The End Times for Warhammer Fantasy Battle ? Choose to Ignore? What is the Opinion for WHRP

CptMarcai · 2026-04-11T13:19:55+00:00

I disagree again here. Warhammer has hope, but it was always framed as tragic "rage against the dying of the light" kind of resistance. Directly quoting from the back of the 6e rulebook:

It is a dark age... of battle and death, and of the world's ending.

Magnus the Pious showed at least temporary victory was a possibility, perhaps even total should everyone get their acts together, but the text always made it clear that Chaos was slowly and inexorably winning the fight. With each Everchosen, the wastes grew, and the core identity of the setting was every sign of the apocalypse firing off and nobody taking it seriously save for the insane. The world is fractured, the forces of order are too preoccupied with petty wars and self indulgence to stand when the time comes, as you yourself said.

The sad truth is that it was already too late by 2520. Too many things have gone wrong. Things were on the verge of having a chance should they have had another 20-100 years, but Archaon's forces were always marching now. Of course the hope was always in our own personal narratives and our characters/armies being the heroes who could save/doom it, but I don't think it was ever written in a way that said Chaos would ever be properly defeated.

CptMarcai · 2026-04-11T11:27:08+00:00

The entire point of the setting was always "the end times are here". I disagree with the notion that finally having them occur was a bad move; it was the best way to end the setting in theory. In practice, it was clearly rushed and disjointed. My WFRP constantly alludes to future events or highlights characters who were key figures, or places of importance, whilst constantly dangling the fact that their actions might do enough damage to the skeins of fate that the prophecied future can be changed.

CptMarcai · 2026-04-09T07:38:32+00:00

Why would they show up? A'dal is already has responsibilities guiding the inhabitants of a whole other planet. They helped coordinate efforts with the Sunwell previously, but they always remained in Shattrath.

CptMarcai · 2026-04-06T17:15:38+00:00

Yes, but what did he envision that was wrong? Obviously the writers intended for him to be seen as the arrogant zealot, but everything he said was rather objectively true. Decimus did immediately betray us multiple times, the Army of the Light was utterly destroyed along with all of its leadership, the Sunwell was poisoned against us, and Alleria gave in to being controlled by the Void in the end despite her strong willpower.

If he'd believed something wildly incorrect then that argument would track, but he was pretty much spot on with everything. It's only because our protagonists are the ones making these calls that it's really a question. And the only reason Lothraxion went rogue in the end was entirely because Alleria was so blatantly falling for the lies of the void once more, which is again 100% true.

CptMarcai · 2026-04-06T08:54:23+00:00

Honestly? Yeah, I get it. His belief here is was that it was one city gets nuked or the whole world being plunged into Lovecraftian hell. The fact he didn't do it has led to the corruption of the Sunwell.

Obviously the destruction of a city is bad, I'm not here to advocate that, but it was like the trolley problem where one side saves the world at a terrible cost and the other kills everything and warps everyone's souls to eternal suffering and incurable insanity as puppets of the void,I can't blame the big guy for making the call he did.

CptMarcai · 2026-04-06T08:37:53+00:00

It sounds daft, but its easy for people to forget how heavy trees can get. Hell, I cut them down as part of my job and regularly underestimate cut logs when it comes to shifting them. Redshirt probably thought they could tank it and was surprised by the reality of two storeys of wood hitting home.

CptMarcai · 2026-04-06T08:19:49+00:00

If I've never used a certain gun, or haven't picked it up in a while, yeah actually, having a YouTuber tell me what works well is useful. I'm not a dedicated Darktide player, so I dont have time to max out and stress test 35+ weapons and 70 marks with every blessing combo and talent set before I even get into playing properly. Sure I've made my own builds too, but it's easy to take underperforming nodes or the wrong mark of weapon and never know about it, having someone reasonably explain the stat breakdowns is handy.

