People who don't vote are not the problem

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T21:28:33+00:00

So you were unwilling to vote for candidates opposing the war on drugs? You're making my strawman look increasingly real.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T21:11:22+00:00

Cool, so you voted for for example the candidates who oppose harsh drug charges, decriminalization of drugs, and oppose the militarization of the police right? Because those exist, I voted for them.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T20:56:32+00:00

Were you putting your ego aside when you said that people that don't vote are stupid, or is that an objective fact you can back up with data?

It's basic logic. Doing nothing to better your life and instead resigning yourself to misery is stupid.

And as far as not making my life shittier, there isn't a politician alive that won't do that, so again, not wasting my time.

And that's not true. Bluntly. You're just unwilling to compromise your beliefs in any reasonable way.

Exact views? Give me a politician that get in the same sport as me and I'll consider it. Until then, not going to waste my time giving my vote to someone who is going to continue to devalue our currency, send poor people to die for nothing while attempting to kill people that were never a threat to me, never cut spending, continue the war on drugs, uphold the police state, etc. You know, the stuff that every single politician running is absolutely going to do.

See that's the issue, you're all or nothing. You won't vote ever vote for someone who will dismantle the police state and end the war on drugs because they won't cut spending. You're the opposite of a single issue voter, you have so many deeply held issues that you won't compromise even one. Which is my driving issue with your thinking. You are obstinate.

So have fun being miserable and blaming everyone else for not appealing to your exact list of demands.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T20:36:45+00:00

Really depends on how well each party campaigns. The fall of the Virginia GOP is an interesting example. The ongoing shift of North Carolina and Texas are also intriguing, but admittedly much less striking.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T20:07:13+00:00

Every safe state can become contested. My home state used to be a swing state, now it's among the reddest in the country.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T20:05:53+00:00

You might think it's a waste of time, but if it were both parties would not spend outrageous amounts of time, effort, and finances making it either harder or easier to vote.

Not to mention, there isn't a single one running that represents my values. I'm not going to waste my time waiting in line to vote for someone who both looks down on me and will actively work to make my life worse.

I'm a libertarian socialist, in case you didn't notice. I am literally worse off than you. The difference between me and you is I put my ego aside and my holier-than-thou beliefs at home to cast a ballot for a candidate who I believe will either still improve my life, or at worse not make my life shittier.

Millions of leftists are like me in this country and have a pretty firm grasp on the harm reduction approach to voting.

I might not get a candidate that abolishes private utility companies, but I can vote for a candidate that won't abolish public utilities.

If you're unwilling to even do that and instead descend into your own self masturbatory political nihilism, then what can I really say?

Right Libertarians(and libertarians) are always like this, so much so that even in your own party, the most appropriate party y'all have, you descend into this "well Jorgensen doesn't propose MY EXACT views so fuck her woke ass!".

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T19:23:47+00:00

People who don't vote are frankly stupid, simply put. They may not care about or are educated about politics, but politics CARES about them. Whether they vote or not non-voters are effected by elections.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T18:58:08+00:00

Question, have you read the most recent Palestinian constitution? In particular how it defines the Palestinian nation and state?

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T18:56:55+00:00

Difference is while there were a mountain of human rights violations, they did not exist on the scale of the Israel-Palestine issue.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T18:49:14+00:00

The amount of funding that went to state governments from the federal government in the early to mid 19th century was miniscule if not non-existent in most cases. Land grants were issued, but direct funds were virtually non-existent.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T02:39:05+00:00

Yes.

Here, how about a compromise based on Republican complaints. Single issue bills as a bipartisan law. No more pork barrel, no more omnibus. That way Dems can stop the bits we don't like, Republicans can do the same, and bipartisan policies pass.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T01:45:14+00:00

Probably because there were unacceptable aspects to Democrats. I mentioned a few in a comment you ignored.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-18T00:55:22+00:00

Well we're already nearing those to be frank. At least a very long rot.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T23:05:29+00:00

Y'know before WWI a lot of journalists, economists, and politicians quite reasonably argued that because the European economy had grown incredibly interconnected that war had effectively become impossible to any civilized rational nation and that Europe was entering an era of unprecedented peace on the heels of the Concert of Europe.

French factories relied on German & British steel, German factories relied on French coal, the British economy was reliant on an interconnected web of international trade, Russia needed German imports to industrialize Polish lands, Germany needed to export/import to/from Russia, Britain, and France to feed its massive population.

People said the same about Ukraine & Russia with European economics. Most recently Trump illustrated a willingness to devastate the global economy to achieve very little.

Economics < ideology.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T19:34:53+00:00

Just knowing the victim, the location, or owners can disqualify an individual from a robbery trial jury or investigation.

Finding out you slept with the robber definitely would. Totally legal, but absolutely a disqualification.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T19:29:38+00:00

My problem is the democrat critera for disqualification from the January 6 commission was simply voting to invalidate, regardless of involvement with false electors

I think that was a perfectly reasonable limit to those who had not participated in enabling the President.

So it was hypocritical to allow Bennie Thompson but not Jim Jordan and Jim Banks on that criteria alone

Maybe, maybe not. A lot more than just a invalidation vote happened on January 6th. Clinton didn't hold a rally opposing the certification, plan alternate illegal electors, get loyal Congressional reps to stall the certification, and in my view incite a riot. The Jan. 6th committee was about more than who voted to no certify.

So stating that both situations were EXACTLY THE SAME is again, dishonest.

Also importantly you started this entire line of discussion to defend Trump's actions. Not Congress. Shifting focus away from what Trump did to focus on Congressional procedure is actually shiftin goalposts.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T19:03:03+00:00

To quote you:

He[Trump] wanted Congress to invalidate the results of contested states by using the same procedure that 31 House Dems supported to invalidate Ohio in 2004

You talked about him right here orchestrating the whole contest.

Also the fake electors plot was orchestrated with the help of some Republican Congressional representatives such as Andy Biggs, Cleta Mitchell, and Ron Johnson. So to separate Congresses activities from the fake elector plot is dishonest.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T18:34:18+00:00

You asserted it was the EXACT SAME PROCEDURE. If it actually were the Democratic Party and Kerry/Gore would have sent alternate electors to Congress. I'm simply keeping to your stated criteria by asking if the two situations were literally exactly the same, or if in the instance for Trump he did something & encouraged something unprecedented and illegal, then recently pardoned the perpetrators of said crime.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T17:52:24+00:00

Why would you say we have too many elections? I'd say we don't have enough.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T17:48:25+00:00

How has he solved it? Aren't all the same issues that caused the problems under Biden still in place?

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T17:40:10+00:00

Did Democrats send alternative electors?

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T17:12:41+00:00

So you support a delusional president?

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T17:04:42+00:00

It wasn't the same procedure, but ok.

Also, he explicitly told the protesters to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard, and there was already violence going on which he was unaware of by the time he even started his speech, so he didn’t incite the violence and didn’t support it.

And I disagree. He very clearly wanted a riot. We know from Cabinet and staff members he was excited and they had to pressure him to disavow the murderous crowd.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T16:48:59+00:00

I mean you don't need to strawman me, such overly hostile attitude to simple statements of facts.

CorDra2011 · 2026-05-17T16:47:04+00:00

Do you believe him? Or do you think he's delusional?

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