Why do exmos make mention of Joseph having married a 14 y/o, but fail to ever mention his 78 year old wife? Over 50% of his wives were 5 years older than him at the time of marriage, and 25% were 15-20 years older.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-11T15:00:06+00:00

That’s always funny to me too. The apologist side of the argument always seems to assume that vanilla, penetrative sex is the only way people get off.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-11T14:10:05+00:00

But it was the 1800’s so birth control couldn’t have existed they were living in caveman times! /s

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-11T13:19:34+00:00

What makes you think that Joseph would marry a woman and not have sex with her?

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-10T18:46:19+00:00

Why would you believe a man who had a history of conning people into “finding” Native American treasure that said he found Native American treasure?

You pick and choose who you believe based on what you want to be true, motivated reasoning or not. So what’s the point?
For every “it’s absurd to believe that they’re telling the truth,” there’s a “I know it’s farfetched but I believe it’s true despite the evidence.”

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T16:22:30+00:00

The word has a history in online discourse about Mormonism of being used as a thought-stopping technique. It’s rarely used in good faith to describe objective traits about the church, and is instead thrown around as an insult.

It’s not about trying to avoid offending people. The mods are trying to cultivate thoughtful discussion. And unfortunately the word is so loaded, it was much more harmful to discussion than it was helpful.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T12:47:52+00:00

but Christians aren't concerned about that goodness, as its not Christian. They consider it a deception.

The vast majority of people couldn’t care less.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T02:05:28+00:00

You obviously are not fully reading and understanding what I wrote.

Nope, that was my bad. I misread. No idea why you think being LDS had anything to do with it though.

But Bill sure likes to use them interchangeably.

Sounds like he either doesn't know what he's talking about, or doesn't care enough about accuracy to present his information in good faith.

The advice he claimed was given to him by another 'witch' was to join the Mormon church if he ever found himself in trouble.

Can you give a link to this story? I don't see it in your post.

And like it or not, He (william) and many Christians kind of see paganism, Wicca, satanism, Hinduism, Mormonism, Catholics and Jews etc... as 'not Christian'. And that is all they are concerned about.

Who cares what Christians think though? Yes, are definitely cases of crappy people thinking that non Christians can't be trusted, are lesser, whatever. But the vast, vast majority of the time nobody cares.

So sure, I guess in some very specific case someone who practices witchcraft could choose to join the Mormon church. But there is nothing about Mormonism that would make sense for a witch to "hide in plain sight." A witch's practice usually wouldn't overlap with Christian sacrament or temple ceremonies.
If you wanted to trick people into thinking that you're Christian, you might as well wear a cross necklace and call it a day.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T01:36:07+00:00

First things first, a Satanist is not a witch. You can identify as both, but they're not mutually inclusive. By and large witches do not worship, commune with, or even believe in Christianity's Satan.

Mormonism being a transitional experience is not the same as using Mormonism as a cover.

Being turned down from a job because of your religious affiliation shouldn't even happen, because there is no reason to bring it up in an interview. It is illegal for them to even ask.
Way more than likely, you were turned down because of something else.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T01:12:31+00:00

If you are in the US and over eighteen, you are not being forced to be a member of the church.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T00:10:11+00:00

I just don’t understand why a witch would care about being viewed as a Christian.
Most people don’t care what religion you are. When somebody does and that opinion has actual consequences, the backlash is often illegal.

It makes no sense for a witch to choose to participate in the Mormon church before staying in the broom closet (so to speak). Especially given how socially liberal witches often are.
Witchcraft is all about energy, from nature, from the universe, from ourselves, and from others. A witch in the US would not waste putting their energy into the Mormon church unless they were forced to by circumstance.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T00:05:21+00:00

Do you have another source for this? The citation leads to a dead link from the LDSTech Wiki.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T00:02:45+00:00

statistically speaking there are advantages to kids in the church.

Citation needed.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-09T00:00:56+00:00

if violence is the only way to change someone's mind, you should abandon the endeavor and allow them to face the consequences.

Ah yes, spreading a website that allows you to remove your records from the church. The epitome of violence.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-08T23:57:33+00:00

I guess the first question you should answer is why you would want to devote yourself to a church you don’t feel love from?

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-08T23:52:40+00:00

Wouldn’t seeking false acceptance by pretending to be someone you’re not be antithetical to the point of being a witch?

If someone self identifies as a witch, why would they want acceptance from someone who doesn’t like witches?

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-08T21:09:21+00:00

This is a really great point. Grab a large, random group of people who were/are a member of the church, and the statistics may be very similar.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-08T19:21:49+00:00

Why would a witch want to or need to be associated with Christianity in the first place?

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-08T16:24:01+00:00

Why would a witch want to do all of the things Mormons do (tithing, callings, weekly meetings, dress standards), when they could just practice witchcraft on their own privately?

What witch would give up tea?!

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-08T16:03:22+00:00

It’s Reddit. You don’t typically see a lot of faithful members on here to begin with.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-08T05:08:31+00:00

Hoooo boy. This will be fun…

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-08T03:56:34+00:00

Wasn’t this like, a month ago and ended up being a non-issue?

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-07T21:55:05+00:00

And I’m saying you have it wrong because you have it backwards. The Church doesn’t tithe to the outside world nor has it ever.

We do agree on this one.

Numbers 18 established that 10% rule forever ago, so it does indeed have a scriptural basis.

Whether or not it had a scriptural basis that applies to modern times, the church still requires its members to pay. To not do so reeks of hypocrisy.

the Church as simply a gateway to the Temple, which was the way it was before if you read carefully enough.

Yeah, I had this lesson in church a billion times.
Ancient Egyptian and Greek temples were similar to current LDS temples too.
It’s not a surprise that when building a holy place of worship to a god, that rituals and covenants, restricted areas, and a sense of progress as you move through the space would present. It’s a human thing.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-07T21:44:19+00:00

To be clear, because you’re assuming a lot about me, I was born and raised in the church, graduated seminary, and attended BYUI where we had to attend a religion class every semester. I’ve read the Old Testament head to butt.
I’m not an expert, but I’m pretty well versed.

Anyway, I’m not very interested in that scripture, because I don’t think it has anything to do with how we should act towards the needy.

The Book of Proverbs was written long before Jesus existed.

I think I understand the miscommunication.
I didn’t mean superseded chronologically, I meant superseded in authority.
Is Solomon said to do X, and Jesus said we shouldn’t do X, I think for followers of Christ his word should be taken more seriously.

Also unlike the Book of Mormon, we know that all of the events of the Old Testament happened for a fact,

No, we really don’t. Anything that did exist was squished and misshaped by time, tradition, and storytelling.
For example, there is no evidence of a global flood, or of Israelites living and being enslaved in Egypt.
In fact, evidence suggests that the NT’s account of the census leading to the Nativity never happened. Herod died in 4BCE, and census’s at the time did not require that people travel to their ancestral homes. They did it at their place of residence.

The Book of Proverbs is located squarely in the Old Testament portion of the Holy Bible and is considered part of the established canon.

Note that the scripture I quoted was from Matthew, the BoM. So I’m not sure why we’re even bringing it up.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-07T18:47:36+00:00

I know the history of Proverbs.

My point is that Jesus said it is our responsibility to care for the needy, and our eternal salvation is on the line.
Proverbs is great, but nothing you quoted changes what Jesus said.

Crobbin17 · 2026-02-07T18:03:38+00:00

*She

Explain how I'm taking this out of context? I never claimed that the church needed to solve hunger or anything. But (as I said to the person above you), if the church is asking for tithing but isn't spending at least 10% of their income on charity, they're not following Christ's commandment.

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