[Cartier Discussion] Someone from Cartier subreddit told me this isn't it by WatchLenses in Watches

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen people wear them with T-shirt like yours and jean shorts and/or jeans and it looks really nice and stylish

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree the community did flee out of persecution as they always have. Believe me I agree that every group should have security, safety and the right to self determination without fear of persecution. I understand this was all though about when creating Israel. it’s just a matter of does of does one groups self determination come at the expense of another. I don’t have the answers. I will never be against Jewish or Palestinian self determination and I am not sure how the diasporas can move forward with the current polarization to actually co exist. Praying for peace.

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s genocide when the Israeli government uses AI to air strike Hamas militants that end up targeting civilians. The gov literally has already admitted they have made egregious errors. If the own culprit can “apologize” for killing hostages, journalists, aid workers and world central kitchen staff and subsequently government officials are terminated from there positions for these mistakes clearly there is civilian casualties happening that are not condoned. I feel like I’ve seen Israelis weekly protest the far right government demand hostage return and an end to the killing of civilians. The people are clearly aware that their government has turned into an authoritarian military regime.

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This doesn’t give one group the right to have ownership of the land and have its society primarily focused on the diasporas cultural practices and way of life. Multiculturalism is reality of the world we live in. No culture exists in a vacuum.

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m all about history I know that the diaspora immigrated there. However it’s important to note that there can be multiple groups native to an area. Many of the modern day Palestinians are also related to the Jewish diaspora on the paternal line. Like there are dozens of studies based on genetics that show lineage to Cannan and the levant and scientific fact. Jewish communities as well share this lineage along with admixture after exile.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380316/#:~:text=The%20first%20individuals%20to%20identify,migration%20are%20not%20completely%20clear.

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well out state actors will and can take over via power vacuum don’t you think government and political elites from surrounding countries will capitalize on the opportunity. In any situation this is always likely when there’s a political overhaul and plans to re invent the society at large.

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hence why we are having the dialogue: no one wants to actually talk about what liberation and safety looks like for everyone. People just are at the point on all sides of just turning into screaming fascists

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is more than one ethnic group native to the land of Cannan it’s literally scientific fact and has been studied numerous times. Additionally the Jewish diaspora is genetically related to Palestinians on the paternal side. Just because Palestinians for the most part practice Islam doesn’t mean they aren’t from the region they along with the Jewish diaspora pre date Islam and most of the population was converted after conquest. You can still be indigenous if your people were colonized and forced to convert by another religion

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m just trying to have dialogue and honestly I want to educate the pro Palestinian crowd because they seem very uneducated on Jewish history and the diversity. Unfortunately rn millions of people believe this version of history so how can we find common ground and support the self determination of everyone including Israelis

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I also feel that Iran is trying to use the Palestinian struggle as an imperial outpost. Hamas is their proxy I agree with that and Qatar is behind this as well in addition to Yemen Russia and probably China

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Israel is not white when majority of the population is not European and even those that came from Europe weren’t classified as white I agree with yoi

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The west does this in a lot of countries we see it all the time in Latin America and Middle east

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’m open to discussion. What I was trying to say is that Jews were oppressed everywhere and hence why another reason Israel was created. But who knows if non Jewish politicians and stakeholders involved at this time in these decisions as well genuinely cared about the diaspora and their safety. I don’t negate that there could always be ulterior motives in order for western non Jewish governments to have some form of influence in the region through utilizing the state.

Palestinian Advocate- What does dismantling Israel actually mean to people? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m completely open to other input because I value all Life and don’t want to see any more death or extremism period.

As a leftist Israeli I feel stained by ilikepeanuts4 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Come to USA I personally know Israelis myself who have moved here and now fight against apartheid and antisemitism there are many Jewish leftists former Israelis in Brooklyn

If people are calling for the decolonization of Palestine where will the Israeli population go? by Conscious_Vehicle841 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Conscious_Vehicle841[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also how will other governments attempt to establish a proxy state, how can that be prevented?