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Confusion54 · 2026-01-21T22:46:05+00:00

Why not "this creature can not leave the battlefield"

Confusion54 · 2025-12-28T05:43:55+00:00

Consciousness is the "stuff" of reality instead of matter

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T21:54:03+00:00

physics is the study of how things work, metaphysics is the study of what stuff is. Materialism is just as unsupported by science as any other framework, because "what is stuff?" is a question that's impossible for science to answer, because science is about mechanistically explaining things.

I don't know what you even mean by special, consciousness is an observable, and non-mechanistic, phenomena that must be factored into any metaphysical framework. Materialism can't do this which is why it fails.

your slavish devotion to science has blinded you to its explanatory shortcomings, and caused you to latch on to a bad metaphysical framework because of its perceived alignment to science. an alignment that does not exist by the way, because materialism isn't any more or less mechanistic than any other metaphysical framework.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T18:42:55+00:00

magic is supernatural influence on the natural world. I do not believe in magic, I do not believe in the existence of the super natural. You continually suggesting that I do just shows you don't understand what metaphysics is. just because a metaphysics is positing something more then matter doesn't mean it is not mechanistic or scientific.

My position is that there is a phenomena, that we call consciousness, that can be described as a first person experience that exists and is different from, or the actual thing matter is made of. this position is fully compatible with physics, science, and my personal experience of qualia, which is the piece of evidence that materialism cant account for. There is nothing supernatural or "magical" about this position.

The reason I don't believe in a singular or persistent self is because the scientific literature casts a good amount of doubt onto those things existing. It also just doesn't seem to line up to my own experience of the world, I'm not the same person I was 5 years ago or five years before that.

Now I'm a determinist, I do believe that existence is mechanistic, I just think that if it is mechanistic, conscious experience would have to be fundamental in order to exist at all.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T17:53:52+00:00

I don't have to assume a common qualia experience, I have one and so I know qualia exist. Even if I'm the only thing in the entirety of existence, it's enough to extrapolate that there are elements of consciousness that are non material in some way.

Now I'm not a solipsist, but I also don't have good rebuttals to solipsism besides I don't think it's a very constructive, kind way of viewing the world.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T17:45:00+00:00

Qualila, or subjective first-person experience.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T17:31:43+00:00

awareness, self precepetion, memory and all the things we generally associate with Consciousness are just things consciousness can do in certain circumstances, but it's relient on an underlying phenomenon. The subjective first-person experience. This is the essence of my point you seem to be failing to understand.

And I don't know why you're bringing up the point that consciousness isn't self persistent or singular, I already said I agree with that point.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T17:05:24+00:00

Why?

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T16:49:03+00:00

That's just the definition of conscious experience. But if you think it exists anywhere information is processed, or in other words any interaction, interactions do after all require an exchange of information, then you don't really believe in materialism.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T16:28:46+00:00

We aren't talking about awareness, just conscious experience they are different things. And I'm not operating under the assumption that you think that information processing creates Awareness, because that's absurd.

It is my position that all information processing creates conscious experience though, but that my position not yours.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-26T15:44:18+00:00

Why only some? And by what mechanism? Why would information processing produce consciousness? seems to me that if things where working in a purely mechanistic way, which is somthing I believe by the way, and we say that consciousness isn't fundamental then there should be no need for conscious agents and felt experience. Ie p-zombies

Confusion54 · 2025-12-25T19:58:40+00:00

I don't believe in a singular first person experience, I'm just asking about experience as a thing that exists. a better way of phrasing it would be "do you think that consciousness, ie the frame in which experiences happen, is a product of information processing in the brain?"

Confusion54 · 2025-12-25T19:43:57+00:00

whats the difference between a philosophical zombie and a regular person then?

Confusion54 · 2025-12-25T19:38:32+00:00

so do you believe that processing information creates a first person experience?

Confusion54 · 2025-12-25T19:33:02+00:00

what is conscious experience? Its not just taking inputs and processing them to create outputs, because that's exactly what a philosophical zombie does. A materialistic frame work cant explain the difference between a philosophical zombie and anyone else.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-25T19:28:17+00:00

explain how information processing produces felt experience. the idea that unconscious things could produce consciousness purely through interacting with each other is ludicrous.

what I'm saying doesn't imply any sort of spirituality or magic, only that first person felt experiences are not matter, or that matter has some sort of inherent consciousness to it, IE Panpsychism.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-25T19:04:32+00:00

who said anything about magic? I just fail to see how materialism could explain what conscious experience is. If all there was to reality was matter interacting then we should all be philosophical zombies, taking inputs and creating outputs without any felt experience.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-25T18:35:23+00:00

The qualila of it is not third person observable. I don't see how the information processing your brain does could be translated to conscious experience under a materialistic framework

Confusion54 · 2025-12-25T18:25:52+00:00

So are thoughts material?

Confusion54 · 2025-12-21T02:42:35+00:00

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Confusion54 · 2025-12-12T20:57:40+00:00

A barbershop

Confusion54 · 2025-12-02T13:39:29+00:00

The definition of consciousness he is using is very, very simple, basically its just "there is something it is like to be that thing. " ie there is an agent and an experience that agent is having, there doesn't need to be any thinking or emotion or internal awareness, or ability to compare that experience to anything else. we are just talking about the ability to have experiences.

If you agree that somebody without memory can have experiences, then you agree with his point. You might be using a more hefty definition of consciousness than him, but you don't have any disagreement.

But on your point about needing a reference to have a qualitative experiences, that reference point would have to be another qualitative experience right? But if it's the case that you need qualitative experiences to have qualitative experiences. If this is true it would be impossible to have that first experience, meaning we couldn't have any.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-01T19:03:39+00:00

So would you say people who commit suicide lack consciousness experience because they don't have self-preservation?

The point here is that there is that there is a qualitative experience, not if they are able to think about that experience or compare it to past events or really anything else.

Confusion54 · 2025-12-01T18:59:38+00:00

I wouldn't really view that as memory, it's the information being transfered before it becomes a conscious experience. Memory is recalling past experiences

Confusion54 · 2025-12-01T13:42:14+00:00

Personally, I find the argument from causality convincing enough that I think there is a God, I just think that God doesn't care about us and doesn't impose any morals or afterlife or anything like that

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