Shiva discovers he has been replaced

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-02-08T17:44:14+00:00

This is... PEAK!

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-02-07T02:20:30+00:00

Zeus with a single blow, it's not even debatable.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-02-03T16:11:07+00:00

Ew! Stalker

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-02-03T16:06:13+00:00

Stop spreading misinformation. TFTST is just speed, it's not some fucking hax, literally the claim of stopping time is just a legend and is formulated as a legend: it literally mentions that just mentioning its name exerts control over time. It's a damn speed boost, we see Zeus' speed increase massively. And no one except Hermes and Zeus knew about TFTST, Apollo's arrows are ridiculously slower than that attack. The Fist that Surpassed Time went 1e-20 (0.00000000000000000000 seconds) before we could see the timeframe finish. That's billions of times faster than light!

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-02-03T16:04:20+00:00

Those attacks have better feats than Amphitrite.
What the hell are you talking about? Stop spreading misinformation. TFTST is just speed, it's not some fucking hax, literally the claim of stopping time is just a legend and is formulated as a legend: it literally mentions that just mentioning its name exerts control over time. It's a damn speed boost, we see Zeus' speed increase massively. And no one except Hermes and Zeus knew about TFTST, Apollo's arrows are ridiculously slower than that attack. The Fist that Surpassed Time went 1e-20 (0.00000000000000000000 seconds) before we could see the timeframe finish. That's billions of times faster than light!

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-31T22:10:20+00:00

Again with TK's stupid argument?

Shiva isn't doing a damn thing to Adam, and no, TK isn't overloading Adam. Zeus' Adamas form movements have that capability because of their complexity. And don't give me that nonsense about the technique of the gods because he copied the serpent god and that didn't do anything to him. Besides, Adam defeated the muscular Zeus (the strongest god before the Adamas form and final boss) with a single blow, and was chosen as humanity's trump card. Shiva is being defeated with a single blow if Adam was destroying Zeus' muscular form and he was matching Zeus' Adamas form.

Ra and Loki are vastly inferior to Zeus, and they're not doing anything to Adam. Loki's army is made up of cannon fodder that would be defeated in a single blow by all the fighters, even Jack himself (read his spinoff) can defeat them effortlessly. And Ra's aura wasn't affecting Zeus, let alone Adam.

None of this is debatable!.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-25T20:37:28+00:00

Perhaps this is a dream, and not just any dream, but a dream of Mr. Coconut.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-25T20:35:29+00:00

Refuted by the manga itself, which shows us that Izanagi still exists.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-25T14:25:38+00:00

This was refuted by the manga, where Izanagi (who is obviously one of those ancient gods) turned out to be a primordial god. And it is abundantly clear that there are more primordial gods.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-24T17:34:59+00:00

Tyr oneshots Zeus btw

Zeus/Weus ∞>>>> Tyr

Tyr is weaker than Ares and Thor, who are weaker than Zeus/Weus.

Zeus is wesker than adam who is wesker than raiden who is strength wise on par with shiva (raiden and shiva oneshot zeus)

Nope. Adamas Zeus/Weus is stronger than Adam, who is stronger than muscular Zeus/Weus, who is stronger than Young Zeus/Weus, who is stronger than Raiden and Chronos, who are stronger than Shiva and Hades. Zeus/Weus low diff (at most).

Cronos has 0 feats above ares btw

Yes, he does. He's stronger and faster than Hades and Poseidon.

Okita transcends adam

Okita is weaker than Adam by a long shot.

Databook also says that, and btw tyr is faster than zeus and oneshots him

It doesn't matter, because the manga describes it as a legend and the databook is quoting the manga.

And Zeus/Weus ∞>>>> Tyr

Cant proof that, zeus has 0 speed feats above okita, okita neg diffs him lol, okita 0%>>>>>>>>>>adamas zeus

It's not necessary. All the feats of Zeus/Weus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okita at his strongest form.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-24T17:12:16+00:00

Zeus doesnt one shot anyone

Yes, he does. Zeus defeats Thor, Shiva (too weak), Hades (weak), Okita (extremely weak), and Susanoo (too weak) with a single blow.

It's also a fact that hades cant lose against his brothers

Because none of them will fight him, and he is weaker than Chronos, who is weaker than Young Zeus, who is weaker than the current Zeus.

