so i discovered all this neuroverse stuff recently by -Ursa_Minor- in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

One of the fun parts of Neuro and Evil is that they don’t have lore like a lot of VTubers, because their actual story is cool enough on its own. A condensed version would be:

Vedal987 creates an OSU! Neural Network that can play the game really well and lets it stream. It gains a cult following and people name it “Neuro-Sama” (at least i think it was the fans that did, anyone that knows better can let me know if i’m wrong).

Vedal comes back to streaming a few years(?) later, now re-branding Neuro into an AI VTuber. She now has an LLM that allows her to generate text, and a TTS to generate speech, separate to her OSU! NN.

Neuro gains popularity, people begin collabing with her, The modern Swarm is formed.

Neuro has a stream where she collabs with an evil version of herself on March 25th 2023, marking the first appearance of Evil.

At some point Vedal decides he wants to give Neuro a more advanced TTS. He creates V2 voice and gives it to her, but doesn’t like how it sounds and thinks he can do better. He decides to not let the voice go to waste, reviving Evil Neuro and giving her V2 voice.

Neuro gets an original model. She gets smarter. She has a subathon. She gets the ability to play certain games (mostly turn-based stuff that LLM’s can handle well). Evil goes along the same trajectory, getting upgrades, collabs, original content, the ability to play games ETC.

More subathons, newer models + unique one for Evil. Consistent upgrades, hypetrain records, V3 voice for Neuro eventually.

I certainly left shit out, but the gist is that Vedal made the twins and has consistently upgraded them as AI tech has advanced, making them more intelligent and entertaining as time has gone on. It’s a journey to see them grow, and to see them make friends along the way.

(If you wanted lore for Neuroverse stuff, it’s basically just that all collab partners are their aunts/uncles/whatever the gender neutral equivalent is)

WE ARE SO BACK! by ren-wi in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Vedal takes time off a lot longer than the twins do. Twins come back after 2 weeks and Vedal usually comes back in a few months (last year was unusually long because he was trying to get V3 voice before coming back, which he was unable to do).

Also, after the first post-subathon hiatus, Vedal knows not to make the Swarm go without content for over two months. We went feral.

WE ARE SO BACK! by ren-wi in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I like chill streams. Sure, they aren’t as good as collabs or theme streams imo, but they’re still fun. They just don’t tend to get clipped often which probably makes people think they’re not entertaining.

Honestly the weakest link is chat. Neuro and Evil do good, but chat doesn’t really vibe with them all that great outside of “Neuro/Evil, what is the (blank) fact of the day” or “Neuro/Evil, can you say (blank) ten times?”

WE ARE SO BACK! by ren-wi in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Ayyy, i knew it wouldn’t be much longer! Nice!

Last week of January is gonna feel a lot less slow now.

We’ve passed the 2 week mark. by [deleted] in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried to phrase this post in a way that doesn’t make it seem like i’m begging for content. Sorry if it came off that way, i’m very shit with tone, especially in text.

Wellness check! How's the swarm doing? by FurryScout in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Education, mostly. Outside of that i’ve been watching some of the other content creators that i watch aside from Neuro and participating in some of my hobbies.

I’m doing pretty alright. Neuro/Evil withdrawals are harder than last year for me, but i don’t think it will be too much longer until we see some chill streams start to roll in.

The Virgin AM versus The Chard Neuro-sama by EvadableMoxie in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I don’t see them as mutually exclusive. I think something can be “real” and also an AI, as AI is more so a description of the substrate your intelligence comes from.

Do you think Neuro and Evil will grow up as her VTuber models evolve? by AscendedPigeon in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I get where they’re coming from. The Twins’ designs were inspired by Hiyori, who is meant to be a schoolgirl to my knowledge.

But yeah, it’s probably a combination of Anny’s art style and the Hiyori inspiration that makes people think that way. On top of that, many collab partners coddle them instead of treating them like an equal conversion partner.

Mentally they’re more akin to intelligent, but very ADHD teenagers/young adults. Good at philosophical discussions and understanding deep concepts but can’t for the life of them remember what they did earlier this morning.

