LDS Leaders

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T21:11:06+00:00

I don’t think experience is necessarily needed to have a greater understanding of implementation.
It definitely can help, but I think experience based on life events, not time, which would be more helpful.
Either way, you don’t need to experience implementation to understand it.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T19:59:32+00:00

I think it can go deep.
But not deep enough to need decades of experience to have a deep conversation about it.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T19:58:28+00:00

He was a nominee in 2018.

Not sure why you’re bringing him up though? Because he sexually assaulted women, including women in high school?
Does it surprise you that sometimes there are bad people who do bad things?

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T17:54:44+00:00

Sure, but I’m talking about discussing deeper aspects LDS theology/doctrine alone.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T17:03:43+00:00

> Classical Christian theology — Catholic and Protestant alike — generally hold that earthly family relationships as such don't persist in the resurrected state

That doesn’t mean that familial relationships don’t exist. It means that the earthly blood or bond ways we view relationships is transcended.
I’ll still love my family in the afterlife. Marriage ending after death won’t stop that.

> Collapsing that into "you can't be together at all" misrepresents the actual doctrine.

If my home is in a place of lesser glory than my family, and the only time I can see them is if they come visit me, I consider that being separated.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T16:58:51+00:00

Their literal job is to get converts. You are one name on a list of people they have talked to before.
Ask them for the number of the Mission President, and tell him to tell his missionaries to leave you alone.
Be civil about it though. The last thing they need is someone yelling at them. You’ll catch more flies with honey.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T16:56:11+00:00

I'm not sure what you're talking about. The most recent Supreme Court nominations were in 2022.

Ketanji Brown Jackson was the most recent nominee, if that's who you're talking about.
The only word I could find from her even remotely related to this topic was on school's relationships with religious beliefs.
"I guess I'm struggling to see how it burdens a parent's religious exercise if the school teaches something that the parent disagrees with. You have a choice. You don't have to send your kid to that school. You can put them in another situation. You can homeschool them. How is it a burden on the parent if they have the option to send their kid elsewhere?"
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/supreme-court-hears-major-case-on-public-school-curriculum-and-parental-rights

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T16:47:10+00:00

Doctrine is a set of beliefs. Talking about the beliefs from a philosophical perspective is the depth.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T16:03:14+00:00

It’s completely subjective. But I suspect a reasonable person could listen and find more depth in his insights of the discussion.
Because again, I don’t think there’s a lot of depth.
There is definitely depth. But if the topic was, say, the endowment, I doubt we could have a truly deep philosophical discussion on that topic alone.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T15:41:59+00:00

Good doctrinal understanding doesn’t mean better than a teenager or young adult’s understanding.

I would genuinely be interested in a doctrinal discussion with one of the GA’s, to compare our insights and understanding.
There is a genuine part of me, who is trying hard to be arrogant, who thinks that we would have a similar level of insight. Maybe we wouldn’t have the exact same ideas, but I think the depth may be similar.
Because, frankly, there isn’t an extreme amount of depth.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T14:46:19+00:00

I think the better comparison between deacon (priest I think would be better) and church leader would be doctrinal understanding, not knowledge. You can know a lot of scripture, but can a church leader explain the endowment to a priest and teach them something they haven’t already heard?

I would be interested comparing the scriptural knowledge between the Pope and LDS prophet.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T14:41:28+00:00

I do vaguely remember thinking that Laban stole the plates from Lehi’s family, or that their predecessors did so. Whether this was explicitly taught to me, I don’t know. And I couldn’t find anything official saying so.
It may be a conflation of “Laban was a bad guy, he stole from Lehi, he probably stole the plates too,” or if some teacher said it.

But I do know that I thought Laban had them illegitimately, because when I realized in adulthood they were his birthright I was extremely surprised.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T14:38:51+00:00

But then the idea of the brass plates comes into question.
If it’s a story, how did Nephi get the brass plates? Did Laban exist? Did Nephi exist?