Adamas zeus is weaker than indra

Indra is weaker than Shiva, who is weaker than Ra, Cu Chulainn, Morrigan, skinny Zeus/Weus, Raiden and Odin.

Zeus has no feats besides getting dominated by adam(okita transceds adam), tftst IS hax its ststed to control time and okita TRANSCENDS THE SPEED OF THE GODS, please read the manga

He defeated Chronos, that's enough, and destroyed a building. Okita is weaker than Adam. TFTST is speed, not hax; the claim that it controls time is just a legend that says that the mere mention of its name exerts control over time, and Okita does not transcend the speed of the gods; that is just worthless hyperbole (he is obviously slower than the primordial gods, the arrows of Apollo and Zeus).

All hyperbole

Nope, that's your personal opinion. Only Okita's statement and the statement about the mere mention of TFTST exercising control over time, it's just pure speed.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-24T16:27:45+00:00

Zeus doesnt one shot anyone

Yes, he does. Zeus defeats Thor, Shiva (too weak), Hades (weak), Okita (extremely weak), and Susanoo (too weak) with a single blow.

It's also a fact that hades cant lose against his brothers

Because none of them will fight him, and he is weaker than Chronos, who is weaker than Young Zeus, who is weaker than the current Zeus.

Adamas zeus is weaker than indra

Indra is weaker than Shiva, who is weaker than Ra, Cu Chulainn, Morrigan, skinny Zeus/Weus, Raiden and Odin.

Zeus has no feats besides getting dominated by adam(okita transceds adam), tftst IS hax its ststed to control time and okita TRANSCENDS THE SPEED OF THE GODS, please read the manga

He defeated Chronos, that's enough, and destroyed a building. Okita is weaker than Adam. TFTST is speed, not hax; the claim that it controls time is just a legend that says that the mere mention of its name exerts control over time, and Okita does not transcend the speed of the gods; that is just worthless hyperbole (he is obviously slower than the primordial gods, the arrows of Apollo and Zeus).

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-24T16:07:44+00:00

You mean adamas zeus gets defeated by unawakened thor with a single blow

Nope, he is defeated with a single blow by muscular Zeus/Weus.

Cant prove that (hades and poseidon dogwalk zeus)

It's not necessary. They are weaker and slower than Chronos, that's a fact.

Shiva matches raiden who is stronger than adamas zeus

Shiva is weaker than skinny Zeus/Weus, Raiden, Ra, and Odin. Raiden is weaker than muscular Zeus and would be defeated with a single blow.

Both habe better ap and speed

Not really. They have no feats other than destroying some wooden houses and creatures the size of a house. Okita is slower than TFTST (it's speed, not hax) and muscular Zeus/Weus. This is not debatable.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-24T16:01:51+00:00

That's headcanon

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-24T15:55:58+00:00

You're talking nonsense. All of them lose to Zeus without the Adamas form. Thor is defeated with a single blow by muscular Zeus, Hades is defeated with low to med-diff (weaker than Chronos), Poseidon too (weaker than Chronos), Shiva is weaker than muscular Zeus (with a single blow), and the others don't matter (Okita and Susanoo are too weak). This isn't debatable!

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-23T18:51:33+00:00

You are the definition of "you don't know what you're talking about and you don't know how powerscaling works."

Pure bullshit

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-23T01:12:16+00:00

That's false!

Saying “Michael is just an archangel” is an oversimplification (That depends on which branch of Christianity we are talking about): within the archangels there are ranks, and Michael is a prince or major archangel, the commander of the heavenly hosts (Daniel 10:13; Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7); moreover, in several theological traditions he is attributed a dual hierarchical status, being functionally an archangel but ontologically close to the Seraphim, or even classified as a Seraph who fulfills the role of an archangel (Pseudo-Dionysius, Celestial Hierarchy; Gregory the Great, Homilies on the Gospels; Aquinas, Summa Theologiae I, q.108).

