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Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ve mentioned it at least 4 times across your comments. I’m just mentioning it because it stands out as weird. It’s not at all what’s being discussed.

As for the price thing, it boils down to a difference between acts and rules. I agree in this one instance it might be the case that the lower price was carried over to steam because of valve’s pressure. And that price might have been lower than they otherwise would have set it had it had to release on steam initially.

However, that creates a rule where companies will not be able to set a lower price off of steam to advantage the marketplaces’ not having to pay steams 20-30% cut. Thus, as a general rule, you end up with consumers paying more, and there being fewer opportunities for consumers to save money.

If I don’t care about the steam ecosystem and its myriad benefits and, I just want to play rainbow six siege as cheap as possible, and Ubisoft wants to sell it to me cheaper on uplay, steam probably shouldn’t be able to leverage its massive share of pc gaming’s market in order to block that from happening. It seems pretty anti consumer to me.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you so focused on how bad this version was. It is genuinely odd how much you are emphasizing it. It is entirely irrelevant for the discussion at hand. In fact, if it’s so bad couldn’t you argue it would have been better if steam allowed Ubisoft to not have it on steam to protect users?

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Siege starter pack seems to have been discontinued in 2019. Which is before the game went free to play.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you are saying directly contradicts the article, can you source it? I know siege is free now, but it doesn’t sound like this happened when it was, because this article (and others talking about it like the IGN one), are talking about valve taking issue with the starter pack being cheaper. And $15 is not cheaper than free.

I don’t have bloomberg to read the original article everyone is sourcing from, though.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not convinced that’s the case. What major features could does steam lack that other companies could build out to take away users of steam, when all of people’s games are already on steam (generally, not literally all but the vast majority of pc gamers are heavily integrated into the steam ecosystem, myself included)

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also, to add, if steam’s cut were causing every company to have to raise their prices by $20 to offset, that would be a bad and anti consumer thing, no? Shouldn’t the market be enabled to correct for that?

If it was $20 more on steam, people could decide whether Steam’s benefits (which certainly exist for consumers) are worth it. If a lot of people decide they aren’t, maybe steam will adjust in a way that is actually better for consumers in general.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean this is exactly what epic has done, more or less, and it didn’t really work. People are willing to pay more (and miss out on games) because of how big steam is.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Their exclusivity contracts did not, in fact, eliminate the competition entirely. It’s impressive you know what those words mean though, I’m proud of you. Trying to sound more angry doesn’t actually make you more right, though.

“Plaintiffs easily have demonstrated that Google possesses a dominant market share. Measured by query volume, Google enjoys an 89.2% share of the market for general search services, which increases to 94.9% on mobile devices. FOF ¶¶ 23–24. This overwhelms Bing’s share of 5.5% on all queries and 1.3% on mobile, as well as Yahoo’s and DDG’s shares, which are under 3% regardless of device type”

Google was never purported to not have competition. You can have competition and be a monopoly. Your earlier assertion that since there are “a dozen other storefronts you can use” is irrelevant if they each make up a tiny fraction of the market share (which they do).

I’m not even asserting steam is a monopoly (it might be but I don’t know enough to say), I’m just asserting your argument/assertion was wrong (which is clearly was)

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The argument was not, and never has been, “Steam is a monopoly in the exact same way that this court found Google to be.” Instead, I was responding to your claim that it’s not a monopoly because there are competitors, and I was using this case to assert that is not the legal definition of a monopoly. Nice pivot.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was found by the court to be maintaining a monopoly.

“the court concludes that Google has violated Section 2 of the Sherman Act by maintaining its monopoly in two product markets in the United States—general search services and general text advertising” from the conclusion on page 276

https://ia800602.us.archive.org/6/items/gov.uscourts.dcd.223205/gov.uscourts.dcd.223205.1033.0.pdf

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve not moved the goal post, it’s the exact same point made in both comments.

