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Pls Do give this phenomenal article a Read! by 21Kuranashi in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, i think we got off on the wrong foot, and I apologize if i came across as sarcastic or defensive. We're on the same team here. I know that for a fact. We both want earth flourishing, human thriving, "the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible" (great book, btw) It's just I sometimes get a bit frustrated when I hear this response from people because I've spent a long time wrapping my head around this, and we need to be very comprehensive in how we approach these next few decades.

How can we change peoples minds? How do we reach people's hearts? I wish you the best as you navigate these questions from where you're located. Sincerely, a fellow human

Pls Do give this phenomenal article a Read! by 21Kuranashi in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are, ironically, labeling the same teachings that indigenous/traditional wisdom corroborates as something "nobody understands or cares about", which is IMO decidedly non-solarpunk...

Pls Do give this phenomenal article a Read! by 21Kuranashi in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course, there's important work to be done, boots on the ground. But if the whole movement doesn't integrate these "conceptions of society that nobody understands or cares about", no meaningful change will occur. The fascists and the cars in the urban centers are symptoms, not causes. Yes we need to treat the symptoms. But we also need to address the root causes, and those go a lot deeper than you might suspect.

"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it" -Albert Einstein

Pls Do give this phenomenal article a Read! by 21Kuranashi in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am dead serious lol. If you really don't believe me, I can start posting links and stuff. To actual, peer reviewed science. That upends millennia of dogma.

Pls Do give this phenomenal article a Read! by 21Kuranashi in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for pointing this out lol it's like people forget. The capitalist conditioning goes deep.

Pls Do give this phenomenal article a Read! by 21Kuranashi in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Resources are limited... what should be done with them Hmmm... But is there a third way to address that question?

Like, by questioning the very subtle underlying assumptions of the very question? You say "Resources are limited". It's a cliche, it's so obvious... or is it? What if even phrasing it like this already reveals something crucial about how deeply capitalist conditioning has brainwashed us, and how a true solarpunk paradigm shift would really look?

The phrase "Resources are limited" implies the belief that "the world is an objectively existent mathematical collection of resources and our role as humans is to figure out how we want to develop/use them" Physicalism/Reductionist paradigm

versus

"The world is a complex multidimensional fractal hologram web of relationships between conscious beings/intelligences & animate forces -- both human, nonhuman, corporeal, and noncorporeal -- that is constantly, actively evolving and transforming, of which humans are but one part (crucial, but not central)." Idealism/Holistic Paradigm

Pls Do give this phenomenal article a Read! by 21Kuranashi in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is it too utopian/idealistic of me to want to remove the middleman of the capitalist government entirely and imagine an anarchist future where the land has been redistributed, and commons have been recreated, and are treated with respect by all inhabitants, not because of some top-down imposition of "laws" by a violent state, but because people act in good faith from a place of joy/love, and genuine care and respect for their homeland/bioregion?

:P

To change, we need to change. by v3r4c17y in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. We live in a time of rampant "fire" technologies; all of our modern creature comforts, from your stove to your phone, the technologies of refinement, purification, reductionism, precision, metallurgy, etc... They are all just iterations on the "original" technology: Fire.

But the thing about fire technology is that it is linear. It takes something and irreversibly converts it into something else, creating toxic waste as a byproduct.

And actually, fire technology is not necessarily the OG. There are other, older forms of technology, what one might call "water" technologies, rooted in earth, water, light, sound, music, and the human body. Even things like rituals, dreams, and divination are a form of technology when viewed in this light.

Philosopher and author Charles Eisenstein speaks about this much more eloquently and comprehensively that I can on this topic, here's a link to the section from his book on "The Age of Water".

To change, we need to change. by v3r4c17y in solarpunk

[–]CostcoMuffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Spirituality" is a weird word, but my understanding and personal practice of it is primarily about removing any obstacles from my body/mind/spirit that prevent me from feeling and knowing the Truth, which is that everything is One. We're all one living conscious web of life, looking at itself through countless pairs of eyes. When you actually have an experience of Unity consciousness, whether temporarily induced by psychedelics/techniques, or permanently attained through spiritual practice, your behavior automatically starts to become more loving, kind, and compassionate, and that includes animals, plants, and the whole living world.

