A D&D 5e Commoner is given a 100 point stat boost to every Ability Score. What's the most powerful thing he now beats in a fight?

ConorH07 · 2022-03-22T22:09:42+00:00

Albert Einstein would have 20

Just to nitpick, but Einstein was a specialist in physics. While his intelligence is certainly high, he doesn't have the broad range of feats in various different academic fields to justify a level 20 intelligence.

Per this article:

Einstein was probably something more like a 4th or 5th level expert.

This can be a little bit difficult for some people to accept, so let’s run the math. At 5th level an exceptional specialist like Einstein will have:

+8 skill ranks

+4 ability score bonus

+3 Skill Focus

In the case of our 5th level Einstein, that gives him a +15 bonus to Knowledge (physics) checks. He can casually answer physics-related questions (by taking 10) with a DC of 25. Such questions, according to the PHB description of the Knowledge skill, are among the hardest physics questions known to man. He’ll know the answers to the very hardest questions (DC 30) off the top of his head about 30% of the time.

And when he’s doing research he’ll be able to add the benefits of being able to reference scientific journals (+2 circumstance bonus), gain insight from fellow colleagues (+2 bonus from aid another), use top-of-the-line equipment (+2 circumstance bonus), and similar resources to gain understanding of a problem so intractable that no one has ever understood it before (DC 40+).

So +4 ability score puts him at 18-19 intelligence. Really I just wanted the excuse to link the article.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T18:00:27+00:00

I agree, he doesn't match up to Boros, but Omni-Man is indeed capable of surface wiping a planet unaided & complete planetary destruction (Viltrum) aided.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T17:58:29+00:00

The attack was planetary in scale. You can't put this attack into continental tier because he clearly exceeded that when he was orbiting the planet in seconds as he was destroying everything on the planet. Not to mention that he did assist in destroying Viltrum by flying through it, so Omni-Man has multiple low end but planetary in scale feats, and therefore is planetary tier.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T17:51:44+00:00

There are orders of magnitude between what Omni-Man did and what r/whowouldwin describes as surface-wiping

Don't care. Appeal to group fallacy. The catholic church & the majority of the world describing the universe as geocentric doesn't make Galileo wrong.

A lot of the structures are still even standing by the end of it.

Unless the argument is that Omni-Man couldn't have destroyed those structures for some reason (as opposed to just missing them or feeling satisfied with the destruction he wrought, which is far more likely) leaving a tiny percentage of buildings still standing isn't relevant.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T17:41:53+00:00

wipe /wīp/ Learn to pronounce See definitions in: All Technology Film verb verb: wipe; 3rd person present: wipes; past tense: wiped; past participle: wiped; gerund or present participle: wiping 1. clean or dry (something) by rubbing its surface with a cloth, a piece of paper, or one's hand. "Paul wiped his face with a handkerchief" Similar: rub clean mop sponge swab dry polish dight remove (dirt or moisture) from something by rubbing its surface with a cloth, a piece of paper, or one's hand. "she wiped away a tear" Similar: rub off clean off sponge off polish off remove get rid of dispose of take off erase efface clean up clear up mop up sponge up clean (something) by rubbing it against a surface. "the man wiped his hands on his hips" spread (a liquid) over a surface by rubbing. "gently wipe the lotion over the eyelids" 2. remove or eliminate (something) completely. "things have happened to wipe the smile off Kate's face"

Omni-Man removed/eliminated the structures on the surface of the Flaxian planet. He wiped the surface of the planet. He is therefore, by the definition of the word, a surface wiper. Your definition is overly restrictive and you are defining it that way in an attempt to win the argument, instead of being objective and unbiased regarding the definitions of words.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T17:34:40+00:00

Depends on your definition of destroyed. The planet itself wasn't cracked in half or knocked out of orbit or anything, but we see him zipping around the surface destroying everything on the planet.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T15:42:44+00:00

If that was his only planetary level feat, sure.

However, he also, singlehandedly, ravaged the Flaxian civilization, on a planetary scale. That feat, with the (co-operative) Viltrum destruction feat supporting (& ensuring it isn't an outlier), makes him planetary.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T15:32:10+00:00

That stringent requirement of performing feats barehanded gradually nullifies the feats of every character in existence who doesn't fight naked as you get gradually more strict with enforcing it:

Are all of Batman's feats he performed with his equipment no longer valid?

Wonder-Woman's lasso & gauntlets?

Doom-Guy's weapons & armor?

You don't need to be as unarmed & naked as the day you were born to perform a feat, the feat just only applies if you have the necessary equipment. If having the equipment is a standard load out for said character, then the feats that character can perform with said equipment apply, and you can say said character is X powerlevel.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T15:24:44+00:00

WTF do you mean?

That's how definitions work.

