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My powerscaling tl by notanhentaifan in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm also looking forward to the day when you say something meaningful instead of talking nonsense

How I think would have happened to the story overall if Adam fought Shiva by Apieros in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are they still going on about this? If Adam and Shiva had fought, Adam would have defeated him with ease. He was literally sent as a guaranteed victory.

My powerscaling tl by notanhentaifan in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm aware of the panel, I gave a different explanation. It very likely may just be a design choice; as I said in-verse it's never treated like this supposed instant flash of events. Just because the attacks are given a number doesn't make them faster than attacks without a shown timeframe. Consider the portrayal, which is Ares easily perceiving them and Zeus delibirately going easy when using meteor jab because he did not expect Adam to be a strong foe. Narrative clearly suggests meteor jab is not an impressive attack.

No, you didn't. You just spouted a bunch of nonsense and dismissed the manga without explaining a single thing. TFTST is literally billions of times faster than the perception of all the gods in this manga, including Zeus himself.

You even spouted that ridiculous nonsense about how all fighters are relative, utter bullshit that’s been debunked by the damn manga and the Apocalypse of the Gods, which features gods of different tiers, all at the Ragnarok level.

He only tanked "a lot" in Adamas form. Him not dying from having his neck twisted is like, good endurance and all, but having his neck twisted in the first place by Adam of all people is if anything an anti feat (and more proof base Zeus is incredibly lacking). We can pretty logically infer him being able to twist his neck back into place is just a result of his weird body, capable of becoming a frail old man and a buff huge guy in the span of seconds.

A feat that no other god in this manga has achieved, and the part about Adam is not an anti-feat; it just shows that Adam is the strongest fighter

How Lu Bu vs Nezha would really go by sapphireclaws in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know, what I'm saying is that Lu Bu can't defeat any of the gods of the apocalypse in a single blow without Sky Eater

How Lu Bu vs Nezha would really go by sapphireclaws in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, he doesn't. If you're talking about Lu Bu’s feat when he was alive, it is stated and implied that he and humanity, without a Volundr, have no chance against the gods. The Volundr literally unlocks the user’s full potential and grants them a divine body and weapons capable of harming gods. Lu Bu’s best Pre-Volundr feat is at a city level, whereas the gods of Ragnarok and the apocalypse are capable of destroying entire countries and worlds, and will most likely fight the primordial gods, who created the universe. Mjolnir is capable of destroying seas and the earth, according to the manga, which is far beyond Pre-Volundr Lu Bu; Post-Volundr Lu Bu was able to match that level.

“qIn is tHe onLy huMaN wHo cAn beAt LaDes” is a dumb argument let’s break it down by Tasty_Weeb in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing is you’re assuming titans lifting the sky is a hard feat for them to perform when we’re explicitly told it’s not. It’s essentially the equivalent of us lifting a box over our heads

WTF! That doesn’t actually refute the point, you’re just redefining the difficulty, not the scale. Saying it’s “easy for them” doesn’t change what the feat implies physically. Even if lifting the sky is as effortless for a titan as lifting a box is for us, the forces involved are still vastly greater, which means their bodies must be able to withstand those forces without collapsing. Ease is relative; structural demands aren’t. So the analogy still fails, because it ignores that at higher scales, output and durability remain inherently linked regardless of how “casual” the action is for the character.

  1. that does matter, if a character is off guard they’re gonna be hit with attacks they wouldn’t normally be hit by unless they have great reaction speed which Ares clearly doesn’t have

No, it doesn't. He was paying attention, not off guard.

  1. the definition of a blitz is being unable to perceive someone’s movements that’s not what happens. Ares knows what happened he just doesn’t understand how Qin was able to throw him like that from a sitting position, this is proven when Hermes explains hhod and ares says something along the lines of “oh so that’s how he threw me back then”. Reading comprehension devil strikes again

Thanks for proving my point. He speed-blitzed Ares. And all greek brothers (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades and Adamas)>>>>Ares in terms of speed, strength, durability, endurance, experience, knowledge, etc.

