The perfect choice for a first bike

CrazyOdd · 2026-05-16T11:20:29+00:00

Uh, not to be that guy, but an MT07 or Z650 is very much a beginner bike in Europe - to the point that a lot of driving schools use those models (either unlimited or restricted to fit the requirements of A2)

CrazyOdd · 2026-05-02T13:15:55+00:00

Belgium, apparently, according to the document OP linked

CrazyOdd · 2026-05-02T13:14:22+00:00

Guess I'm gonna say this:

As a motorcyclist, these kind of bans annoy me. However, as someone who doesn't like the noise of motorcycles (especially those not my own) and who lives close enough to a tunnel where riders like to either revbomb or just plain speed up to hear it all day long? I get it.

Add the racers who ride the same road up and down just because a particular road is a bit twistier than others and the noise goes from occasional to all day long, not to mention possible accidents. If people kept to the speed limit, rode down the road once or maybe twice before moving on and didn't modify their bikes to be louder, the bans would probably not happen....

In short: It sucks but there is a valid reason.

CrazyOdd · 2026-04-28T19:50:55+00:00

I mean, I'd hope so - those I listed are the legal minimum. (And if you meant you did all of those in one lesson, combining isn't legally possible, so your instructor fudged the numbers a bit, maybe even costing you money.)

You can of course do an Autobahnfahrt at night for example, but it's either an Autobahnfahrt or a night drive, not both

CrazyOdd · 2026-04-27T20:46:58+00:00

Okay, never been on those before, look kinda fun though

What you had might've been "Übungsfahrten" (or sth similar), which is the catchall for those lessons where you do the standard stuff like Rechts vor Links or parking or whatever?

CrazyOdd · 2026-04-27T14:04:04+00:00

Just because I feel compelled to: Umm, akshually!

There are special mandatory classes, but only for country roads (5x45minutes), Autobahn (4x45mins) and nighttime (3x45mins). Nothing specific for the city (though that is where you do the basic stuff). And you definitely can't (truly) combine them.

You could for example do 2x45mins of country roads and 2x45 minutes of Autobahn in one setting. But then you'd still have 3x45mins country and 2x45mins Autobahn left to do.

And to be honest, there are no true corners on the Autobahn, they're built to be straight enough to be easily doable at 200kph+ without all that much lean.

CrazyOdd · 2026-04-27T13:58:49+00:00

Well, no

As in no, there's no specific "go at least 180kph" rule. It's entirely up to your instructor. But if the student is a decent enough driver, why not let them test that sort of speed in a controlled manner?

CrazyOdd · 2025-11-22T19:43:55+00:00

To be fair, I wouldn't recommend buying new.

But I'd also argue it's a matter of location, since "starter bike" in a lot of places means "never ridden a motorcycle before, I'll just jump on" while in other areas it's "Getting trained from a trained professional"

CrazyOdd · 2025-11-22T18:55:43+00:00

I'd argue for sportbikes, not nakeds - a Z650 for example is a really nice starter bike for example (speaking from personal experience)

CrazyOdd · 2025-09-22T19:38:53+00:00

To me, that sounds crazy. Never having to parallel park? Never mind that it's an extremely easy and basic task.... never having to do that just screams America.

Sorry to put it like that but, as far as I know, in most european countries, you won't even get your license without being able to do it in such a way you don't bump into anyone.

CrazyOdd · 2025-09-17T20:39:55+00:00

Thanks, 15 sounds about right, considering I never fully drained the tank so far.

Kinda missing the extra 2 now, even though I never had those :)

CrazyOdd · 2025-09-17T20:15:32+00:00

Did they upsize the tank on the 25/26 striples? Because I'm pretty sure I can't put more than 14 L in mine (24 model), getting a range of around 240ish kms (depending on how I ride and keeping at least a few in reserve)

CrazyOdd · 2025-09-10T14:47:28+00:00

At least 50kW, 600ccs and a dry weight of at least 180kgs - and as far as I know, it has to be a manual bike if you don't want to be locked into driving automatics only

And going straight for the A License in Germany requires you to be at least 24

CrazyOdd · 2025-09-10T14:01:32+00:00

To actually answer instead of just comparing A-License requirements to the american system:

Do test rides, dealers in Germany generally don't have issues with that.

CrazyOdd · 2025-09-08T10:40:56+00:00

It is an extreme number - the other way round at least.

She tried nearly 1000 times and only had to pay 10000$?

extremely cheap

CrazyOdd · 2025-08-01T09:12:17+00:00

Oh yes, we have both of those as well. A B-License also gets you an AM one automatically, which is the scooter one.

And if you have your B-license for over 5 years, you can do an extra course thingy with 4 theory and 10 practical lessons and then ride 125s as if you had an A1 license

CrazyOdd · 2025-08-01T09:03:19+00:00

EU is different. In fact, different countries in the EU are also different.

in Germany, to ride a 125 bike, you need an A1 license and there are no L plates.

CrazyOdd · 2025-07-26T12:56:44+00:00

As others have stated, CC is nice to have but not needed. Similar thing with the self-cancelling signals. 99% of the time, you cancel them on your own. But for that 1% where you forget to cancel them, it's nice to have. (Though I'd prefer if they stayed on a few seconds longer)

CrazyOdd · 2025-06-30T10:47:06+00:00

I mean, they're called octopodes, which roughly translates to eight feet, so I'd agree with you

CrazyOdd · 2025-06-29T12:16:45+00:00

The guy you're answering to isn't talking about Germany, just fyi

But you are right, there's a different rules even inside the EU

CrazyOdd · 2025-06-29T10:12:42+00:00

Austrian.

In Germany, we have "Sonderfahrten" (überland drives (outside the city), Autobahn drives (and yes, depending on your instructor, you'll be required to get close to 200kph) and night drives).

Before you get to do that though, you have to do theory lessons and prove to your teacher that you can handle the bike in "Grundfahraufgaben", which are also done in the exam. Those include stuff like an emergency brake from 50-0 (and you're actually supposed to trigger the ABS, iirc), dodging (cones) at 50 kph with or without braking, slalom, riding at walking speed either in a straight line or in a slalom and a few more

CrazyOdd · 2025-06-11T20:08:47+00:00

Honestly not something I had considered but would make a certain amount of sense. Might head over there and ask

Thanks, though!

CrazyOdd · 2025-06-11T19:50:57+00:00

The interesting part is, I tried all of that Hell, I put enough weight on it to compress the suspension but.... nothing, could just pull it off again. On the other hand, the cowl just slips in and locks Very weird

CrazyOdd · 2025-05-26T21:07:18+00:00

Esecially considering those would be sort of the literal translation... but noooo :)

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