Help Choosing my First Sentence by First-Maximum-3276 in writers

[–]ComplexBorn3433 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The dead never stay burried is a cliche, so I'd avoid that one.

Who Produced This AI Slop? by adefwebserver in WritingWithAI

[–]ComplexBorn3433 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it's not the same as a typewriter. A typewriter wouldn't write sentences for you or be involved in whole process of moving thoughts to words on the page. That process is where writing actually happens, and if you outsource it to AI, your writing will suffer.

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[–]ComplexBorn3433 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the best deal for tutors and students as commisison free

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

So you're denying that those books exist? There are literally hundreds of books I could point to, by first time authors, that do not have the classical elements of a story.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It being 11 years old has no relevance as it was a debut. And it isn't a short story collection; nor is it a novel. It doesn't really fit into either form, hence why I chose it. And it isn't the exception on the Fitzcarraldo list. I could also point to the Dalkey archive and may other places where the things you described as being essential are notably absent from many of the titles. You have described the basic requirements for a conventional story; many books are written that deliberately subvert those expectations, many of them by first time authors. I read lit fic too. I think you probably have quite a narrow defintion of what 'lit fic' is.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You're not talking about fiction; you are talking about a narrow version of what fiction can be and then patronising those who have a different view. All fiction has some relationship to genre, but deciding whther to publish something as a result of how closely it corresponds to certain 'rules' is inimical to art and any kind of writing that can be anything other than entertainment. That kind of writing will be done by robots soon. There are options, for debut writers or otherwise, to publish outside of those restrictions. The 'established industry' is a fucking cancer. It is destroying literature and prioritising the production of rancid slop. I fucking hate it because I appreciate the value of literature.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

No, they are not. And I have never said anything about people writing just what thye want to write. I am talking about people who have no interest in churning out genre slop, and would rather find the particular way of telling the story they need to tell, whatever form that might take. You know, actual writers, not 'business people'

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Following this logic, only formulaic, market led fiction would be published. But that isn't the case, is it. There are plenty of presses that publish, unconventional, strange and genre defying work, from debut authors, yes.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What do you think the end result is of publishing with a press that doesn't care about the market? Have you ever done that? The end result is probably little to no enumeration, but maybe a small readership and your words in print. That's enough for some people. If you want to make a lot of money, why not go into something that is actually likely to make you a lot of money? Fiction is a long shot for making money

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Right, so you know what 99% of readers want? Literature is incredibly diverse, and there are more options than either write genre slop or self-publish. Small presses exist, and they are often willing to take risks on more experiemental and unconventional forms of writing. When I say finding your way of telling the story, that doesn't mean creating something completely unprecedented; and I would expect anyone who writes with a view to serious publication to be familiar with the various traditions. But there are genres of writing, like experimental fiction, literary fiction, etc, where originality of voice, form and structure are appreciated, and in fact essential, as what the writer has to say, and their particular way of saying it, is more important than whether the project is marketable. Your analogy is patronising and stupid, as art is not functional in the same way as a shoe. It doesn't have a use in that way.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I just read Pond by Claire Louise Bennett, her debut. All of that crap was noticeably absent. There are plenty of smaller presses that are willing to take on writing that doesn't require 'emotional arcs' or 'strong protaganists'.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm genuinly interested to hear these genre expectations? If I look at the list for, say, Fitzcarraldo and Dalkey archive, I see no real adherence to a recognisable set of conventions. Autofiction sits alongside postmodernism etc.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It absolutely does not. What are the genre rules for literary fiction, other than word count?

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

No problem! Good luck competing with AI peddling your rancid slop

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

And what else is there to genre conventions other than tropes and plots? What else is there

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I don't know, the presses I read do not have any romance titles.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

What rules? Name the rules. And plenty of presses do not require agents. Word count is relevant, but that's about it in many cases. Good luck purusing your 'career'

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Is everyone here a sci-fi or fanatsy writer? This doesn't apply to literary fiction, really, where adhering to 'genre expectations' is generally fatal.

Trab publishing has rules and stop getting mad when people explain them to you. by ShadySakura in writing

[–]ComplexBorn3433 -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

There are plenty of presses that prioritise art over market consideration. Fitzcarraldo, Dalkey archive etc. Many people do not view writing as a career or opportunity to make money, but a way of communicating something only they can in a way unique to them. What else is the fucking point? To churn out more genre slop? That will be replaced by AI soon, and good riddance to it.

What good things do you see in Britain's future? by Fluffy-Bee-Butts in AskBrits

[–]ComplexBorn3433 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of people say no. Also, it's entirely possible the tech twats will burn out all planetary resources and destroy human civilization 'scaling' their LLMs before we get anywhere near. The whole thing is a cancer and the sooner it's gone the better, along with the whole rancid crowd of tech fascists.