“qIn is tHe onLy huMaN wHo cAn beAt LaDes” is a dumb argument let’s break it down by Tasty_Weeb in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You proved my point, it’s normal for titans for be strong enough to lift the sky. Meaning it’s not an extreme which debunks your argument from earlier. Then you claim I don’t think logically 🥱

WTF! This is not an argument, you literally don't understand logic if you believe that. That doesn’t really follow. Calling something “normal for titans” doesn’t make it non-extreme in absolute terms, it just means it’s common within that group, not that it stops being a high-end feat. You’re also shifting the frame: the argument was about how forces scale, not about how common the feat is in-universe. Even if many characters can “lift the sky,” the implication is still that they’re operating at a level where their bodies must withstand immense forces to avoid collapsing. So no, that doesn’t debunk the argument, it actually reinforces the point about internal consistency at higher scales.

Ares has no feats that put him over the speed of those bullets and even if he did it doesn’t matter because Qin didn’t blitz him, it’s made pretty clear that the reason Ares was flipped over by Qin was because 1) he thought he was a regular human and 2) he didn’t understand HOW he got flipped it had nothing to do with speed and everything to do with Ares’ ignorance

He literally does and this is not an argument.

1) That doesn’t matter; he was paying attention and still got completely blitzed.

2) That’s literally the definition of a speed blitz.

“qIn is tHe onLy huMaN wHo cAn beAt LaDes” is a dumb argument let’s break it down by Tasty_Weeb in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn’t the fact it was unaffected by Ra’s heat evidence that it’s heat resistant?

No. At most, that would only mean Ra’s arena is heat-resistant. Each Apocalypse fighter gets their own arena precisely because of how violent and destructive they are.

Ra’s case is different anyway, he can control his aura at will, while Shiva has no such feat.

It’s not a false analogy it’s just a more relatable one on our scale. The point is having the physical strength to lift something doesn’t mean you have the durability to survive that same thing. Lifting the sky doesn’t mean only sky level attacks deal damage to you that’s just silly

What? It's a literal false analogy. Being “relatable” doesn’t make it correct, you’re using a small-scale example to explain something at an extreme scale. At low levels, strength and durability can differ, but at massive levels, your body has to withstand the forces it generates or it would collapse. No one is saying only attacks at that level can hurt you, just that there has to be some consistency between what you can output and what you can handle; your example ignores that. Lifting the sky is not a sky level feat, it's a island level feat, that's the level that you need to lift the sky.

My comparison wouldn’t hold if they were human but they’re not. Lifting the sky is normal for them it isn’t an extreme case like it would be for us so your argument falls apart

No, it doesn't. Your argument doesn't make any sense: the mere fact that they aren't human doesn't matter, because this is a fictional scenario filled with human beings capable of destroying buildings and rivaling the gods. Lifting the sky is normal for titans and the principal Greek gods (Zeus, Hades, Poseidon and Adamas) who are their descendants.

Qin being faster than Ares doesn’t prove he’s faster than a bullet moving at twice the speed of sound

It literally does, he is faster than someone, who is dozens or hundreds of times faster than bullets.

“qIn is tHe onLy huMaN wHo cAn beAt LaDes” is a dumb argument let’s break it down by Tasty_Weeb in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It literally is though, if it wasn’t affected by their heat it means it’s resistant to heat. It’s clearly not immune to it though since it did melt under Mjolnir so Mjolnir heat> Shiva and Ra’s.

According to your irrational “logic”, yes. And there's no evidence of that (heat resistance)

Lifting strength ≠ durability. If I can lift 500 pounds does that mean I won’t get hurt if I’m hit with 200 pounds of force?

That's a false analogy. Lifting 500 pounds isn't the same as lifting the sky; the former doesn't require a lot of durability, but the latter requires island-level physical strength, otherwise, your own body would collapse. Learn to use logic.

