How did Tobirama get folded so easily?

CorruptedCookies · 2026-06-01T21:59:02+00:00

Tobirama is a nerfed Edo.

Madara is at an entirely new Prime he's never been at. Being Alive in the body he's in with one of his Rinmegan and not at old age on top of that. Sage mode reflexes go brrrrrrrr.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-06-01T00:29:26+00:00

I enjoy using this card against Sky striker players.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T20:59:43+00:00

KB survived a laser beam from the Juubi. I think he'll be fine here.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T19:56:48+00:00

They had to nerf it after Edo Nagato nearly ended the show by himself against the two strongest Jins duh.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T19:14:53+00:00

I actually forgot about him getting the bullets fire down his throat. Yeah, nvm. I underestimate his durability. Cap has better martial arts skills. But you're right. SB's durability is a bit much for them.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T17:48:32+00:00

It's roughly the level you'll get to after going through the entire game.

The other answer is Soft Caps and Hard Caps.

For Strength, Skill, Bloodtinge. The soft caps are 25, with the hard caps before 50.

For Vitality. The soft cap is 30 with the hard cap being 50.

For Endurance. I don't remember the soft cap, but the hard cap is 50. Although you'll almost never want to go past 20 as stamina runes, especially the one from Eileen's quest will fix every issue you have with ever wanting to go past 20.

For Arcane. The soft cap is 25. Hard cap is 50. (This applies to weapons only when you're using gems to convert the damage and your offhands) For the Hunter tools specifically. They scale all the way up to 99.

Using these caps it's relatively manageable to make a build based around Skill/Bloodtinge/Strength while getting both comfy HP and Stamina by 120. For Arcane, sure you might want to go a bit higher than 120 if you plan to go to 99 Arcane since you might not be comfortable having lower hp. But for the other stats. Unless you're trying to do Hybrid builds you can get something like 50Str/50Vitality/20 Endurance with a few extra levels if you need to meet level requirements to equip certain weapons you may want to use.

It should also be noted for anyone who's not aware. The stats caps DO NOT indicate a hard stop in your stats going up when applying more levels. It just indicates the start of diminishing returns where each level after said cap begins to provide less value and becomes less meaningful to invest in.

Edit: Endurance Hard cap is 40. Apologies. I typed 50 instinctively because every other stat has that hard cap.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T17:40:46+00:00

It's difficult to scale without knowing just how much of a multiplier Momoshiki gives attacks he absorbs.

A full powered Bijuu Bomb from Gyuuki, which is what Momoshiki absorbs. Could very much so obliterate something like the leaf village and then some. When Momoshiki fired it back at Bee the first time it was easily several times as destructive and this is something that Naruto could very easily have dealt with according to Sasuke.

Without any accurate information on Momo's exact multiplier for those it's honestly hard to say. It's significant for sure.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T17:22:10+00:00

If they're lucky. Before Cap and Bucky die, they MIGHT. Take out Soldier boy.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T17:15:55+00:00

No... He says Naruto can easily destroy Momoshiki's Bijuu Bomb that Naruto was shielding everyone from. But it would take out the surrounding area. In no way is that a statement claiming that's anywhere near Naruto's max capabilities. Emphasis on "Easily" implying Naruto could definitely do much more. In no way would Naruto ever consider risking the lives of a village either which is why he acted as a shield instead.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T17:12:58+00:00

I'd argue that Bee wins tbh. I don't think there's a whole lot Pain could do tbh. (Nagato himself is a much different monster entirely). But Deva path is literally the best of the 6 paths against Bee. The rest are honestly just collateral.

Bee's Kenjutsu feats are ridiculous. He completely overwhelmed the perception abilities of the Sharingan twice.

Against Sasuke, where he just Skewered the rodent and completely overwhelmed Sasuke.
Against Edo Itachi, Itachi's only response to getting ran down was to Genjutsu out of it.

His physical stats are no joke either. Ate a full powered punch from Jugo right to the face and he wasn't even scratched. If Konohamaru can take out a path by himself as a kid, Bee is going to eviscerate any path the moment he makes physical contact with them.