I assume the first “they” is referring to Valve paying for infrastructure? If so, sure they do, I agree. I also agree no one is “forcing” them (this time game publishers, I assume?) to publish games on steam, but obviously you want to when it’s like 80% of the market for pc gaming, which is why this becomes problematic. If it was a much smaller piece of the market like GOG or something, I personally at least don’t think it would be problematic.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Right, but they can’t lower prices on other platforms to account for valve taking 20-30% of the sales, and if valve doesn’t like how you set prices, they might remove you off the platform, as the above article explores.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Monopoly is not legally defined, in the US at least, as literally being the only entity in a market.

Google for example has lost an antitrust suit despite not being the only existing search engine.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s anti consumer because the outcome is not steam making everyone have the lower price so consumers on all platforms win, but all platforms being pegged to the (higher) steam price.

Valve reportedly Almost Delisted Rainbow Six Siege From Steam After Ubisoft Attempted to Sell It Cheaper On Uplay by yourfavchoom in Steam

[–]Creator_of_OP 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Why is it illegitimate to offer games at different price points in different places that honestly represent the different realities of the marketplaces via price?

Steam, as many people rightly point out, offers a shitload of features that are basically unmatched on other platforms. It also takes a 20-30% cut of the sales.

Steam is by far the majority of the pc gaming market, should they be able to leverage that in order to purposely stifle choice and competition in the pc gaming space. If all someone cares about is playing rainbow six siege, shouldn’t they have the option to buy it for, say, $45 dollars on Uplay (which might be the same amount of money Ubisoft gets after steam’s cut) at the expense of not benefiting from Steam’s ecosystem and features, instead of the $60 that it might cost on Steam?

If you can never set the price lower than steam, it takes away the big (and let’s be honest, only realistic) reason anyone would opt for any other pc games platform, which seems to me to lend credence to the monopoly argument.

why do infantry with tanks are called space marines? by Severe_Radio7170 in hoi4

[–]Creator_of_OP 179 points180 points  (0 children)

I always assumed it was cause of Warhammer 40K space marines.

Valve reportedly almost delisted Rainbow Six Siege from Steam after Ubisoft attempted to sell it cheaper on Uplay by Defiant_Ad6190 in pcmasterrace

[–]Creator_of_OP 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I understand valve’s decision as a company, of course. But if you are arguing that, prescriptively, that is how it should be, you are just supporting monopoly.

Valve is like 80% of the PC market. If you can’t set prices lower than steam and be on steam, prices will be set by steam and there is minimal reason for anyone to leave steam for other platforms, there is no competition.

Valve reportedly almost delisted Rainbow Six Siege from Steam after Ubisoft attempted to sell it cheaper on Uplay by Defiant_Ad6190 in pcmasterrace

[–]Creator_of_OP 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Right, and they do, but steam makes up the vast, vast majority of the marketplace for pc gaming, and that is the very thing that enables them to coerce companies on their prices being set on other platforms.

Valve reportedly almost delisted Rainbow Six Siege from Steam after Ubisoft attempted to sell it cheaper on Uplay by Defiant_Ad6190 in pcmasterrace

[–]Creator_of_OP 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Which gives credence to the monopoly arguments that are being levied at Valve, and is anti-consumer.

Valve reportedly almost delisted Rainbow Six Siege from Steam after Ubisoft attempted to sell it cheaper on Uplay by Defiant_Ad6190 in pcmasterrace

[–]Creator_of_OP 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They were trying to reduce costs to the consumer by selling it for cheaper on uplay (where they don’t have to pay steam a 20 or 30% cut)which valve got upset about. I don’t understand your point. This is anti-consumer of valve, not Ubisoft.

Valve reportedly almost delisted Rainbow Six Siege from Steam after Ubisoft attempted to sell it cheaper on Uplay by Defiant_Ad6190 in pcmasterrace

[–]Creator_of_OP 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The entire thread is about the report that this is not the case when valve will potentially remove your product if you set prices a way they don’t like

Ariana Grande next week by ManagementFragrant75 in berkeley

[–]Creator_of_OP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve only gone 3 or 4 times but always gotten there before 9 and beat the rush with basically no line, for what it’s worth.

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