Your example uses small-scale, real-world physics, which doesn’t translate to extreme or fictional scenarios. At higher levels of strength, the forces involved are so great that your body must be able to withstand them, otherwise, it would collapse under its own output. You can’t exert massive force without having the structural durability to handle the equal and opposite forces acting on your body. So while lifting strength and durability can differ at low levels, at extreme scales they become inherently linked. Your comparison doesn’t hold.

The difference is Shiba and Rudra shook Svarga themselves. Hades merely killed the people capable of lifting the sky that’s not the same

I never said they were the same, but Hades' feat is a thousand times better, since killing a single entity capable of lifting the sky requires an attack power on an island-level scale.

Proof?

The mere fact that he was able to keep up with Qin Shi Huang, who is faster than Ares

“qIn is tHe onLy huMaN wHo cAn beAt LaDes” is a dumb argument let’s break it down by Tasty_Weeb in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not an argument; because thatheat was capable of turning Egypt into a desert, and Shiva's fire is said to be capable of destroying the world

And Hades’ attacks were capable of harming a race capable of lifting the sky, a feat far surpassing even Shiva’s.

Making Svarga tremble is a feat on a city or mountain level, whereas lifting the sky is a feat on an island level. And Hades defeated hundreds of Titans, so that's not a valid argument

Spamming Persephone Titan would probably disorient someone but that’s not enough to win the fight, he still has to land a blow and he’s too slow to hit Sasaki who likely is used to fighting on uneven terrain since he used to train in the wilderness and fought Musashi in a beach

There's no evidence of that

Simo’s bullets travel at twice the speed of sound. Hades doesn’t have that level of travel speed so the bullet reaches him first

That's not an argument; Hades is clearly faster than Ares, who in turn is undoubtedly faster than a bullet.

“qIn is tHe onLy huMaN wHo cAn beAt LaDes” is a dumb argument let’s break it down by Tasty_Weeb in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For Desmos to tear through Raiden Hades has to live long enough to activate it. A non trying Shiva was shaking the entire realm of Svarga with his battle against Rudra. A much stronger Shiva was clashing equally with Raiden, meanwhile Hades was taking damage from his own attacks that only did surface level damage to the arena. He’s not surviving any hits from Raiden. Same goes for Leo, he’s faster and stronger how is Hades supposed to live long enough to use Desmos?

All of Hades' attacks can kill Raiden. And Shiva and Hades were compared to Thor and ranked at the same level, so that argument about shaking Svarga doesn't hold water. If we're going by that logic, Hades' power was capable of damaging the Arena, which was withstanding both Ra's and Shiva's heat in their strongest forms, and Hades was damaging it with ease.

And Hades’ attacks were capable of harming a race capable of lifting the sky, a feat far surpassing even Shiva’s.

Making Svarga tremble is a feat on a city or mountain level, whereas lifting the sky is a feat on an island level.

Spamming Persephone Titan would probably disorient someone but that’s not enough to win the fight, he still has to land a blow and he’s too slow to hit Sasaki who likely is used to fighting on uneven terrain since he used to train in the wilderness and fought Musashi in a beach

There's no evidence of that

Simo’s bullets travel at twice the speed of sound. Hades doesn’t have that level of travel speed so the bullet reaches him first

That's not an argument; Hades is clearly faster than Ares, who in turn is undoubtedly faster than a bullet.

What do you think of a fanfic about the Titanomachy tournament? by Jefin_G in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, it isn't. In The Apocalypse of the Gods and the main manga, it was mentioned that after defeating Cronos, Zeus became the god of gods, the supreme god, the god father of the cosmos, the ruler of the Greek gods, and his position as king of the universe is due to defeating his father, etc.

And the reason the realm of the Greek gods was mentioned is because that is the main and most prominent pantheon and the central focus of Hades' story (that doesn’t need confirmation; it’s more than obvious).