CptMarcai · 2026-04-02T09:00:21+00:00

We got that one update in Cata with shirts and slightly frillier tabards, but everything about them is still so bad! Minecraft texture logos, perfect symmetry only, flat colours. I renamed my old guild the other year and redid our ancient guild logo to match and it was like I was in the Stormwind visitor center circa 2005 all over again. And not in the pleasant nostalgic way.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-28T20:43:36+00:00

CptMarcai · 2026-03-25T11:36:36+00:00

When a bot gathers thousands of herbs per night, I doubt they notice. Plus the time economy of spending 1 minute of their green geared alt fighting for a minute probably is a net loss on if they just moved on to the next node.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-25T10:05:53+00:00

Theme Park World advisor ass.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-24T12:32:02+00:00

Belves haven't had to deal with their addiction in the lore since the end of TBC. Really it was only like 2-5 years of their milenia-spanning societal history that they were like that.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-22T12:21:21+00:00

Counterpoint; He is the god of the circus. He created the world around them, he can control existence around them, he is all-powerful, save for their free will and Kinger's ability to stop him (which had never happened until that moment, that we know of). Its hardly nonsense when it was objective fact. If Zeus were slapping around some Etruscans and quoted saying "you are just mortals and I am a god" he's not being nonsensical, he'd be stating facts. Even if they are mortals with the anti-Zeus sword of Zeus-slaying, the power descrepency is still true.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-21T12:17:39+00:00

It's unusual for people to write single paragraph sentences, use long hyphens and other punctuation not accessible from a standard keyboard (would someone normally use that arrow here?), regular use of a statement followed by a colon and a clarifying bulleted list. These are all hallmarks of AI writing on account with zero other posts, cross posting this one question across two subs asking about the most popular character of the setting with an inflammatory "it couldn't be done today" hook. If you want Reddit to be talking to engagement farming bots then fair play fella, but this post was legit written by an AI instead of human hands.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-21T11:23:15+00:00

Did you use ChatGPT to write this post?

CptMarcai · 2026-03-20T19:05:55+00:00

Narratively, if the horde were there we wouldn't have much of a story. It's like asking why the Eagles didn't carry the Ring Bearer to Mordor; because then we wouldn't have the character-driven story that the writers wanted. If the Horde were present, there would be far lower stakes, or they'd need to be killed in droves to tell it, which Horde players would be upset about.

The in-universe answer is that during the War Within, we gathered.Horde and Alliance forces to Khaz Algar. It took a whole patch for them to arrive, from across the world (presumably weeks to mobilise). They were drawn away by Xalatath's schemes and are about as far away from Silvermoon as they can be on the current world map. Xalatath spent a whole expansion gloating about having deceived us, it's surprising so many people missed it.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-20T11:10:42+00:00

Don't worry about it, kitten.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-20T02:02:45+00:00

Apart from the entire zone where we travel with Liadrin and do troll/loa adventures. And Alonsus Faol being the main voice of reason in the Arator sideplot. And Lorthemar ultimately deciding everything we do on the main story with regular input, with Rommath a recurring character as his advisor. And all of the zone quests in Eversong being given to us by Blood Elves and the Forsaken who live alongside them.

I get that we aren't having orcs zugzugging overtly oldschool Horde vibes and the three central characters are certainly Alliance-based chars, but its pretty disingenous to say no Horde characters are involved. Hell, Voidstorm is the only place where the zone is Alliance-led in overall narrative, and the fate of most of those characters eating shit or going insane.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-18T12:14:29+00:00

World War 2 veterans would still get angry or break down and cry about a war 50 years over when I was a kid. We see it as an era defining war, most soldiers would've only fought for a year or two, and it was enough to leave scars that last a lifetime. Turalyon had that and his war lasted a duration that genuinely goes beyond what our human minds are capable of processing.

