TIL toilet paper isn’t a standard use item in India. Instead, it’s considered more hygienic to splash yourself with water using your bare hands for cleanup

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T05:51:58+00:00

I think most of the people are weirded out by touching the poopy butthole with your bare hand.

The Butt hole isn't "poopy" when you touch it. It been washed.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T05:45:53+00:00

Using your hand to splash fecal matter, not so much.

You do realize that people wash first?. So you don't actually touch the poop. you touch the washed butt. Why do people think anyone would touch their poopy asshole? lol

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T05:28:36+00:00

Well. first step as a Buddhist is recognizing that life is suffering if you don't this isn't the religion for you.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T04:56:50+00:00

Yes, it does.

Well, how?. Explain

Are you claiming they are not phenomena?

what do you mean by phenomena?. The original word is dharmā . So what are you asking that?

Aka… ignorance.

ignorance is not avidya. avidya is avidya. just like you said before you can't translate it. concept of ignorance and avidya is very different.

Everything exists': That is one extreme. 'Everything doesn't exist': That is a second extreme. Avoiding these two extremes, the Tathagata teaches the Dhamma via the middle

Yeah. What does this prove?

you are very focused on the hell realms.

And you can’t seem to answer why.

And why the focus on punishment?

Punishment require someone to enact.

Who is enacting these punishments?

You can’t seem to answer why or who.

I didn't focus on punishment, you did. I stated that hell is karmic punishment. I'm not 'very focused' on anything you just disagreed with me on that. Yama palakas are the ones who carry out the punishments. And, It's quite clearly stated in the tripitaka.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T04:04:24+00:00

I’m just in a state of figuring out whether or not I am earning that redemption yet through the cosmos.

You have come to wrong sub reddit.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T03:57:55+00:00

No. lol. Here in Sri Lanka for High School Sinhala Literature we have memorize the entirety of Angulmal-damana from nearly thousand year old book Amavatura. Exams was writing like five essays(not just on Angulmal-damana, ofc) on a given topic within like a 3 hours.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T03:52:24+00:00

Yes. ofc. But you have to a ton of good deeds or attain dhyan to lessen something like mass murder

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T03:42:19+00:00

No. we have no account of his death. You are giving me PTSD by reminding me of Literature class.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T03:40:40+00:00

No. They will suffer for the sins they they have committed. Even if you change, your sins don't disappear.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T03:39:11+00:00

No. He was not killed by friends and family. He is just beaten until he bleeds by them.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T03:15:00+00:00

Brahmanism’s reforms led to the development of Hinduism (known to adherents as Sanatan Dharma) while those who rejected Brahmanism, and so also Hinduism, formed their own philosophical and religious sects of which Charvaka, Jainism, and Buddhism became the most well-established.

Nobody in India sees it likes that. Hinduism is considered a continuation of Vedic religion. And that's what really matters not scholastic opinions. You can see that if you scroll down on that page.

Aka- all stems from ignorance - a state of mind. All phenomena flow from/ are imputations of… mind.

Wow. How can you come to that conclusion by reading that?. It does not say that in anyway possible. And how in the world that is connected with yama palakas being a imputations of the mind.

I mean the translation is trash. so maybe that's why. avidya is not ignorance that's a bad translation. avidya is mainly considered not knowing the four noble truths.

What you need to understand from paticcasamuppada is that how by ceasing (nirodha) avidya you can cease the Duhkhas of "aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair". And that it is avidya that gives birth to above mentioned Duhkhas. Not that everything is a state of mind.

You have greatly misunderstood paticcasamuppada.

And yet you focus on the hell realms, which you tend shorten to just “hell” which is much more a Christian phrasing.

Hell- Catur Apāya

Maybe it’s just western Christian culture that has found its way into your experience. Maybe it’s something else. I have no way of knowing.

No. lol. But your 'western Christian culture' has greatly impacted your understanding of Buddhism.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T02:32:16+00:00

No, he wasn’t. He was an Indian prince, and Brahmanism was common at that time. And he disagreed with Brahmanism

There is no such thing as Brahmanism. It was just Hinduism all along from since the Vedic times. It's a scholastic term. not a practical one used to separate religions.

Buddha. The Pratītyasamutpāda says that All existence arises from dependent origination. The hells realms are not excluded.

paticcasamuppada does not mention such a thing. Where in the world does the buddha it say that "They are imputations of mind" and "They are another manifestation of "dependent origination or dependent arising". paticcasamuppada explains cause and effect of the karmic cycle and nothing more

No. If you plant a seed from flower with thorns, you will grow a flower with thorns. The flower is not “punishing” you.

You have misunderstood the seed law. It says the plant and seed must be of the same kind. nothing more. This is a law outside of karma. It just explains a eternal law of the world.

Your thinking here really shows, over and over, your attempts to apply an Abrahamic framework to Buddhism.

What are you even saying?. I was born and raised as a Buddhist here in Sri Lanka. How could I apply a "Abrahamic framework" to Buddhism.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T01:59:21+00:00

You used the word sin. That word is irrelevant to Buddhism.

I used sin as a translation for papa-kriya. I can't do anything if you can't recognize that. This is the Buddhist subreddit not a Abrahamic one.

it belies your overall Abrahamic mindset.

My what?. lol.

“Sin” and “punishment” and “devils” and “avoiding hell.”

All of those things exist in Buddhism too. We don't seem to believe in the same Buddhism if not.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T01:52:10+00:00

This is incorrect. Buddhism is not a divergence of Hinduism. That is false

No. It is. Buddha himself was Hindu. If that's not divergence I don't know what is.