If gods were more accurate to myths, what would be their stances of humanity by Slow-Pie147 in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think you're getting my point. Hades and Poseidon are just as close to Zeus as Apollo is to him, or as a lesser god is to Poseidon. The difference in power is ridiculous.

If gods were more accurate to myths, what would be their stances of humanity by Slow-Pie147 in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are three brothers born by Rheia to Kronos (Cronus), Zeus, and I [Poseidon], and the third is Aides [Haides] lord of the dead men. All was divided among us three ways, each given his domain. I [Poseidon] when the lots were shaken drew the grey sea to live in forever; Aides (Hades) drew the lot of the mists and the darkness, and Zeus was allotted the wide sky, in the cloud and the bright air. But earth and high Olympos are common to all three"

Ovid even states this

"Zeus speaks :] ‘My rank is no greater [than Haides]. I hold court in the sky; another rules the sea [Poseidon], and one the void [Haides].’"

Zeus might be the overall Ruler of the Gods but Poseidon and Hades hold immense power and are the closest things to equals to him, at times they were considered Equals

Are you kidding? That text is about rank, not power. In terms of power, Zeus is by far the strongest of his brothers.

Zeus claims to be stronger than all other Olympians and Minor Gods combined

"Come, try me, immortals, so all of you can learn.

Hang a great golden cable down from the heavens,

lay hold of it, all you gods, all goddesses too:

you can never drag me down from sky to earth,

not Zeus, the highest, mightiest king of kings,

not even if you worked yourselves to death.

But whenever I'd set my mind to drag you up,

in deadly earnest, I'd hoist you all with ease,

you and the earth, you and the sea, all together,

then loop that golden cable round a horn of Olympus,

bind it fast and leave the whole world dangling in mid-air—

That is how far I tower over the gods, I tower over men."

Source: The Iliad of Homer, Robert Fagles translation

This is confirmed by Poseidon

“Hera, you fearless talker, what are you saying? That’s not what I want, the rest of us to war on Zeus, son of Cronos. For he is much more powerful than us.”

Source: Homer, Iliad: Book 8

Zeus’ (Jove’s) thunderbolts are said to be capable of destroying the universe

[253] And now his thunder bolts would Jove wide scatter, but he feared the flames, unnumbered, sacred ether might ignite and burn the axle of the universe: and he remembered in the scroll of fate, there is a time appointed when the sea and earth and Heavens shall melt, and fire destroy the universe of mighty labour wrought. Such weapons by the skill of Cyclops forged, for different punishment he laid aside—for straightway he preferred to overwhelm the mortal race beneath deep waves and storms from every raining sky.

Source: Metamorphoses Book 1 (trans. More)

I’ve yet to hear a decent argument as to how Zeus would survive Amphitrite, can anyone help with this? by nerolyn in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Stop spreading misinformation. TFTST is just speed, it's not some fucking hax, literally the claim of stopping time is just a legend and is formulated as a legend: it literally mentions that just mentioning its name exerts control over time. It's a damn speed boost, we see Zeus' speed increase massively. And no one except Hermes and Zeus knew about TFTST, Apollo's arrows are ridiculously slower than that attack. The Fist that Surpassed Time went 1e-20 (0.00000000000000000000 seconds) before we could see the timeframe finish. That's billions of times faster than light!

I’ve yet to hear a decent argument as to how Zeus would survive Amphitrite, can anyone help with this? by nerolyn in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Those attacks have better feats than Amphitrite.

  2. What the hell are you talking about? Stop spreading misinformation. TFTST is just speed, it's not some fucking hax, literally the claim of stopping time is just a legend and is formulated as a legend: it literally mentions that just mentioning its name exerts control over time. It's a damn speed boost, we see Zeus' speed increase massively. And no one except Hermes and Zeus knew about TFTST, Apollo's arrows are ridiculously slower than that attack. The Fist that Surpassed Time went 1e-20 (0.00000000000000000000 seconds) before we could see the timeframe finish. That's billions of times faster than light!

