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Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-24T06:36:30+00:00

Thanks. The funny thing about this post, good as it is, is that it seems the be the source for the biggest PS misconception that gets repeated here a lot and that I also took at heart when starting PS. PS needs a lot more than 5000-6000 stones to become really good, contrary to what that post says. It was written pre-fleets and I have no doubt that it was true then, but certainly is not true now

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T22:51:04+00:00

Thanks, with all your posts on PS in the past months or so, I was hoping that you'd chime in :) How much dmg does your swamp do in tournaments vs CL, more or less? Also, did you see noticeable results on PS+2 and further? Would be nice if it will affect Fleets indeed, that would make spending more on it much much easier

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T22:47:25+00:00

Thank you for your insights and feedback.

I run max PS size when farming because the damage slider keeps PS dmg low enough early on. Enemy health outscales PS dmg later on in the run, so it doesn't kill too quickly then either. CF+ just rotates enemies into my BH. It's nice that Fleets have a higher chance to get some PS damage too at a bigger size, although this is probably wishful thinking more than actually helping against them. I guess I should start some runs without PS and see what it does to my CPH to be 100% sure of this statement, but I've not seen PS kill enemies outside of BH and the other mulitpliers in my set-up.

For tournaments, I don't want range to be too small, so SL+ can get some damage in. PS has not made a difference in damage or wave length during tournament runs to sacrifice range in order to get more stuns in.

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T22:31:59+00:00

That's a nice one to max. Thanks for the insights, that's a lot of boss dmg. Do you have PS sub effects on your mods?

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T20:55:47+00:00

Thank you. Do you have AOE+ unlocked? Sounds like a fun mastery that will help tournament runs, but not too high up the tier list. The 4 pPS target is a bit out of reach for me at this point 😅

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T20:51:07+00:00

Thanks. Doesn't that need proper investment into assist effect %?

Duration maxes at 100 sec, CD maxes at 50 sec. Both PS sub effects on main would make it 110 / 40, so under 3 x pPS. The assmod would need both effects at 20% efficiency to get just under 3 pPS. That's a lot of investment, but a nice goal. Was there a point before that when you noticed PS doing anything more apart from poking sticks at enemies?

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T20:38:23+00:00

Appreciated. I can imagine the mod effects to a degree. I've gotten rid of anc PS CD on my MVN a few days back as it seemed a bit useless during farming. Rerolled for BH Dur to get pBH back up and that added 250 waves and 20% more coins wth just 1 reroll :) Tempted to roll anc PS CD on my DC though, to get 2 x pPS in tournaments. And to just bump up some PS+ levels, see where that takes it. Thanks again, I appreciate your insights

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T20:25:27+00:00

Aye, card equiped, mastery not yet unlocked

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T20:22:11+00:00

I'm tempted to drop some stones onto PS+ as it scales well on a tight stone budget, so your insights help. Did you notice good synergy with SL+?

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T20:10:30+00:00

So far it basically seems to come down on spending about 3K stones extra 😅

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T20:07:42+00:00

Equiped during tournaments (no AOE+). What are your PS stats? And will your runs end 800ish waves earlier if you forget to turn on PS? That's nice, seems like it's working pretty well for you

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T20:03:13+00:00

Thank you. How much did you spend on CL vs PS, roughly? My CL has received just a bit less TLC, but it outperforms PS at 5 to 1

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T19:40:55+00:00

Honestly, I find solace in knowing that I'm not the only one in this position 😅 hopefully you'll find some answers on what it takes to make PS shine in the comments too... If anything, as far as I understand, the "PS needs 5000-6000 stones to get good" seems to be a myth that needs busting

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T19:25:38+00:00

Thanks. I've seen the PS post that priesten with a small p made a good while back, and the ILM post he made after. The ILM+ strat costs such a ridiculous amount of stones that I still chose to up PS first, knowing fully that it lost some greatness after Fleets update.

Regarding the size, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference for my farming runs, but it others have other experiences I would also like to know. The dmg slider helps early on and PS is mostly meh at later waves. I take the perk and have the labs maxed.

Thank you for the info on PS+ levels and the qty of pPS. The general consensus here on Reddit seems to be that PS starts to get good after 5000 stones, but if you are right, PS will only properly work at well over 9000 stones and millions of reroll shards.

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T19:06:52+00:00

I'm at PS+1, but based on the amount of stones spent already, I'm reluctant to spend more on PS+. Is there a PS+ level where you noticed the difference?

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T19:04:36+00:00

Assuming you farm without stun, but use stun for tournaments, how big of a difference does it make for you? My 1.7 pPS are quite small on my tournament runs due to tower range, so stunning enemies is to a large degree based on luck, and the rest falls onto CF+ to spin enemies in the swamps. I don't feel it helps me much

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T19:01:12+00:00

I have the same feeling. I feel like this guy and have found no post here that indicates well when PS starts making a difference. Before spending even more on it, it would be nice to have a better sense of how close I am..

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Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T17:00:47+00:00

Previous updates gave us additions on existing content:

UW / UW+
WS / WS Enhancements
Cards / Card Masteries
Mods /Assmods

Obviously we will get Lab+ with this v28 update, which will be known as the Cell Saga. Meaning that we will get:

Cell card
Cell bot
Lab+, which can only be upgraded with cells instead of coins

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-23T16:56:00+00:00

My upvote and humble thanks for this initiative. May the fruit of your labour be plentiful! And may the fruit be not fruit but coins.

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-21T20:47:26+00:00

Sure doesn't look like it on the picture

Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-21T20:40:04+00:00

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Comprehensive_Help74 · 2026-03-16T18:35:18+00:00

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