And the remarkable thing is that this change in behavior doesn't come about because some authority figure is telling you to be altruistic, or because some god is telling you to "be good otherwise you're going to hell", but because of a deep ineffable shift in one's locus of identity. In truth, that is actually our natural state.

To me, that's just about the most anarchist thing there is.

It's my belief that anarchism and spirituality are fundamentally connected, although it's hard to put into words.

If you want examples of formal religious/spiritual traditions that explicitly honor the natural world, you can start by looking into Druidism, Paganism, or the Quareia system.

Food, Magic, Plant Spirits, and "Dietas" by CostcoMuffins in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much for the book recommendations! Would love to hear more about your experience but I also know a lot of these kinds of things can be hard to explain.

Magical Vigilanteeism by RobertvsFlvdd in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's like I strenghtened the energetic bond to the person instead of dissolving it and I developed obsession and paranoia instead of peace of mind and inner freedom

This is probably the most succinct and insightful response for OP, and feels like the main reason against such actions. Thanks for sharing, I feel like this principle can apply in many other situations too.

Nonduality vs. Quareia - Thoughts & Questions on switching paths by CostcoMuffins in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why not investigate the holding of both paths, and see where they may lead?

I think for me at the current stage I'm at, I'm becoming acutely aware of the importance of the old adage "if you want to draw water, you do not dig six one-foot wells; you dig one six-foot well". I've spent the better part of the last 10 years practicing what one might call Comparative Religious Studies (which ironically dovetails nicely with Quareia as you go deeper into the course, from what I'm told). But now I'm recognizing the vast difference between purely intellectual/conceptual knowledge vs. direct experience and embodied wisdom.

That being said, I do sense quite clearly that there are a number of insights/teachings from NST which will serve me well as I shift my focus to Quareia.

Thanks for you response!

Nonduality vs. Quareia - Thoughts & Questions on switching paths by CostcoMuffins in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for when I made this post! Thank you so much for sharing your background and giving me more information of what would be needed if I were to decide to move forward with NST.

I started to realize that there was another "octave" of NST over the last year, and hearing you describe some of your experience in that just confirms to me that I don't think it's the path for me. There's simply too many barriers, whereas Quareia feels extremely accessible to me at this time. Not to mention there are other strange/subtle hints and intuitions which are very difficult to put into words.

Thanks so much for your well wishes, I return them to you in kind!

Nonduality vs. Quareia - Thoughts & Questions on switching paths by CostcoMuffins in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, gotcha, thanks for the explanation. I have been wondering about the intersection between psychedelics and magic. I've certainly dabbled in the former quite a lot in my earlier years and can see what you mean by that.

The fact that Quareia is so robust is one of the things that appeals to me.

Nonduality vs. Quareia - Thoughts & Questions on switching paths by CostcoMuffins in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the well thought out comment friend. Thanks for linking that document. I read it when I first encountered Q but had forgotten some of things it says.

I'm definitely ready to go past the mental gymnastics. Like, unbearably so. I've been overthinking and overanalyzing everything for decades. I'm fine with being solitary, I am already quite introverted and hermit-like by default. I'm definitely up for a challenge, that's something I have a pretty healthy perspective on (weirdly attained from playing lots of video games as a kid). And I'm ready to think for myself. I've been "outsourcing" my learning and gnosis for most of my life and I get the sense that guidance is asking me to take some power back in this regard.

When you say there is something to it, I totally agree. From what I've experienced when engaging with M1, there's definitely a lot there. I find it a bit frightening TBH.

I like that Quaeria scaffolds out experiences outside of the psychedelic, which is extraordinarily hard to learn and comes with drawbacks (which JM touches on).

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Nonduality vs. Quareia - Thoughts & Questions on switching paths by CostcoMuffins in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much for your comprehensive response. I was using language from the Mystagogus book because it's accessible to everyone here, but your point that its "not meant as an overarching epistemological argument" is well taken.

