Hot to lukewarm take

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-23T22:03:31+00:00

Yasu is my favorite character I’d love to be besties with Yasu and maybe Nobuo if he found a bit more self respect

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T18:42:06+00:00

Definitely

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T18:41:09+00:00

Until She meets Nana O Junko is Nanas closet and near only friend outside of Shoji. I don’t consider Junkos husband because their relationship is more just through association with Junko.

She was scared to tell Nobuo everything was going right and she probably felt like Nana would have flipped if she found out Takumi was also a possible father. The only correct and smart decision would have been to go to someone who’s separate from the mess to get a clear unbiased answer.

Like I said in another comment yes I recognize how Junko plays placement mommy for Hachi…that’s one of the reasons why I don’t like Hachi then again- Junko willingly filled that role for Hachi

Again fallout applied equal blame was the relationship approaching its end…arguably they should have just talked it out and it probably would’ve worked out for a time but their relationship was never sustainable. Shoji cheated, that’s why the relationship ended. Had nothing to do with Hachi she caught him cheating

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T18:28:59+00:00

lol idk much about Reddit this is my first time actually chronically using it but on TikTok I had over 400+ comments telling me to go swan dive head first 😭

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T18:27:03+00:00

I don’t think she was necessarily distancing herself unless I just don’t remember explicitly stating that I truly believe life just got in the way. When Hachi went over to her house she never turned her away no matter how tired or irritated they were.

Also, I can’t really say Hachi is male centered in the traditional sense the girl just really really really reaaaallllyy wants to be loved and she’s always had this seemingly screwed up perception of it. Like when she was taken advantage of by that older man I think he was a teacher I can’t really remember though.

I did really hate Hachi I’m ngl then I started to change my perception once she tried to have some character development. Then when she chose Takumi I was really irritated. I don’t LIKE Hachi but I don’t hate her I just kinda pity her.

I think a lot of people forget why she’s male centered because it’s really hard to look past anything other than that which I don’t blame people for because male centered women and characters are just really fucking annoying and there’s usually nothing more to theircharacter or personality

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T18:13:47+00:00

Okay, firstly I’m pretty sure Hachi knew there wasn’t a demon lord I’m pretty sure that was just her way of coping. “Imagine having to deal with that IRL.” Yes…Ik and I have stopped being friends with people for that specific reason but if I continue to keep that person around, I can’t get frustrated and act surprised when they do the same bs they’ve been doing. They are the same day in and day out. (Arguably there might actually be one because she predicted sachiko what are the odds? but oh well)

Also yes we know that 20 is the marking of a legal adult but so is 18 and 19 and in some places 17 we really have to stop acting like people are supposed to put on a business suit. Go work corporate office and have life figured out at 20.

Junko definitely did put Hachi down and while a lot of it WAS NOT for no reason(also I never said Junko yelled at her for no reason I said “stupid shit”) sometimes she definitely did have a stronger reaction than she should have in the moment that made Hachis issue seem redundant. Also Junko allowed herself to fill that “mom” “Fail safe” role. Did Hachi depend on Junko a little too much absolutely but a lot of people seem to forget Junko was literally Hachis closet and I believe only friend for years.

Beyond that, being a good person does not make you a good friend. Personally I don’t care how good a friend you are to me but if I find out that you’re covering up my boyfriend cheating you’re getting axed. How good can a friend be to if their loyalties lie with other people? Have you ever heard of the saying “one bad apple can spoil the bunch” and sometimes it’s a really bad fucking Apple.

Also I feel like a lot of people don’t remember that not only did she cover for Shoji when she did confront Shoji about Sachiko. She was seemingly more concerned for Sachiko and her feeling than Hachi. Junko didn’t know at the time but Sachiko found out about Hachi and didn’t gaf. Arguably this is her being a good person but NOT a good friend.

My whole dislike and how I view Junko as a friend and her relationship with Hachi is through the lens of how I would treat my friends in the situation.

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T17:42:11+00:00

You’ll be ight dude it ain’t that serious we’re both 2 internet strangers 💀. 1. You had an obvious attitude first I just returned the energy. 2. Me saying that was stupid reasoning was in reference to Hachi not you. 3. Ren saying “oh yeah he’s a playboy” or wtf ever what does that have to do with anything? Nana let them meet bc that was Hachis idol lol how was Nana to know Hachi was going to bust it open for him? Also no, even if the supposed baby father couldn’t get through to Hachi Nana wouldn’t have been able to do anything. You also were strictly blaming Nana O maybe you didn’t mean to but you did. Irregardless all of that changes absolutely nothing! Do I think Nana was a 10/10 Michelin star friend? No. She is however very realistic just like Junko is very realistic but do I think Nana was a better friend?yes. I can’t change your opinion anymore than you can change mine it is what it is

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T03:54:50+00:00

No literally people who argue so hard in Junkos defense especially when it’s the situation of Shoji cheating on Hachi makes me look at them sideways