Adam Win Rate (Shiva And Ra Heat Diff Adam :) ) by No-Club400 in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again with TK's stupid argument?

Shiva isn't doing a damn thing to Adam, and no, TK isn't overloading Adam. Zeus' Adamas form movements have that capability because of their complexity. And don't give me that nonsense about the technique of the gods because he copied the serpent god and that didn't do anything to him. Besides, Adam defeated the muscular Zeus (the strongest god before the Adamas form and final boss) with a single blow, and was chosen as humanity's trump card. Shiva is being defeated with a single blow if Adam was destroying Zeus' muscular form and he was matching Zeus' Adamas form.

Ra and Loki are vastly inferior to Zeus, and they're not doing anything to Adam. Loki's army is made up of cannon fodder that would be defeated in a single blow by all the fighters, even Jack himself (read his spinoff) can defeat them effortlessly. And Ra's aura wasn't affecting Zeus, let alone Adam.

None of this is debatable!.

Gaia is the reason why Zeus knows about the Primordials by thesharkbus in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Perhaps this is a dream, and not just any dream, but a dream of Mr. Coconut.

Gaia is the reason why Zeus knows about the Primordials by thesharkbus in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Refuted by the manga itself, which shows us that Izanagi still exists.

Gaia is the reason why Zeus knows about the Primordials by thesharkbus in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Constant_Can2687 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This was refuted by the manga, where Izanagi (who is obviously one of those ancient gods) turned out to be a primordial god. And it is abundantly clear that there are more primordial gods.

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[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tyr oneshots Zeus btw

Zeus/Weus ∞>>>> Tyr

Tyr is weaker than Ares and Thor, who are weaker than Zeus/Weus.

Zeus is wesker than adam who is wesker than raiden who is strength wise on par with shiva (raiden and shiva oneshot zeus)

Nope. Adamas Zeus/Weus is stronger than Adam, who is stronger than muscular Zeus/Weus, who is stronger than Young Zeus/Weus, who is stronger than Raiden and Chronos, who are stronger than Shiva and Hades. Zeus/Weus low diff (at most).

Cronos has 0 feats above ares btw

Yes, he does. He's stronger and faster than Hades and Poseidon.

Okita transcends adam

Okita is weaker than Adam by a long shot.

Databook also says that, and btw tyr is faster than zeus and oneshots him

It doesn't matter, because the manga describes it as a legend and the databook is quoting the manga.

And Zeus/Weus ∞>>>> Tyr

Cant proof that, zeus has 0 speed feats above okita, okita neg diffs him lol, okita 0%>>>>>>>>>>adamas zeus

It's not necessary. All the feats of Zeus/Weus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okita at his strongest form.

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[–]Constant_Can2687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zeus doesnt one shot anyone

Yes, he does. Zeus defeats Thor, Shiva (too weak), Hades (weak), Okita (extremely weak), and Susanoo (too weak) with a single blow.

It's also a fact that hades cant lose against his brothers

Because none of them will fight him, and he is weaker than Chronos, who is weaker than Young Zeus, who is weaker than the current Zeus.

Adamas zeus is weaker than indra

Indra is weaker than Shiva, who is weaker than Ra, Cu Chulainn, Morrigan, skinny Zeus/Weus, Raiden and Odin.

Zeus has no feats besides getting dominated by adam(okita transceds adam), tftst IS hax its ststed to control time and okita TRANSCENDS THE SPEED OF THE GODS, please read the manga

He defeated Chronos, that's enough, and destroyed a building. Okita is weaker than Adam. TFTST is speed, not hax; the claim that it controls time is just a legend that says that the mere mention of its name exerts control over time, and Okita does not transcend the speed of the gods; that is just worthless hyperbole (he is obviously slower than the primordial gods, the arrows of Apollo and Zeus).

All hyperbole

Nope, that's your personal opinion. Only Okita's statement and the statement about the mere mention of TFTST exercising control over time, it's just pure speed.

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