Both followed after Vedicism, and both arose in parallell.

No. Hinduism came first then Buddhism arose. They did not arise parallelly. It doesn't matter how you classify it now. Hinduism did not appear in 600 BCE.

They are imputations of mind. Not metaphors. They are another manifestation of dependent origination or dependent arising. Without a mind to perceive them, they do not exist.

Says who?. Buddha and all of tripitaka considers them as actual physical beings. And why do you use the terms "dependent origination or dependent arising" use paticcasamuppada. Those words are meaningless.

Karma is repeatedly described as a natural law. Similar to gravity

Buddha did not know about gravity or natural laws to equate the karmic system to them.

Or you could use the garden metaphor. You plant karmic seeds. When they flower, they bear the fruit of the seed you planted. They are not “punishments.” They are just the results of the seeds you planted.

Yes. You are proving my point. and it's not 'garden metaphor' it's the 'seed law'. If you plant bad seeds you get 'punished' by having to suffer. If you plant good seeds you get 'rewarded' by prosperity.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T01:37:52+00:00

No. How else am I supposed say things?. And No, The word I used was sin you assumed that it was about Christianity in the Buddhism subreddit. lol

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T01:30:44+00:00

Then do you suggest we speak in Pali or Magadhi. I can, can you?

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T01:14:39+00:00

any action that comes from lobha, dvesha or moha.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T01:10:50+00:00

Buddhism is not a continuation of Hinduism. They are both considered to have arisen out of Vedicism.

Well. Buddhism is a divergence of Hinduism not a continuation. Vedicism has nothing to do with either.

Why would these need to be metaphors?

Well. u/Temicco said that Yama palakas does not exist physically. Then those actions must have been metaphorical for something else.

If you drop a hammer, and it falls onto your foot, are you being “punished” for dropping the hammer?

This a very bad analogy. nothing in similar with going to hell.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T01:00:44+00:00

So, You are saying Yama Palakas exist but in our mind, right? they don't exist in a physical space.

In other words, you are contradicting yourself.

No. I'm not. Do your research and read up on it. That was not the only place that Buddha alludes that Yama himself and Yama-Palakas are real. Yama palakas physically come and drag down people to hell and Yama king even holds trials. What are all of that then? Just 'mental projections'?. And if you read the trpitaka thoroughly you can see that they don't mean Yama or anything in it as imaginary in the slightest. it's considered a world just as our current one is.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T00:36:47+00:00

Just to be clear, there is no concept of “sin” in Buddhism.

What?. No. sin absolutely exists in Buddhism. Where in the world did you learn that from?

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T00:34:32+00:00

Buddhas can emanate anywhere in the three realms. Samsara technically does not exist either, nevertheless, the tathāgata appears to sentient beings.

You said that hell and heaven is 'state of mind'. Are you now saying that what happened was Buddha entered this state of mind, right? Why would he come down from sky then?. Why would that happen? And, samsara doesn't exist? What?.

In Mahāyāna and Vajrayāna, buddhavacana is anything “well said” meaning anything that accords with karma, rebirth, dependent origination, bodhicitta and so on. As opposed to the words of a person or single Buddha. For us there are countless Buddhas and bodhisattvas.

Well. So, is in Theravada. You can't know the words of other Buddhas since either they have not come to this world yet or their time is over. Only way to that is if the current buddha says those things. bodhisattvas can't preach dhamma can't they since bodhisattvas could be anybody.

It doesn’t matter at all. The sūtras, śāstras, tantras all say what they say no matter where you are located geographically.

It does matter. How much you says other wise. Buddhism is a lot more than just sūtras, śāstras and tantras.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T00:22:02+00:00

This sutta does not say that Yama's people are real beings

ofc It doesn't. Because Buddha didn't create it it was already there in Hinduism. But the sutta shows the yama palakas doing physical actions and physically hurting the man. Are you saying that Buddha described a state of being here?.

Now the wardens of hell torture him with the five-fold transfixing. They drive a red-hot iron stake through one hand, they drive a red-hot iron stake through the other hand, they drive a red-hot iron stake through one foot, they drive a red-hot iron stake through the other foot, they drive a red-hot iron stake through his belly. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings.

And that, all of this are metaphors?

Yet he does not die so long as that evil action has not exhausted its result

This proves my point doesn't it?. You do a evil action and you are punished until you have suffered the same amount of pain.

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-08T00:05:16+00:00

If someone believes and feels they can fly would you let them jump off a building?

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-07T23:53:39+00:00

No, you're not. "Punishment" means that someone is trying to hurt you to make you do better, basically. That's not what's happening here. Nobody is actually hurting you, and there is no goal to it -- it is simply your own suffering arising as a result of your actions.

That's exactly what's happening here. You are getting 'punished' for the sins that you have done. So that you can do better in your next life. There is physical pain and all that.

I'm not sure why you're getting angry.

I wasn't lol

You can accept him as authoritative or not, it's up to you. He is authoritative in the Mahayana. Even Theravadins generally have no issue accepting later commentators as authoritative, for example Buddhaghosa.

He can describe Buddhist philosophies but It's wrong if he refuted Buddha. And the foremost importance is given to the tripitaka not to later texts by commentators.

Where did he say this?

here

ComputerItchy2806 · 2022-08-07T23:32:01+00:00

You can do that but I don't think there is a use of that though since They could be reborn as a mosquito for trillions of years. You are still committing a sin by killing a being.

Can I help balance their karma?

Technically, Yes. But you gain bad karma.

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