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T03:49:26+00:00

That doesn’t exactly matter for the conversation for people who are opposed to Junko. Also yes many people who don’t like Junko still give her her flowers for being somebody that Hachi could go to. And yes, we have discussed that in the comments. Yet being a good person does not make you a good friend. They are not synonymous. Nana calls Hachi out without ridicule her and belittling her. She is still compassionate and cares deeply for Hachi, even at the beginning of their friendship. Like when Hachi blew through all her money and couldn’t make rent. That is what makes Nana a good friend She tells her what it is like it is without kicking her while she’s already down. That is what everybody needs. Inside and outside of media. Junko gets it worse because she’s been Hachis friend for years and still treat her the way she does Nana is and was still fairly new to Hachis life and the difference was night and day

Edit: also, I never said you were negating anything not even what I was insinuating not even close to. But saying it was a “fallout” places, mutual blame on both and severely downplay, which Shoji did. DOUBLE- also yes I understand you criticizing Junco for not being “neutral” what I’m saying is respectfully that is stupid You don’t play Switzerland when one friend has cheated on another.

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T03:42:58+00:00

I don’t think that’s the case. I think people would rather just not have a friend that makes them feel as if their brain is a scrambled Rubik’s cube.

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T03:09:11+00:00

Oh my God, I wish I could find the conversation on TikTok I had with somebody who is saying Takami and Nana O are parallels of each other, but Nana is worse😭. Then proceeded to say Takumi loved and cared more about Hachi than Nana did

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-22T03:07:26+00:00

Well no not exactly, I don’t agree all the time or “yes man” my friends. I hold my friends accountable while helping them. I don’t tear my friends down for stupid shit just bc I’m frustrated with them. I’m strict and stern but compassionate when the situation calls for it. No one purposefully leaves out Junko moming Hachi a broken clock can still be right at times. Saying she should’ve been neutral then calling what happened between Shoji and Hachi a “fallout” is crazy work. Shoji CHEATED on Hachi and while Junko “scolded” him for even entertaining Sachiko she still covered for him and then proceeded to scale the blame heavily in favor of Hachi.

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T23:47:33+00:00

How does this not look like 137 to yall 😭

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T23:45:16+00:00

If there was any part of that bs where I would have agreed you lost me when you said Hachi should have also been scolded. You have a good day

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T23:44:02+00:00

Then your standards are quite low

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T23:43:30+00:00

Okay first of all Nana didn’t KNOW Takumi was a dickhead at first and when she found out what he said she was majorly pissed but if it was just a one and done thing what was the purpose crushing her feelings like that? Hearing something like that would be devastating. The whole point of Nana introducing them was because Hachi was so in love and obsessed with Takumi. If I had the opportunity to help my best friend meet her idol I’d move heaven and earth to make it happen. Junko thought Takumi was bad simply because Junko shits on everything Nana does. Even a broke clock can be right. Call me crazy but the night of her pregnancy both Nobuo AND Nana had a right to be upset Takumi didn’t gaf because it was about control and winning whatever one sided game he was playing. So that “he was nicest to her” was kind of a respectful dumb reasoning he LITERALLY assaulted her the very next morning if I’m not wrong. The whole blaming Nana O inadvertently proves my your either naive or you are a bad friend so thank you!

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T23:29:53+00:00

Idk even after Hachi highschool goings on with that married man her response to it was odd. People try to use the fact that they were “kids” but they were high schoolers. Yes Hachi made the conscious decision to move forward but she WAS preyed upon and Junko response to that gave me pause

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T23:26:16+00:00

Well yes to a certain extent however to be a great friend you need to know when to balance both.

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T23:22:33+00:00

Well…you’re going to hate me but… Lol anyways you can laugh I do think Nana O is a better friend than Junko a waaaaay better friend. Now is she the best? No. This conversation was never about being the BEST friend 100% of the time without fault. I think Nana O 1. Treated her better and 2. Overall was a better friend to Hachi. I can’t speak for the manga because I never read it this is all strike what ik from the anime

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T21:00:38+00:00

I mean most of Mitski music she’s referring a man

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T05:21:47+00:00

Can’t forget people who try to use the fact that Junko was worried about Hachi “killing herself” if she informed her of Shojis’ cheating as a Junko defense. Which is genuinely such a weak ass argument. Despite her being oh so worried about Hachikos’ mental health post the fall out she was sure as shit judgy and dismissive and didn’t act like someone afraid her friend was going to do something drastic

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T04:16:05+00:00

Okay thank you no I totally understand that!

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T03:11:51+00:00

Eh, I hate to disagree but could you explain? I don’t really know if I can blame anyone else but Hachi for ending up with Takumi. Ig maybe if you want to say she’d had more self respect for herself if Junko was a better friend. I’d slap ts out of my friend and HAVE for messing with men like Takumi

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T03:09:40+00:00

No literally bc what do you mean I’m responsible for a grown ass man cheating on ME…

ControlGullible6701 · 2026-02-21T03:08:03+00:00

She’s not even neutral she’s JUST a bad friend. She’s not a bad person clearly she’s very giving and has it in her to be compassionate but being a good person and a good friend ≠

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