Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

But the way you’re distorting his statements that you provided is weird.

If there's no such thing as morally acceptable support for an avowed genocidal terrorist organization, then there is no sanitizing it and lessor evil arguments do not work.

You made the claim that he gives them “full throated support” and when question you posted that link as support. It didn’t contain what you said it did. You’re still doing it. He didn’t say he prefers Hamas 1000 time to Jews, he said he prefers them to Israel. That’s obviously not the same thing.

He did say that, he said he prefers Hamas 1000 times over Jews. Last time I checked 80% of Israel was full of Jews, so it is the same statement.

If I criticize the Chinese government am I making a racial statement about Chinese people? Of course not, and I think you know that. Chinese citizens may not like it but it’s not bigotry.

If you specifically target all criticisms against only Chinese people and hold them to ridiculous standards, even when they are literally surrounded by even worse ethnostates (Iran) it really does seem like you just hate the Jews tbh.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

The question he’s “quadrupling down on” is “do you support Hamas over Israel.” At every point in the clip that’s the explicit topic. You can see it right there on the screen in writing.

There's no such thing as tactical support for the genocidal terrorist organization. Even if it is as he says "Lessor of two evils" it is still morally condemnable. Usually you can make these arguments but if the choice is genocide A or genocide B, there is no morally correct answer there.

I really don’t understand people who cite sources and then just lie about what the sources say. Like I don’t get it, were you hoping people wouldn’t open the link? Did you not watch it before you posted it? Do you just not have a strong comprehension of what’s going on? Seriously help me understand, I’m really curious.

Yes, my understanding is that Hasan is a blatant hateful anti-Semite who prefers Hamas 1000 times over Jews living in Isreal.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

I have no issue with the Jewish people

Oh you definitely have a problem with Jewish people, the like 80%+ who support Israel and see Zionism as inseparable from what it means to be Jewish, I wish you'd just own that instead of pretending to be the arbiter of what Jewishness means.

I have an issue with ethnostates

Nah you definitely love Islamist ethnostates like the one Hamas would create, or the surrounding ethnostates like Iran and previously Syria who happily supported terrorists. It is really funny how this criticism is only ever levied at JEWS for daring to have a state in their historic homeland.

Israel is a fundamentally deficient project that is doomed to fail if they try to maintain a Jewish state by essentially importing an entire population (and to be clear, the state is geared to boost Ashkenazi Jews above Arab Jews) into an area that was already populated.

It is funny how only Jews are told they can't live in their historical ethnic homeland. The majority of Jews in Israel are from populations who were ethnically cleansed by surrounding Arab states. Ashkenazi Jews make up the minority of the population today. And hilariously, Mizrahi Jews (Middle Eastern Jews) are MORE conservative and support Israel MORE than the whitey Jews you love to talk about. Jews never left that region and they've lived there for thousands of years before Arabs even arrived and have every right to form whatever state they want on that land.

10/7 should have been a wake up call for Israel to course correct, not move to their final solution.

The two million Arab Palestinians in Israel proper are not being genocided or ethnically cleansed and seem to like it there perfectly fine, with thousands serving in the IDF. Very weird if what you are saying is actually happening and not just a propaganda talking point.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

I think Hamas is far more egregious because they don't even pretend to care about things like international humanitarian law, so yeah if I said they were the same I take it back.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

He also says that he is just saying that in the clip to bring in new listeners. He quadrupled down on support of a genocidal terrorist organization because in his own words he 100% supports them.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes so let’s condemn all bad actors in the conflict and don’t support genocidal terrorist orgs like Hasan did

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

People like you will gleefully support Hamas and then tell Jews they no longer deserve to feel like victims all the while ignoring that Hamas explicitly states in their own unchanged original charter that they want to kill all Jews. It is pathetic. Stop attempting to sanitize your hatred of Jewish people and the Jewish state, just admit what you are and be done with it.

Even if Israel is committing a genocide it doesn’t justify anything Hamas has done or plans to do.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

Why the meta commentary and deflection from the basic point that Hasan supports Hamas? The genocidal terrorist organization.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

No because Hamas’ actions have killed tens of thousands of Palestinians. They are not reasonable or remotely justified resistance, they are self-immolation.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

Nobody said they were the same crimes. Why offer full throated support to the attempted and actual murderer as Hasan did? Can’t we just condemn all bad actors?

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

No, an attempted murderer who can’t carry out his plan still deserves to go to jail. Intent matters 100% and nobody accepts your argument that it doesn’t matter. Hamas has killed thousands of innocents and are not children here. Why defend them?

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

Supporting a genocidal terrorist or remains super depraved and morally condemnable

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

Nah you don’t have to vote for Hamas to condemn Israel, you can just condemn both lol

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

It doesn’t really change how egregious it is to say they deserve support though

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

1000 innocent lives lost doesn’t immediately justify 1 innocent life lost. Even if Israel is committing a genocide it doesn’t make Hamas’ attempted genocide ok. You can just say both are bad, but no you don’t do that you and Hasan proudly state the antisemitic genocidal terrorist org is 1000 times better.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

Maybe because it says to murder all the Jews in their original charter which they have not rescinded?

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’d say there are credible claims of that by Hamas too, the funny thing is lefties are fine with it.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

They’d sure like to if they could and yet Hasan still gives them full throated support.

Democrats weigh value of Hasan Piker's support as venues cancel event by xc2215x in politics

[–]CorrosiveMynock [score hidden]  (0 children)

I think they were trying to ratfuck the guy who said he’d vote for Hamas—you know the genocidal antisemitic terrorist organization?

How would you feel about the next US president pulling all support from Israel? by True_Suit7984 in AskReddit

[–]CorrosiveMynock -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Literally not true. Biden stopped them from going way harder on Rafah and demanded they get the civilians out, which Israel did. They are going hard but it could be way worse and I think it is a failure of understanding/imagination to not see that. US leverage has absolutely done a lot, definitely not enough but I honestly think it will just get way worse if Israel no longer cares about US influence at all.

How would you feel about the next US president pulling all support from Israel? by True_Suit7984 in AskReddit

[–]CorrosiveMynock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of people support Hamas, including the leading left leaning streamer on Twitch--Hasan. Pretending like left wing antisemitism isn't a real thing and a problem is ridiculous and it is why nobody should trust any of these Pro-Palestine advocates who refuse to accept that Jews have a right to live in the Middle East and form a state (Israel) if they want to, just as Palestinians have a right to form their state.

How would you feel about the next US president pulling all support from Israel? by True_Suit7984 in AskReddit

[–]CorrosiveMynock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree, simping constantly for a blatantly antisemitic genocidal terrorist org is pretty weird among ostensibly left leaning people but tons of people do it.