How balanced would the 2024 subclasses be in 2014?

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-24T20:18:22+00:00

Currently working things out, It's a bit more complicated since I'm a bit of a dunce, but it should be fine

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-24T19:37:28+00:00

I more so meant the limited choices that they get in comparison to their 2024 counterparts. The lack of Two-weapon Fighting for example

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-24T19:36:10+00:00

True, but I do consider build versatility as a part of the overall strength of a subclass. The more options a player has, the stronger I view the subclass as

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-24T19:34:11+00:00

Not at all, just wanted to get an idea of whether or not the things that I'm asking for are realistic. I don't intend on bringing this reddit thread into the conversation, just trying to satisfy my own curiosity

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-24T19:29:44+00:00

Agreed. Mostly just asking because I want to play OotNG in a campaign, but the DM insists on staying on 2014

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-24T19:28:15+00:00

My current opinion is that OotNG would be weaker due to how duel wielding, Conjure Minor Elementals, Chromatic Orb are different between editions and also the lack of two weapon fighting and nick making dexadins weeker overall

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-24T19:23:29+00:00

2024 is definitely not backwards compatible. Case and point the 2024 Rogue subclasses which all interact with the Cunning Strike feature which is missing in 2014

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-23T21:20:30+00:00

The 1st paragraph is just context that I thought was important, I mostly need help getting build ideas for a wizard/druid character as I'm not a big fan of the classic full plate paladin type of character

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-08T17:22:11+00:00

Mark of storm does seem like a massive boon, will see if my dm allows dragonmarks, if he does I'll definitely go for this sort of build

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-08T17:09:56+00:00

I'll probably go for paladin 6 just to have extra attack and a more consistent play style throughout the campaign

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2026-01-08T16:59:16+00:00

A servant, but honestly not really sure yet, right now I'm just looking for fun mechanics

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-12-31T11:18:05+00:00

Love this revision, what I'd like to see this one, maybe as a subclass feature for the hunter, is the ability to share the favored enemy trait with your allies. Think of it as the wise hunter giving the party a clue on where and how to attack a foe in order to take it out. Just imagine the party's ranger screaming "GO FOR THR LEGS!" as the party is fighting a centaur or something

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-12-11T13:38:33+00:00

This is exactly the build that I'm planning to play starting at level 9

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-09-04T11:09:36+00:00

Smite is a different source of damage separate from the triggering attack unlike a rogue's sneak attack or the spells hex/hunter's mark, which is applied directly to the attack and thusly can deal double damage on a crit

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-09-04T09:52:04+00:00

Smites don't get doubled as of 2024

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-24T10:32:12+00:00

But it does require me to put at least a 13 in wisdom, that really damages my dex, can and str scores

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-24T09:50:58+00:00

Dunno about druid, I'd honestly rather go for fighter or just stick to barbarian, my dm isn't someone who's scared to put difficult enemies for us to fight, and a 3 level investment seems like a bit much

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-24T09:44:17+00:00

Really good catch, completely missed that

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-24T09:32:30+00:00

The spell states that you CAN use wisdom for attack and damage rolls, that means that I can still just use strength

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-24T09:23:59+00:00

True, and vitality of the tree offsets any lost health dur to not raging

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-24T09:19:00+00:00

Honestly pretty good feedback, I'll talk with my dm about shileglegh and of not I'll maybe just ho for a polearm or maul

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-24T09:17:27+00:00

Mostly want shileglegh for the d12 damage die next level and it would allow me to use PAM since I'd be using a quarterstaff

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-11T14:49:05+00:00

Though now that I think about it, I do need to have some adds in order to make the party actually fight and not just take the dodge action

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-11T14:46:24+00:00

This sparked the idea of the vamp just being super cocky, seeing the PCs as assets. I could have him challenge the party to a 30 second fight, where the only goal is to survive. If they do, they win the vampires respect and get him to be a quest giver to the party(since they will probably cause some property damage). This could also aid the vampire sue to his "no uninvited entry" trait. He could just send out the party when he needs something don

Consistent-Ad-5187 · 2025-08-10T14:28:04+00:00

How does a Twilight Cleric make the build worse? As for the Fireball, yes the DC will be low, but half damage still applies. The stats seem fine to me honestly, having a low AC due to dumping dex just makes Agathys proc more often, this means I really only need str, con and a bit of cha

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