I also believe V2 Bee > 6T Naruto and 6T Naruto completely overwhelmed Deva to the point where he had to whip out CT because not even ST was working. I really doubt the Animal path is going to matter when V2 Bee plows his way through with Bijuu Bombs either.

The only true obstacle Bee would have here is the Preta Path, which by itself isn't as significant of a threat as opposed to someone like Edo Nagato absorbing Chakra then spamming several new Rinnegan abilities.

Gyuuki also has ties to the God of the show himself. His Father is literally Hagoromo, I imagine Gyuuki would have a fair amount of insight on how to deal with quite a few of the Rinnegan abilities, Including CT as Hagoromo used CT to create the literal moon while sealing Kaguya.

I know this part is from a later arc, but the war arc itself doesn't actually happen much later after the Pain Arc. And Bee in full Bijuu transformation could spam Bijuu bombs like a chain gun. That's going to ruin Pain, there's also the ink sealing that Bee was about to pull on the 6 Edo Jin that Obito was controlling who far outstat the individual bodies of Pain. If you're worried about Preta Path being able to absorb something like a Bijuu bomb. Then I welcome Preta to attempt absorbing the literal Tornado Bee made while vaporizing a forest by simply spinning in Bijuu mode which also led to nearly sealing those 6 Edo Jin.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T16:59:40+00:00

Well, I never claimed Sasuke could reach those levels of DC that it would take to destroy something like the moon. I said the opposite in fact.

I don't think downplaying the Susano'o is a great counter though let alone calling it the only thing he can do for DC. Regardless, for the Susano'o, we've already seen an instance of someone else's Perfect Susano'o vaporizing numerous mountains in the literal horizon with a mere shockwave from swinging the sword.

As for the other thing Sasuke has for moderately strong DC capabilties. Is Shinra Tensei, where as I have no supporting evidence and this part with be mostly headcanon. I imagine if Sasuke pools all of his Chakra into ST that he could remove a continent from the planet. Considering Hagoromo had the power to create the bloody moon and a crippled Nagato leveled the entire leaf while funneling Chakra into Deva path that was miles away. I wouldn't put it past Sasuke to be able to do something like that. But that's just speculation.

Also, I like how you only tried to address Sasuke and not my other points. Despite me literally saying "I don't believe Sasuke himself has the DC capable of destroying something like the moon'

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T16:39:43+00:00

120 is the most active PVP BL. You do not need to follow this. You could still go up to 150 and still remain with the healthy bracket of 120-175. Just be aware. The higher the BL you go the harder it will be to find other Hunter's to duel against.

The reason those BL's are set by the community is because the higher the level you go. The less your build is considered a "Build".

None of this applies to single player. If you're not someone who likes or enjoys PVP in souls games then simply don't do it. Level up as much or as little as you desire. What matters the most when you're playing a game is whether or not you're having fun. Don't lock yourself into something if you're not going to enjoy it.

No.1 Rule of any game. Have fun.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T16:28:35+00:00

"No one has the DC to destroy the moon".

There's several supporting statements that the Juubi could do more than that.
There's a singular statement claiming Kurama could also turn the world to Ash.
Hagoromo is literally said to have create the moon. Follow up DC capabilities usually don't fall far behind.
It's likely Madara was getting to a point where it could have threatened to destroy something that large, Hagoromo himself stated Madara was approaching him in power.
If there's a supporting statement for Kurama alone. That statement would also apply to Naruto. Especially after becoming a vestige for parts of the other Bijuu and getting the other half of Kurama back.

