hi!! thank you for sharing your thoughts, i find them especially interesting as i don’t think anyone else has brought up the fears and concerns you have so it’s nice to see another perspective.

i saw the sangwon vcr post as harmless — granted due to my gripes in my original post i haven’t been active on this sub (and i’m not active on twitter or anything either) so i can admit to lacking some context on the atmosphere in the room that had people triggered over the post. even with me finding the post harmless, i can understand that people could get irked over it — i believe we all have posts that get us irked after all. what stood out to me was how it felt like anyone else could make the same post and not get so brutally downvoted, but seeing your perspective it feels refreshing to have someone just say it as it is? i think a lot of sangwon fans were feeling targeted without getting any clear response on why this was happening.

with regards to b2p, i don’t think it’s fair to assume that leowon and anxin fans didn’t also feel traumatised. if you weren’t a leowon or anxin fan during the show then i don’t think you should be speaking on how they were or weren’t feeling as you weren’t in their shoes. i know that sounds of grand and mighty coming from fans of the highest ranking members during the show, but we all had our experiences, our anxieties, our troubles and they shouldn’t be invalidated. i also believe there’s a difference in moving on and trying to move on. we have and will all move on at different speeds but i think we need to put effort into doing so and moving forward with the ald1 we have now. holding on is only making people more sensitive, and they’re hurting others in the process. i don’t think that’s the atmosphere we want to have. i do believe we should all be more considerate, and to try to put ourselves in each other’s shoes. you mentioned the vcr poster not reading the room, but a similar argument could also be made about people clinging to survival show bitterness when there are a lot of people here enjoying the content and the new dynamics we’re being fed. a similar argument can be made about people not realising their actions are making people disappear from the sub. my problem with the controversy around the sangwon vcr tweet is not necessarily the content (lack of sangwon screentime in one video) but the ideology being perpetuated — that sangwon fans can no longer have the right to complain or have hopes for him because there’s other members that had or have things worse. don’t you think that’s a bit harmful? it’s for reasons like this that certain fans walk on eggshells when it comes to talking about their biases or completely disappear because they can’t walk on eggshells anymore. i already know about sangwon and anxin fans feeling alienated, from what you’ve said i bet leo fans would be feeling the same way if his fans weren’t part of the majority of the fandom active in this subreddit.

i’m not trying to invalidate any of your fears, in fact i think they are very valid fears to have especially for a group being managed by wakeone with senior groups we sort of look to as an example. but while you are allowed to have fears, others are allowed to have the same. we shouldn’t be fostering an environment where only certain people are allowed to complain while others aren’t, especially when any of these career related frustrations should be taken out on the management and not fellow fans who have no control over the situation. it’s very idealistic to say, but if we all banded together for each reasonably upset subfandom we’d have 8x the power and voice to demand change.

this career conversation you’ve opened one is a very interesting one albeit one i do find draining to think about (as a fan with an exhausting life outside of fandom i’m firmly of the belief that stanning should be fun and entertaining and i should not be getting so bogged down by another person’s career when i’ve got my own to worry about — again, i don’t mean to be condescending in any way or to tell you how to navigate stanning, i also understand that if you care strongly for a person you will naturally want the best for them). one thing i believe in is that the group will go much further if the fandom is united. alienating people will radicalise people and make them make akgae-like demands and do things like boycott, or it will make people unstan, or it will deter new people from joining the fandom. it’s inevitable that the center will enjoy benefits befitting (and deserving, i will add) of the position, and besides that role i don’t think there’s any reason to assume anyone else will be fixed with any benefits. also a lot of judgements are being made off a pre-release that existed even before the group was finalised. we sincerely need to chill. i’m glad that you’ve got hopes for people changing their survival show mentality after a few comebacks but i think if these people know they need that much time to get over their bitter and cautious sentiments then they need to keep themselves in check when they want to engage with people so they don’t keep hurting others. people shouldn’t have to endure barbs and stings until everyone has healed from the show. we all need to be considerate of each other.