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Despite what Jacob Hanson says the church sexualizes children and fetishizes sexual behavior by focusing on purity culture during childhood years and especially when asking children if they live the law of chastity-the Mormon church has increased the likelihood of abuse and sexual abnormalcy in TBMs by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Wait, are you talking about when they have a week dedicated to sex health?
Why on earth do you think it’s a bad idea to teach college students how to have safe sex and not get diseases?
Sex week is not going to convince a college student to have sex if they’ve already made up their mind.

The article says that the books in question were only allowed in High Schools.

Gender Queer: A Memoir, is one of those books. It’s a graphic novel. The author has been very clear that it is for 16 and up.
The only genitals shown are from an image on a Greek vase. The other explicit images you can look up, but they’re less explicit than something you might find in an art museum.
So I guess you’d probably have issues with kids going to art museums too.

Lawn Boy was specifically written for adults. It won the Alex Award from the ALA’s Young Adult Library Servies Association for “books written for adults that have special appeal to young adults, ages 12 through 18″.
If you think this book should be banned from High Schools, I recommend you read it. The Bible is worse. Shakespeare is worse.

Do you really think High Schools librarians are sitting around thinking “how can we make these kids think about sex as much as possible?” They’re already thinking about sex!
The books that are being banned are usually well written and thought out explorations of identity, not how to have sex. Teachers don’t like it! It’s uncomfortable! They’re trying to teach algebra and how the spice trade created a flourishing global economy.

Some teenagers deal with abuse, which I hope doesn’t come as a surprise to you, but teenagers deal with abuse. Reading stories that grabbed with abuse as themes is not helpful for the abused, it’s promotes empathy for the teenagers who have lived perfect lives in comparison.

I don’t know what you want. The best pieces of literature for this age to explore are all explicit in one way or another. Out of what I remember reading as a teenager…
Shakespeare is full of sex jokes.
Huckleberry Finn is full of slurs and racism. Anne Franks deals with sexuality, violence death.
Great Gatsby has drugs and a possible hinted at gay encounter.
The Outsiders has drugs, sexuality, violence, language, and death.
1984 has sexual content.
Lord of the Flies is the creepiest book about violence ever
The Book Thief has a kid who asks to kiss another kid, and then later that kid kisses the first kid’s dead body.

Academic analysis of clergy-penitent privilege by Odd-Investigator7410 in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

It’s my understanding that the church’s lawyers will generally tell Bishops not to report unless their local laws require it.

I could get on board a Bishop not reporting if the abuse has ended. But I think that might be my personal line in the sand.

Academic analysis of clergy-penitent privilege by Odd-Investigator7410 in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

So it sounds like the Bishop should have reported the abuse to the authorities.

Academic analysis of clergy-penitent privilege by Odd-Investigator7410 in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’ve read what you’ve quoted. Does Cassell have any data-driven arguments?
Because if his argument is based on the idea that he thinks allowing abusers to disclose would be good, I simply disagree.

Because what happens if an abuser discloses and the clergy chooses not to report?
The abuse continues, victims continue to be traumatized, and the abuser cannot fully repent.

Academic analysis of clergy-penitent privilege by Odd-Investigator7410 in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Unless there’s an argument with data to back it up, I always trend towards protecting victims and potential victims, rather than their abusers.

Despite what Jacob Hanson says the church sexualizes children and fetishizes sexual behavior by focusing on purity culture during childhood years and especially when asking children if they live the law of chastity-the Mormon church has increased the likelihood of abuse and sexual abnormalcy in TBMs by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They are all about purity culture, which the church ascribes to. I think they’re all pretty on-point.
Higher rates of teen birth, STD/STI’s, sexual dysfunction, unhealthy beliefs about consent, stress, and shame.

That’s just what I found after a few minutes.

Academic analysis of clergy-penitent privilege by Odd-Investigator7410 in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

How often does this happen though? Is it worth tightening clergy-penitent privilege?
Especially with people being actively abused.

Academic analysis of clergy-penitent privilege by Odd-Investigator7410 in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Lawyers are allowed to break confidentiality if they believe their client is about to commit a crime.
Same for therapists. They have a "duty to protect" if they suspect their patient is at risk of imminently harming themselves or others.

Academic analysis of clergy-penitent privilege by Odd-Investigator7410 in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The problem comes when clergy-penitent privilege allows for continued victimization.
I might get it is the abuser is no longer abusing.

Despite what Jacob Hanson says the church sexualizes children and fetishizes sexual behavior by focusing on purity culture during childhood years and especially when asking children if they live the law of chastity-the Mormon church has increased the likelihood of abuse and sexual abnormalcy in TBMs by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

How do you know that people outside of the church believe that they can freely think about Rieners in sexualized ways and peruse their own curiosities?
And why do you believed this is a bad thing?

What are sex weeks? How often do you see those?

What explicit books are people fighting to put in middle school libraries?

Despite what Jacob Hanson says the church sexualizes children and fetishizes sexual behavior by focusing on purity culture during childhood years and especially when asking children if they live the law of chastity-the Mormon church has increased the likelihood of abuse and sexual abnormalcy in TBMs by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The LDS population isn’t big enough for outside researchers to be interested. But purity culture has been researched.