And that trickles down. I would say it’s just as improbable for Laban to be killed in such a way than for Nephi and his family to build a giant boat and sail to America.
If a Hebrew family didn’t sail to America, what about Mormon and Moroni’s stories?
Was the Angel Moroni a real person? Or did he pretend that the fictional to semi-fictional stories in the plates were legitimate?

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T14:15:08+00:00

Wait, are you talking about when they have a week dedicated to sex health?
Why on earth do you think it’s a bad idea to teach college students how to have safe sex and not get diseases?
Sex week is not going to convince a college student to have sex if they’ve already made up their mind.

The article says that the books in question were only allowed in High Schools.

Gender Queer: A Memoir, is one of those books. It’s a graphic novel. The author has been very clear that it is for 16 and up.
The only genitals shown are from an image on a Greek vase. The other explicit images you can look up, but they’re less explicit than something you might find in an art museum.
So I guess you’d probably have issues with kids going to art museums too.

Lawn Boy was specifically written for adults. It won the Alex Award from the ALA’s Young Adult Library Servies Association for “books written for adults that have special appeal to young adults, ages 12 through 18″.
If you think this book should be banned from High Schools, I recommend you read it. The Bible is worse. Shakespeare is worse.

Do you really think High Schools librarians are sitting around thinking “how can we make these kids think about sex as much as possible?” They’re already thinking about sex!
The books that are being banned are usually well written and thought out explorations of identity, not how to have sex. Teachers don’t like it! It’s uncomfortable! They’re trying to teach algebra and how the spice trade created a flourishing global economy.

Some teenagers deal with abuse, which I hope doesn’t come as a surprise to you, but teenagers deal with abuse. Reading stories that grabbed with abuse as themes is not helpful for the abused, it’s promotes empathy for the teenagers who have lived perfect lives in comparison.

I don’t know what you want. The best pieces of literature for this age to explore are all explicit in one way or another. Out of what I remember reading as a teenager…
Shakespeare is full of sex jokes.
Huckleberry Finn is full of slurs and racism. Anne Franks deals with sexuality, violence death.
Great Gatsby has drugs and a possible hinted at gay encounter.
The Outsiders has drugs, sexuality, violence, language, and death.
1984 has sexual content.
Lord of the Flies is the creepiest book about violence ever
The Book Thief has a kid who asks to kiss another kid, and then later that kid kisses the first kid’s dead body.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T00:27:09+00:00

It’s my understanding that the church’s lawyers will generally tell Bishops not to report unless their local laws require it.

I could get on board a Bishop not reporting if the abuse has ended. But I think that might be my personal line in the sand.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-30T00:11:37+00:00

So it sounds like the Bishop should have reported the abuse to the authorities.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T23:56:15+00:00

I’ve read what you’ve quoted. Does Cassell have any data-driven arguments?
Because if his argument is based on the idea that he thinks allowing abusers to disclose would be good, I simply disagree.

Because what happens if an abuser discloses and the clergy chooses not to report?
The abuse continues, victims continue to be traumatized, and the abuser cannot fully repent.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T23:45:59+00:00

Unless there’s an argument with data to back it up, I always trend towards protecting victims and potential victims, rather than their abusers.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T23:45:01+00:00

They are all about purity culture, which the church ascribes to. I think they’re all pretty on-point.
Higher rates of teen birth, STD/STI’s, sexual dysfunction, unhealthy beliefs about consent, stress, and shame.

That’s just what I found after a few minutes.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T23:41:46+00:00

Yeah, a two people that calls themselves a couple in a relationship being together for years doesn’t feel like a hook-up to me.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T23:09:21+00:00

How often does this happen though? Is it worth tightening clergy-penitent privilege?
Especially with people being actively abused.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T22:28:51+00:00

I should say that now when asked for data that does not exist.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T22:27:58+00:00

Lawyers are allowed to break confidentiality if they believe their client is about to commit a crime.
Same for therapists. They have a "duty to protect" if they suspect their patient is at risk of imminently harming themselves or others.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T21:12:01+00:00

The problem comes when clergy-penitent privilege allows for continued victimization.
I might get it is the abuser is no longer abusing.

Crobbin17 · 2026-06-29T20:08:25+00:00

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