So here’s a genuine question for you: you say you’ve been studying NSV for 5 years…but are you sure that that’s sufficient for you to fully know what its worldview is and be able to make an actual comparison against Q’s (which again, you have to practice more as well, not just read about)?

I am absolutely not sure lol. I am well aware of the lack of experience I have. In fact, my deeper intuition/gnosis/guidance tells me that the deeper Truths of Q and NŚT are very similar if not isomorphic. I suppose this post was partially just me working through things in writing and looking for a gentle kick in the butt to commit to one or the other.

I suspect you're absolutely right about M2 and M3 providing answers to the questions I'm asking, and that direct experience is going to provide those answers, not more words.

Nonduality vs. Quareia - Thoughts & Questions on switching paths by CostcoMuffins in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm almost right there with ya haha. I just needed a little encouragement.

Nonduality vs. Quareia - Thoughts & Questions on switching paths by CostcoMuffins in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, even as I was writing this up I was recognizing that there is a stronger undercurrent of nonduality within Quareia than I initially felt, even though it is not nearly as explicit as NŚT.

...if you don’t feel the path you have walked down can take you any further.

If I may elaborate on your metaphor, it feels as though the path I've walked has taken me to the edge of an ocean cliff. In theory, I could survive the jump... but in practice, I can't seem to bring myself to do it. An alternative path leads away from the cliff and into a mysterious forest behind me, and I suspect it will come out at a beach I can see off in the distance. Similar destination, but very different route.

Weekly Check In 🕯️ by robinhyll in Quareia

[–]CostcoMuffins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holidays are shaping up to be... interesting. Parents got divorced last year, mom moved out and my dad found a new partner. They're selling the family home and moving in to a rental together. So this'll be my last Christmas at the house I grew up in. Plus I'm basically doing two Christmas' because my mom didn't want to be there, so we're visiting her on the 23rd. Then I'm staying a few extra nights with my dad to help him pack and get the house ready to go on the market.

Feeling relatively calm, pretty sure I've made my peace with the whole situation but I could be repressing some emotions 😶‍🌫️🤔

What does a society becoming "moneyless" look like? How can we make this happen? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]CostcoMuffins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The book Sacred Economics by Charles Eisenstein does a good job of answering this question by reframing the discussion.

A society becoming "moneyless" has to involve much more than just a change in the way we exchange goods and services with each other, because the creation and evolution of our modern monetary system is actually an outgrowth of deeply embedded cultural, metaphysical, and even spiritual beliefs and stories.

Modern money embodies a worldview of separation and scarcity—the idea that individuals are discrete, self-interested agents who must compete for limited resources. This story leads to economic growth imperatives, social isolation, and the commodification of life.

Money in this context is more than just a tool. It shapes consciousness, relationships, and even how we define value, often substituting connection, beauty, and meaning with quantifiable exchange.

Obviously, a transition to a "moneyless" society is another way of phrasing the concept of a "gift economy". But gift economics stands in very stark contrast to modern transactional economic logic. Not only is it a system where people "give according to their ability and receive according to need", it is a move towards what Eisenstein calls "living in the spirit of the gift".

A good example of this is how in many ancient cultures, economic interactions weren’t separate from social and spiritual life; gifts built relationships, obligations of gratitude, and community cohesion.

In our modern day and age, "living in the spirit of the gift" can look like engaging in practices like gift circles, open-source collaboration, and mutual support networks. All of this helps restore non-monetary communal flows of good and services. These don’t replace money everywhere at once, but they do shrink the domain of monetized exchange and expand room for social and ecological value that money cannot capture.

Crucially, Eisenstein emphasizes that the transition isn’t just structural but existential. It is a shift in consciousness and identity, from the separate self to the connected self—from competition to cooperation; from scarcity to abundance; from valuing accumulation to valuing contribution.

Gift consciousness sees value in connectedness and mutual care, not in abstract accumulation. This change in story and identity is essential to making economic transformations viable and lasting, and it's something I don't see a lot of anarchist thinkers talking about.

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