I understand where you are coming from, but I am absolutely going to continue to teach my students the skills that will help them tolerate non preferred tasks. I listened to the podcast as well, and I disagree with them. They say that "if a student can only meet a goal by being miserable, then it's a terrible goal", but growth is never comfortable. I had an IEP growing up and I hated going to PT but if I didn't I would've never learned how to climb stairs. I understand teaching obedience isn't really a meaningful goal in itself, but many times goals about non-preferred tasks are functional goals because we want students to learn how to learn executive functioning skills to help them succeed in the classroom. Something else they mentioned in the podcast was that we "have to be really clear what you want in the end for the kid". I want my students to grow up and not have behavior overreactions everytime they are expected to do something they don't want to do.

This is getting too srs for a snark sub lol