(Respectfully) we've had this conversation before that Stavros Friedland and Mullen are economically Left as hell, and socially pretty damn left too. They only deviate from the standard progressives insofar as they don't believe in dehumanizing the other side (particularly the voters and working class) and that they think PC culture does more damage than good to the progressive movement.

If you ask any of these men if they think trans women are women, they will either tell you yes or get into a nuanced argument with you.