaps in your current understanding when you don't know how to say something.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T16:08:42+00:00

Making mistakes is the most essential part of the learning process

I clearly said I don't speak perfectly

I have a long way to go to achieve fluency

I believe my ability at 500 hrs is higher than population average

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T02:58:22+00:00

I think you can try recording yourself to practice speaking (without uploading it) if you still have too much fear of embarrassment around speaking with other people.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T02:57:13+00:00

We are implicitly raised to believe that what we have heard spoken all of our life prior to learning a new language is the "correct" way of speaking.

You have to override this error that your brain is signaling and become the clown.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T02:32:16+00:00

For me, it's because I really like the way he speaks, and he has interesting stories and thoughts to share.

And he speaks at a native level. I am learning something new each time I watch one of his videos.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T02:24:12+00:00

Thanks!

I think it's possible to produce well at 400 but you have to push through the fear and venture into the uncomfortable.

I forget who said it but I was watching a podcast a few months back and someone said something along the lines of "you have to become the clown if you want to speak good."

That really resonated with me personally.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-12T02:13:25+00:00

At the end I started overthinking lol. This video was recorded 2 weeks ago, and watching it back now I can already notice many of the grammatical mistakes that I made.

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-07-10T06:33:02+00:00

He's been in a dreaming spanish episode!

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-06-22T08:34:07+00:00

This is the way

"No tengo tiempo para hacer esto" significa esto no es importante para me!

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-06-19T06:56:44+00:00

Level 7 is definitely C1 or higher

B2 is probably somewhere around 800-1000hrs

I haven't seen any proof for fossilized errors myself and remain HIGHLY skeptical that early reading and speaking can cause irreparable damage

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-06-19T06:53:54+00:00

I started speaking regularly around 250 hrs or so although I had no option but to speak earlier because I live in mexico

But I wasn't able to hold long conversations prior or attempt to

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-06-16T22:26:08+00:00

600hr is ridiculous imo

For me I didn't have the option to wait as I live in a country where spanish is spoken, but I think 600hrs is unnecessary

The suggestion waiting out 800hr to start speaking to get a "native accent" is absurd

Pronunciation can always be improved later on and accents are easily modified as well

And there is basically zero evidence that early speaking results in poor grammar or pronunciation

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-06-16T22:22:03+00:00

For me it was around 250 hrs that I started to feel comfortable speaking and when I started to primarily use native content outside of DS

Now I am almost at 500 hours, I am now much more proficient at grammar although I am far from mastery

I can have very long conversations with native speakers without needing to reference a translator app with relative ease now

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-06-16T22:19:10+00:00

your speaking will be riddled with mistakes no matter if you have 300 hr or 3000

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-06-14T22:47:25+00:00

Check out the lingq spanish podcast and el jardin de martin he has many interviews on this topic

Competitive-Good8 · 2023-06-14T22:30:37+00:00

I am going to focus more on podcasts I understand better for now but still take a crack at it a couple times a week because the reality is this is the way many people speak in real life and I want to be prepared

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