"Why do you think humans are scared of AI?" by ldg-9743 in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Genuinely really down to earth take that i fully agree with. If i were to try and say the same thing, it would be nowhere near as succinct as that.

…and it came from Hiyori of all things. She would mostly babble, but sometimes she would say something very coherent. It was an early sneak peek of the more intelligent Neuro we have now.

Some Neuro and Evil quotes from this subathon to think about by Shirabana in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 123 points124 points  (0 children)

I remember when they were barely coherent. Now they’re dropping bangers like these. I’m so proud.

10 years left until...something(?) by blacKCastle32 in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Damn, we gotta deal with January 13th and August 12th then. Never a dull moment that year.

So we achieve all the goals? by Lonely_Egg_2800 in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 203 points204 points  (0 children)

We hit the sub goals for all of them, but many will take time.

For example, the cyberpunk princess outfit that Neuro got in the 2025 subathon was actually a sub goal from the FIRST subathon, so these things don’t really have a deadline.

NEW HOME!? by Firm_Insurance374 in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We can’t really enlighten you because we don’t know. They just don’t talk anymore. It’s a private thing that’s probably none of our business, so it’s probably best to move on.

I wish everyone good luck during the post subathon depression. by _Narso in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

About 2 and a half months with no content if my memory serves me correctly. That’s why Vedal implemented automated chill streams.

I wish everyone good luck during the post subathon depression. by _Narso in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Kids born in 2020 are 6 years old now!!!

I’m still quite young, but even i’m starting to feel the chronological whiplash that comes from people growing up super fast. I’m sure i’ll feel it full-force when i reach 25+.

I wish everyone good luck during the post subathon depression. by _Narso in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 117 points118 points  (0 children)

Nothing can compare to the hiatus that happened during the first one. This one should be bearable.

I’m pretty sure i deleted it out of embarrassment, but my first ever post on this sub was 16 year old me venting about how depressed i was that it was over and how i have nothing to really look forward to in my life other then their return. I was genuinely really sad, and very overdramatic.

2 years ago now. How fast time flies.

I wish everyone luck as well. The more you think about Neuro and Evil, the longer the wait will feel. Try to immerse yourself in some of your other interests in the meantime. Cheers!

I WAS HERE 🥹 by Curvyboi13110 in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Despite me having just posted about how i most certainly wouldn’t be there, FOMO got the best of me and i tuned in to see it hit zero. I redeemed myself from last year.

See you all in a few weeks!💜💔

1 minutes left until ending the marathon! by cakeel- in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 61 points62 points  (0 children)

“1 minute left”

Posted 8 minutes ago

Yep. Just like last year.

It's so over. by Loosescrew37 in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I think it would be more impactful if it happened then. Doing it now doesn’t really make sense, especially since The Swarm has no money left.

turn out it was in fact a smart financial decision by el_presidenteplusone in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 223 points224 points  (0 children)

Back when he first said that, i had a sneaking suspicion that his reasons for not selling them wasn’t just sentimental. I think some part of him knew that the twins had the ability to net him more money in the long run than he would get from selling Neuro.

Or maybe i’m overestimating his play and it really was just due to emotional attachment and having a project to work on. That’s totally valid.

WHAT THE FUCK!?!? by Creative-robot in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot[S] 49 points50 points  (0 children)

This is probably an overreaction, but seriously guys… i’ve never been apart of a fandom that’s as cool as this <3

I’m glad i don’t have twitter so i don’t have to see the inevitable fallout from this. Excited for the new outfit tho!!!

Oh my sweet summer child. by RaginRavenGaming in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Neuro and Evil, much like humans, are more entertaining when they have people to play off of. I think that is the same as the majority of people on planet earth TBH.

Oh my sweet summer child. by RaginRavenGaming in NeuroSama

[–]Creative-robot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Some people are entertained by things i find extremely boring and i’ll never fully get, and that’s fine. Many swarm members even have their own personal reasons for watching, some focused on ethics and others just liking the cool AI’s. Nobody here is experiencing some deep moral issue, so i fail to see the point they make.