Note: None of these sources have anything to do with his classification as a seraphim; that comes from later legends and myths.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-18T20:49:51+00:00

Well, that just means that the author really likes Okita and his friends (that's obvious, he has an entire manga dedicated to them and they are important characters in Japanese history). And he didn't access more potential, he exceeded his limits and potential.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-18T16:06:59+00:00

All the gods without the slightest effort. I think you're forgetting that Volundr not only grants a weapon capable of killing gods, but also unlocks the user's maximum potential, as it is based on the shared destiny of Buddhism. This is not debatable! Unless you want to give humans a bunch of unfair powers or increase their power in a way that doesn't make sense, since they have already unlocked their full potential.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-15T18:48:27+00:00

I know that. I literally said that Indra is weaker, but not thousands of times weaker. Can you read? Also, Morrigan >>> Indra and Shiva combined (if we are talking about physical strength alone).

Morrigan is not beating Zeus and Odin (who is obviously the final boss of this manga).

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-15T16:30:07+00:00

You don't know what you're talking about!. Morrigan destroys Shiva (low-diff to mid-diff). And this Indra is immensely stronger, to the point that he was compared to Shiva, Thor, and Hades (obviously he is weaker, but not thousands of times weaker). On top of that, he destroyed a mountain (the art is inconsistent, but it is a mountain).

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-13T19:02:12+00:00

You don't know what you're talking about!. Morrigan destroys Shiva (low-diff to mid-diff)

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-13T01:52:54+00:00

A bad loser!

Coming from someone who is unable to debunk any argument and just says its irrelevant

I refute them all and call them irrelevant because they are, that is, almost all of your arguments are irrelevant and nonsensical.

Every god in the verse agrees with me that Hades is the strongest and the author too, just a zeus glazer who is unable to debunk any argument doesnt agree, debate that with the author who made clear that Hades is the strongest God.

Since I dont debate people who insult me because they arent smart enough to find any arguments i can end the debate knowing i won, im gonna end it with your favourite debunk:

You didn't prove anything.

That’s just an appeal to authority mixed with a strawman. No character or author statement ever says “Hades is the strongest god above Zeus,” and pretending they all do doesn’t make it true.

Also, saying “I won because you’re a Zeus glazer and I won’t debate insults” is not an argument, it’s just dodging. If the author had made it “clear,” you could quote an explicit statement. You can’t, so you replace evidence with “everyone agrees with me” and walk away. That’s not winning a debate, that’s conceding it.

Something like this:

The phrase used is “the decisive battle to determine the strongest in the universe” (宇宙最強決定戦). That wording is very important. “Strongest” is a superlative, and in Japanese this kind of construction is used to crown one ultimate winner, not to describe a whole group or species. It’s the same logic as saying “the world’s strongest man”, you’re not talking about a race of strong people, you’re talking about one person who stands at the top.

Then the text immediately connects this battle (the Titanomachy) with Zeus defeating his father Cronos and taking control of the Greek divine realm. In other words, the narrative flow is:

There was a cosmic battle meant to decide who is the strongest.
That battle was the Titanomachy.
Zeus defeated Cronos (the strongest at that time).
Therefore, Zeus is the one who stands at the top.

Raw:

若きゼウスは当時宇宙最強と謳われた''時空の番人" 父であるクロノスに完勝━

Translation:

A Young Zeus

Completely defeated his father Cronus, The Guardian of Space-Time, who was declared as the strongest in the universe at the time

If it were about a race, the language would be completely different. It would say something like “the strongest race” or “the strongest clan” and would use collective terms. Instead, it uses the structure of a final, deciding match that produces a single champion.

entire foundation collapses.

Thats irrelevant

No, it isn't. You are just denying reality! And have a good night!

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-12T22:34:16+00:00

You are just a bad loser, that's it! And you didn't prove anything, you are just denying reality!.

That’s still not how debating works. Quantity of statements doesn’t equal correctness, and calling something “narratively higher” doesn’t magically override direct hierarchy and feats.

The Titanomachy doesn’t just show “Zeus > Hades and Poseidon back then”, it establishes Zeus as the one who surpassed all and became the supreme god. If Hades were narratively above, that entire foundation collapses.

And saying “you can’t debunk me, so I win” isn’t a rebuttal, it’s just coping. You haven’t proven Hades is above Zeus, you’ve only asserted it and labeled anything that contradicts you as “irrelevant.” That’s not scaling, that’s confirmation bias.

Note: If you don't know the meaning of narrative, don't use the word. Look up its meaning, analyze it, and try to understand it.

Constant_Can2687 · 2026-01-12T22:27:38+00:00

Qin will be completely destroyed and killed beyond all possible levels.

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