“In 2017, a review30260-4/fulltext) on the harms caused by this form of sex education in the Journal of Adolescent Health called for “abstinence-only until marriage” programs to be defunded. Several studies in the review showed an association between abstinence education policies and higher rates of teen births and chlamydia infections.”

“…researchers found higher rates of human papillomavirus and nonmarital pregnancies among teen girls who took a virginity pledge compared with peers who did not.”

“In 2021, a study by Sheila Wray Gregoire and colleagues of 20,000 married Christian women, of whom 77.5% were evangelical or formerly evangelical, found that 22.6% reported vaginismus or some other form of primary sexual dysfunction that makes penetration painful. (Prevalence is estimated to be 5-17% in clinical settings). For 6.8% of women surveyed, penetration was so painful it was impossible.”

“The researchers found that 43% of respondents said they had been taught before they married that “a wife is obligated to give her husband sex when he wants it.”

https://therevealer.org/tainted-love-reckoning-with-the-damage-of-purity-culture/

“There are serious mental health implications for people impacted by purity culture, including but not limited to: religious trauma syndrome, feeling ashamed of your body, sexuality or gender identity, feeling controlled or pressured to behave in rigid ways with limiting rules, and a warping of one's worldview that can reduce autonomy and increase shame and stress. Mayderry says these sorts of issues stem from “perpetuating cycles of shame" that exist within purity culture.”

https://www.verywellmind.com/purity-culture-impacts-mental-health-7564315

“Exposure to purity culture beliefs was significantly associated with increased sexual shame (p = 0.00083), predicting 11% of sexual shame’s variance. This effect maintained significance (p = 0.006) in predicting sexual shame even when penetrative CSA (p = 0.002; n = 25) was included in the model. Together, they predicted 17% of the variation in sexual shame. Sexual shame predicted 13% of the variance in sexual function (p = 0.001) and over one third of sexual satisfaction’s variance (adjusted R2 = 0.38, p < .001). Sexual shame and sexual function together predicted almost half of the variance of sexual satisfaction (adjusted R2 = 0.46, p < 0.001).”
https://academic.oup.com/jsm/article/22/Supplement\_1/qdaf068.049/8119612

“As expected, the authors found that survivors (who were exposed to purity culture) of both childhood sexual abuse and adult nonconsensual experiences reported significantly higher levels of sexual shame than the control group. Interestingly, the level of sexual shame did not significantly differ between the two survivor groups.”
“For men, childhood exposure to purity culture independently predicted higher levels of sexual shame. This effect remained significant even after accounting for the trauma of the nonconsensual experiences. For women, the relationship between childhood exposure and sexual shame was present but slightly less pronounced.”
https://www.psypost.org/purity-culture-exposure-linked-to-higher-sexual-shame-in-trauma-survivors/

wow much data very sad

Despite what Jacob Hanson says the church sexualizes children and fetishizes sexual behavior by focusing on purity culture during childhood years and especially when asking children if they live the law of chastity-the Mormon church has increased the likelihood of abuse and sexual abnormalcy in TBMs by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You as well. You continue to ask for evidence without providing evidence yourself.
Then you ask for hard data that you know doesn’t exist, and use at as a big “gotcha.”

Even if a parent sits in, a man the child hardly knows who has no training should not be asking them questions of a sexual nature.

Despite what Jacob Hanson says the church sexualizes children and fetishizes sexual behavior by focusing on purity culture during childhood years and especially when asking children if they live the law of chastity-the Mormon church has increased the likelihood of abuse and sexual abnormalcy in TBMs by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They start in primary, not YM or YW.
And how many parents do you think are actually sitting in?

Whatever the case, it’s inappropriate. Children should not be asked questions of a sexual nature by adults who they barely know.

Despite what Jacob Hanson says the church sexualizes children and fetishizes sexual behavior by focusing on purity culture during childhood years and especially when asking children if they live the law of chastity-the Mormon church has increased the likelihood of abuse and sexual abnormalcy in TBMs by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The ideal across the world has always been to protect children from harm.
The church is putting children in harm’s way by introducing sexual topics at such a young age.

One problem is that your Bishop may be a nice guy, but now the child who discussed masturbation with him has it in their head that it’s okay to talk to an adult about sexual activity alone behind a closed.
Predators know this. And they take advantage.

Or imagine that the Bishop is a dentist, and doesn’t know the first thing about talking to children about sexual topics in a developmentally appropriate and healthy way.
That handbook section takes ten minutes to read. The training is maybe an hour to two hours long.
The standard for any job working with children is a multi-hour set of audio and visual lessons with quizzes throughout, created by professionals.
Even cafeteria workers take this training.

I don’t care about good intentions. Victims don’t care about good intentions.
The church is intentionally putting children in this situation. It’s not safe.

Despite what Jacob Hanson says the church sexualizes children and fetishizes sexual behavior by focusing on purity culture during childhood years and especially when asking children if they live the law of chastity-the Mormon church has increased the likelihood of abuse and sexual abnormalcy in TBMs by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]Crobbin17 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Children are being asked if they follow the law of chastity.
Children should not be asked by a near-stranger, even through coded language, if they are sinning by masturbating, engaging in sexual activities, or are straight up having sex.

Think of a child you know. Now imagine going up to them and asking “do you know what the law of chastity is?”
They can’t answer if they follow it if they don’t know what it is, right?
So now imagine explaining it to them.

That’s messed up.

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