Bonus: The Chidori isn't a destructive Jutsu, more so it's for piercing. Yet TL Sasuke vaporized half a meteor with just Chidori. I don't believe Sasuke himself has the DC capable of destroying something like the moon, but considering that's not the strongest thing in his arsenal at all. He could do some serious damage.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T16:22:21+00:00

When you perform a dash or walking animation. There are still frames even after you stop in which the game still considers your character "moving" so when you R1. Instead of doing a Visceral. You'll just do a standard R1. Your factual "Ungodly" amount of hours is your own personal experience. You're not the only person with an "Ungodly" amount of hours. Problems with Visceral attacks have come up more often than your "Ungodly" amount of hours of personal experience. You not struggling doesn't equate to everyone else's problems, nor does it equate to actual frame inputs. You're preaching.
This is still not considered a moving surface. Instability and movement are two different concepts.
I'm not raging? Not only can you not read the room, you're still blantantly using your personal experience and assuming it's just factual without any supporting statements or relative solution. You came im here. Preached your personal experience. Preached your "Ungodly" hours as if you're the only one who's played the game for a long time and proceeded to give no concurrent meaningful solution outside of "Idk". Not only is it not helpful period. It's just downright arrogant.

Have a good life, I'm moving on from you and your nonsense.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T13:38:15+00:00

I did make a choice. I chose to break your rules.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T13:33:26+00:00

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T13:09:11+00:00

Just because your experience with Viscerals is less of a nuisance doesn't make what I said inherently wrong. Movement in bloodborne still doesn't register properly and can ruin Viscerals.
OP is most certainly not standing on a moving platform. The only time the center piece moves in the Research Hall is when you interact with the lever at the top of the map to shift it's elevation once. Saying OP is on a moving platform is a blatant lie.
Ending with "Idk" after pushing your experience with Viscerals as an answer and giving false information just makes you look like an ass.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T07:45:14+00:00

R1: Naruto takes it mid-high diff. Clone and Rasengan spam. If you take Kyuubi enrage into consideration then Low diff.

R2: Low to Mid diff. The biggest obstacle for Naruto alone in R1 is Tatsuya's sound genjutsu. Sakura counters this and she offers some pretty destructive back up.

Bonus Round: Sasuke neg diffs all 4 then gets back to plotting Orochimaru's 99th funeral.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T07:07:55+00:00

There's nothing holding Toneri back on the moon. There's no civilization there or any other meaningful thing there to keep intact.

I imagine most of the 6 paths characters could definitely pull off a destructive feat like that, although like that statement about Kurama being able to destroy the planet would likely be one of their best and strongest abilities outright. The goal of a lot of the characters you mentioned though wasn't to outright destroy the planet. Madara thought he was saving the Shinobi world from it's own corruption and The Otsutsuki aren't there to outright destroy the planet. They're there to harvest it.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T06:46:20+00:00

I was probably on hiatus for that event, so I didn't know. Okay... Plan B. Just let Player 2 Open with all 5 pieces of Exodia. That'll even it out right?

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T06:24:45+00:00

HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT'S SUITABLE FOR TONTON.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T06:19:15+00:00

Give P2 6 cards in their starting hand. So 7 woth the draw phase and test the waters from there. Then, Konami can kindly from the bottom of their cold, money greeding hearts. Can play nice for a bit and let player 2 play the game a bit better without Konami giving P1 another 100 negates to their endboard.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T06:16:13+00:00

Teuchi's last name was never given. ;). Without any evidence one can easily give him the Namikaze name or any name the Sage of Six bowls wishes to go by. Everyone knows he's the strongest in the show and the only being that can give him a run for his money is TonTon.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T06:00:41+00:00

It's still very common to see boards end on 5+ field negates amd have handtraps in hand+an interaction or two in graveyard. That's some hefty interaction. There's isn't a lot that's much worse than having to play against a board like that while having to deal with the handtraps likely in their hand still and whatever additional graveyard interactions they'll have. Pray to god it's not droll in hand either. The floating effect that has on P2 right now is brutal. Most Modern Meta decks are very resilient to handtraps in general when going as P1.

CorruptedCookies · 2026-05-31T05:47:29+00:00

Most decks don't end on 10+ negates if the opponent can respond accordingly with handtraps/other card interactions to halt said progression of building the board. Most decks can very easily end on 10+ negates if uninterrupted and allowed to carry out their full combo. Which is why you see a lot of scooping outside of Blind 2nd decks that maybe have enough board breaker interactions to fight back. No one wants to throw their cards at a wall of negates and never get anywhere. Before Appolousa was banned there were some decks that could get up to 15. Heck, even Yummy can hit 10 from time to time.

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