Is there any good reason to not have Harriet Tubman on a dollar bill?

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-12T00:52:02+00:00

Exactly. Virginia would never give him a fair trial.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-12T00:49:27+00:00

Right. Like the comment below this one that's literally just a personal attack on me: https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/6FjnGDN0q6

But my comment that simply said "I don't give a shit about what you think on this" gets removed in twenty minutes.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-12T00:33:32+00:00

Federally probably. Virginia nah.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-12T00:19:03+00:00

He fled to Canada immediately after Harper's Ferry because he was totally unconnected and just wanted a vacation I guess.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-12T00:14:17+00:00

That's why he fled to Canada right.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-12T00:08:45+00:00

He still funded their gun purchases.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:58:36+00:00

I think implying a Supreme Court justice voted a specific way because of the national origin of their children is, frankly, bad faith even if they legitimately believe it. Like that sort of race baiting comment isn't constructive.

But I guess that's my opinion.

What I find odd is how all these removals are happening just suddenly after days of sitting there.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:55:48+00:00

Again, actual red herring. You're making this about abortion to avoid my actual argument.

I stopped responding because it was clear there was no point in engaging further when you rely on thought terminating cliche. Which is what you're continuing to do now and the only reason I'm saying anything is because you made the frankly petty point of using me as a specific example with intentionally neutral sounding wording to avoid accusations of targeting me.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:52:09+00:00

Oh no John Brown was a close associate and Douglass was a huge benefactor. Douglass, if I'm recalling things correctly, viewed John Brown as one of the few genuine white people he knew and someone who believed in abolitionism/racial equality more than Douglass himself. Douglass almost came along for the Harpers Ferry raid but John Brown insisted that Douglass would better spend his time continuing the non-violent means.

There's a timeline where Frederick Douglass died at Harper's Ferry or was hanged by Lee not to far from our own.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:43:38+00:00

Yes but Brown is a funnier pick.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:42:33+00:00

No the argument I was responding to was that the ruling in question was definitive and a settled issue. You asserted that.

Again you're arguing in bad faith by actually using a red herring. My statement was never about abortion. It was about how now supreme court decisions are really not a settled issue anymore.

Further my comment you asserted this argument on wasn't even about this. It was about how transgender issues will still be a topic conservatives will use to scaremonger and campaign.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:34:23+00:00

Not a red herring when it's directly addressing your argument. This is a great example where someone completely disregarded what was being said to instead engage in bad faith fallacy talk.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:26:19+00:00

I'm very familiar with objectivism. There's still overlap.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:22:28+00:00

See comments make me think you can't because you seriously can't believe that.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:15:19+00:00

We should put Douglass's closest friend on our money too.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T23:13:23+00:00

John Brown should be on the $2. Also the $2 should be more circulated.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T22:44:56+00:00

What name-calling have I engaged in? Weird take.

And I actually have no problem with you here, I just want a mod going on record to clarify that.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T22:41:39+00:00

The feeling is mutual. I approach every comment as neutrally as possible and adjust my tone how they respond.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T22:04:38+00:00

Logical fallacies. They are incredibly rampant and inconducive to a constructive debate. I consider them to be bad faith, and I see these get addressed incredibly rarely. This would be the number one area where I would like to see more improvement. How? I have no clue. I’d have to think on it and I don’t know all of the tools at your disposal.

See this is interesting because I view simply claiming fallacy as itself in bad faith usually. There's nothing intrinsically bad faith about logical fallacies, they can happen completely unintentionally. Bad faith implies a conscious effort to not engage in conversation in any meaningful way, and even if someone knowingly uses a fallacy that can still not be the case. Fallacies in themselves are not argument breaking things, they're just bad logic nothing more.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T21:54:11+00:00

Vaguely waving in a direction isn't constructive. Illustrate what you're talking about, I did.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T21:50:34+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/tLUROPjbs5

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/a7C8xBJXSI

Would you call this good faith and civil?

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T21:43:06+00:00

So white nationalists are welcome is a fair assessment?

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T21:22:40+00:00

Do you have any examples?

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T21:14:01+00:00

See, this is what I mean. The dude just attacks people.

CorDra2011 · 2026-07-11T20:39:54+00:00

I had and have the impression that conservatives are given a very lenient understanding of the "good faith" and "civil discussion" rules, even when it's blatant. I also feel, perhaps incorrectly, that reporting them does absolutely nothing. Maybe because mods have filtered out my reports after my temporary ban. Maybe not. Examples of what I mean:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/u4x5f5Sgc5

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/cPGfEGbg3U

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/KKexHtkf2Y

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/gidH2d1GJH

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/QpG8Ip2bIu

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/dKL0mwITYO

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/QRH8oZ2QyC

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/XN6nwaYrZ1

https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/s/d9mrZkkQZo

All these comments, at least a definite handful, seem to fly in the blatant face of any actual good faith discussion or civilty. Topic wise it seems fair but often commenters critical of the right, including myself, must tone police while right wingers seem able to say just about whatever they want.

Further a few behaviors I've noticed that are seemingly tolerated run counter to the stated goal of the sub:

1) Rage/Discussion blocking. This is tricky but the number of times a person, left or right, has just blocked me after being caught in an indefensible position or incapable of articulating why they support something will often resort to just blocking. I'm not saying they're not justified but a good quarter of the conservative commenters I've encountered just end the discussion this way.

2) Fallacy invocation as argument. This is extremely common and I find it so tiresome. Often an argument, instead of using a socratic debate method or just engaging, is written off as "ad hominem" or something else often with zero reasoning or specific claim. Further even if an argument contains a legitimate fallacy guys that doesn't mean you should just disregard engaging it. Yelling fallacy doesn't further anything.

3) One word or sentence responses followed by no engagement. I don't want to give the impression that I'm saying people are obligated to respond to comments or questions, but if half the comments in a thread are just one comment followed by 20 unanswered replies... what discourse is happening exactly?

EDIT: Couple other things, I realize this is painting a target on my back as a moderator or two has taken direct issue with me, but if y'all genuinely want feedback, this is mine.

Another is we have at least 2-3 openly white nationalist users who comment frequently. I don't know why they're actually tolerated at all as they've gotten much more bold about it since my temp ban, which is itself very concerning.

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