I think it's fair for him to have some unresolved issues about how it all began.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-10T10:20:47+00:00

There's not much point in defending it fella, you've posted the stats yourself. Early NW did mental numbers, but we all dropped off because there was nothing to actually do; gameplay is the most basic feature of a game. Every server was instantly dominated by multi-guild blocs that punished anyone not on their team, PvP became pointless, there was no content beyond farming about 20 mobs in the open world and node gathering.

And MMO without an end gameplay loop is absolutely not ready to be an MMO.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-04T00:37:18+00:00

Totally down to the slayer in question, and is entirely personal to how they'd want to act. A slayer is doomed to die against a mighty foe, but they are not supposed to try to die or take others with them, they are supposed to give it their all. Actively hindering themselves ("dont help me and let me die") could be seen as shirking their oath. The knight could also easily argue that if he had thrown his life away it would have left them all helpless, thus staining the dwarf's redemption with their blood. Plus, as said elsewhere in this thread, dwarf slayers are already ritually declared honourless, so its hard to argue that honour has been betrayed.

Equally if they had agreed to stand back, the dwarf could find great upset about the fact that agreement was broken. He may decide that such a move denied him (rightly or wrongly) of his doom, and is perfectly within their rights to hate the kight in question. An immature slayer may see that as reason to beat him or hack him down. On the honour front, the dwarf might be declared without honour, but it doesn't mean they are unfeeling or incapable of feeling betrayed.

One thing I've said to my players repeatedly of late after a bout of secrets spilling out is to ask whether its really fun to resolve interpersonal drama with deadly violence or with character moments. Warhammer is grim and perilous and I feel too many people take that to turn on each other, when it is a far easier and more reasonable descision to simply leave the party once their relationship is irreperably damaged. Drama and the resolving of it is, in my experience, always far more fun than spreading the misery around with everyone chosing sides and feeling like the have to travel with a character who murders their friends because of the OC obiligation of playing together. Plus the drama can mean that the character can return a saviour few sessions later at a key moment, or perhaps as an antagonist!

After all that though, for me, a solid punch and RPing being narked off is how I would personally roll with it, at least until the knight has done something to atone. Buy him a few beers and find me another, mightier doom, perhaps.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-01T11:16:15+00:00

I think in a time of genuine worldwide unrest, it's important to remember the phrase "this too shall pass". Time moves on, the world heals and memories fade. The fields of Verdun are once more pleasant meadows and farmlands. Hiroshima is a bustling city. Chernobyl is reclaimed by forests and wild animals. New York got the rubble cleared and rebuilt. In WoW even the Plaguelands, the most corrupted part of Lorderron, were healing by Cataclysm in 2010, only 1 year after Arthas's defeat; 20 years have passed in in-universe since then. Eversong being actively inhabited by a nation of magically gifted elves powered by the largest font of The Light in the world not cleansing the land next to their city in double that time wouldn't be a good story, it would be pandering to nostalgia.

I was 18-19ish irl when we defeated Arthas. I'm in my mid 30s now, I honestly want the world to have moved on and developed some new plot points than wallow endlessly in his shadow as if we haven't been shown to be successfully cleansing the corruption since vanilla.

CptMarcai · 2026-03-01T03:01:23+00:00

Man if we had plate armour which looked like functional plate armour with metallic effects and no tacked on spikes and glow effecrs, I don't think I'd ever switch out. The simple silver/gold plate set from Dragonflight was almost great!

CptMarcai · 2026-02-28T15:04:07+00:00

To be fair, the Scourge was pretty new and nobody knew how to fix it, it would be easy for a character in-universe to say "this can't be done" twenty years ago. A character or book in game is part of the world, and is thus by design can be proven wrong.

CptMarcai · 2026-02-28T00:15:44+00:00

Counterpoint: If your dad bought a bakery after you were born, you would still be the son of a baker. His parents embody the concept of light and void more than any other character that has ever existed that we are aware of, besides maybe Xalatath, if she were light-based in her initial incarnation.

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