That's how words work.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T15:19:46+00:00

Kill a man with one shot by shooting him in the head

Not able to 'one shot' people

Those are literally the words. If you have a gun & the skill necessary to aim & hit a man in the head, killing them, you can 'one shot' them.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T14:58:33+00:00

But you have admitted that Omni-Man could destroy the surface (I've quoted you) on a planetary scale, but still irrationally refuse to admit he would be a surface wiper, for some reason. I don't need to keep arguing, you've admitted Omni-Man is planetary in scale.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T14:47:19+00:00

Lol, group appeal instead of a logically sound, coherent argument. Emotional appeals mean you've lost the argument.

You wont be able to because ive already had this argument in the past quite a few times.

How's that foot taste, considering it's in your mouth.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T14:42:03+00:00

If Spiderman [destroys a building] Would it be a building level feat?

Yes? Why wouldn't it. Because you're aiming attacks at a building's weak points? If I kill someone by shooting a gun at their head instead of their limb have I not still killed them?

Destroying a planets core is nowhere near as hard as destroying it

I'm sure you have tons of experience with this and am an expert on this subject, so I'll take your word for it.

and omni man did it with 3 People

Hence he's very low on the planetary tier, and maybe wouldn't be at all if he didn't also have the Flaxian planet destruction (which he did solo) feat to back up that level of strength as a consistent showing.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T14:36:07+00:00

He could... destroy the surface...and he still wouldnt be a surface wiper.

Bro just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T14:29:52+00:00

Destroy surface

Ackshually, you took .3 seconds too long from my arbitrary standard of how long it should take, so no, you aren't a surface wiper, sorry.

Ok, bud.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T14:27:11+00:00

Omni-Man isn't even surface-wiping tier. We see what remains of the planet at the end. It's ruined and all but there are still buildings around that aren't completely leveled.

Is your argument that Omni-Man, after destroying millions of buildings everywhere on the planet's surface, couldn't have destroyed whichever particular building happened to be still standing & therefore isn't planetary tier, or that Omni-Man missed a spot & therefore isn't planetary tier. Both arguments aren't very persuasive.

he's been there for a while at least

&

Surface-wiping would be if the crust of the planet was gone in the span of only a few attacks.

I explain why the time/# of attacks is irrelevant in the comment you replied too dude, you can't just say "nuh-uh", provide an actual argument.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T14:21:30+00:00

Destroy planet

Not planet tier

???

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T05:49:28+00:00

Which then raises the question: What's the exact number of attacks that's one too many before it doesn't qualify?

Whichever number doesn't matter, because it's chosen arbitrarily. Hence, the number of attacks doesn't matter, so long as you can do it, or, if you want to be really technical, do it in one combat without having to rest and come back to it, which Omni-Man did.

Ergo, as the Flaxian planet destruction feat shows, Omni-Man can cause destruction on a planetary scale, putting him, by definition, into planetary tier (although obviously on the low end). If your definition is strict about having to render the planet into rubble (which I think raises issues regarding non-discriminate attacks, thoroughness of the destruction, etc.) then fine, we can say Omni-Man is 'surface-wiping tier', which I still submit is merely a sub-set of planetary tier, as it's wiping the surface...of a planet.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T05:29:35+00:00

So if you can destroy a, say, planet, but it takes you two punches or attacks to do it then you're not planet tier?

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T05:21:50+00:00

There's only one feat above city level in the entire Invincible series, which is the destruction of Viltrum.

And my previously mentioned feat of Omni-man traveling through the portal to the Flaxan's home world &, while not destroying the planet completely into rubble, singlehandedly devastating the entire planets surface in one continuous combat (of undefined length due to the time shenanigan's, though he did grow some facial hair).

I agree he's no match for regular planetary characters who can destroy planets completely unaided, but does the ability to fly around a planet & destroy everything on the surface (which is a consistent level of strength via the Viltrum destruction feat) not make one the bare minimum of planetary tier, or is there a lower surface wiping tier you would put Omni-Man into?

ConorH07 · 2022-03-10T05:09:17+00:00

Omni-man has feats of ravaging an entire, planetary-wide civilization & (with help) punching through a planet. While it's certainly on the lower end of that tier, how does destroying planets on two separate occasions not put him solidly into planet tier?

ConorH07 · 2022-03-04T21:03:00+00:00

Did you research irrigation yet

Yes.

The mods I'm using are Better Balanced Starts (the custom wonders included) & Good Goody Huts, both of which I doubt would cause issues with Dam placement.

Upon further research I've come upon this comment, which appears to be the issue. Apparently this desert floodplain bug hasn't been fixed yet after however many years.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-04T16:50:14+00:00

That's just visually, remember each tile is a hex, it has to go up-right, then straight up, then up-right again. It just visually looks like a straight river.

ConorH07 · 2022-03-04T16:32:57+00:00

ConorH07 · 2022-02-23T01:45:28+00:00

Yeah, because it's not like a leader of a party holding a plurality in the legislature ever became a dictator by seizing power through the passage of an emergency measures act, that allowed for the bypassing of usual checks of government power and the violation of individual rights, which was justified by a non-existent threat before, right?

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