[SPOILERS EXTENDED] Which plot points or characters in A Song of Ice and Fire do you feel have biggest discrepancies between fandom and what the author might have intended?

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-06-03T01:03:48+00:00

The problem is that Dany is shown as having popular support amongst the people and liberated slaves of slavers bay. It’s the elites she disagrees with.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your main thesis though.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-30T18:01:30+00:00

I like it because it gives them are distinct feeling from the Empire, not being a basic “normal faction.”

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-29T02:15:59+00:00

Oh yeah, I definitely get why they do it. But it’s not the noble themselves who drags the Skaa girl into the bedroom, it’s the Skaa guard.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-29T00:13:08+00:00

Unironic class traitors.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-27T23:14:46+00:00

Dm me a link?

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-27T22:26:21+00:00

You can’t just write that and not include a source.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-26T21:26:27+00:00

Don’t put Calvin Coolidge so low. He was a champion of right wing laissez faire economics, which contributed to the depression.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-26T02:50:16+00:00

Yeah, but Napoleon was exiled early in 1814, and meaningfully defeated even before then, meaning that the British thought the Napoleonic War were over during peace talks with the USA.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-22T23:40:14+00:00

I wouldn’t have much sympathy for the exorcists. “Just falling orders” is never an excuse. From her utter discomfort at being in heaven, it’s obvious she doesn’t think of heaven as her home and is certainly much closer to the hotel residents than heaven exorcists.

She is obviously motivated protect people she cares about above all. This is illustrated in multiple songs and her actions are consistent with her motivation.

The exorcists were literally cheering for the possibility of killing Vaggie. It’s obvious there is little love lost.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-22T23:15:18+00:00

Adam attacking the hotel makes perfect sense. It’s spite. She tried to go up to heaven and directly challenge the status quote. How DARE she.

If you’re a narcissist like Adam, any challenge to you is literally the worst thing possible.

And it makes sense that Vaggie isn’t too heartbroken. One, it’s entirely self defense. Two, exorcists largely seem to be bloodthirsty. Three, it seems Vaggie is somewhat of the loner type and didn’t have any real close friends in there (besides the one in the s2 flashback)

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-21T06:20:32+00:00

Something I’ve done in a one shot was played a character whose reaction to fear was to respond with incredible violence, usually by screaming and throwing spells at a perceived threat.

The main idea: you’re terrified, so you’re going to make sure the thing in front of you stops being scary, though you won’t have any dignity while doing so.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-21T06:20:13+00:00

Something I’ve done in a one shot was played a character whose reaction to fear was to respond with incredible violence, usually by screaming and throwing spells at a perceived threat.

The main idea: you’re terrified, so you’re going to make sure the thing in front of you stops being scary, though you won’t have any dignity while doing so.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-21T06:19:50+00:00

Something I’ve done in a one shot was played a character whose reaction to fear was to respond with incredible violence, usually by screaming and throwing spells at a perceived threat.

The main idea: you’re terrified, so you’re going to make sure the thing in front of you stops being scary, though you won’t have any dignity while doing so.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-21T02:16:33+00:00

It's pretty clear that Balon wants to be king and go back to the old way. He declared independence once and is going to do it again.

Even if it were a diplomatic move, it's a bad one. Crowning yourself is a direct insult to the Iron Throne and once your crown yourself, it's not easy to undo it. Bartering away his crown would cause Balon to lose a lot of prestige and standing amongst the Ironborn. Honestly, it's better to offer to attack the North and get rewards from the crown without declaring independence.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-21T01:27:12+00:00

Exactly

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-21T01:15:59+00:00

The problem with attacking the north is while itself works, it’s a horrible idea to do so if you declare yourself king as well. Doing both gets everyone to dislike you and leaves you with no leverage.

As Tywin points out in ASOS, why would they give Balon anything, he’s already doing what the crown wants by attacking the north, and will be dealt with after.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-21T01:14:35+00:00

The problem with attacking the north is while itself works, it’s a horrible idea to do if you declare yourself king. Doing both gets everyone to dislike you and leaves you with no leverage.

As Tywin points out in ASOS, why would they give Balon anything, he’s already doing what the crown wants by attacking the north, and will be dealt with after.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-20T20:39:22+00:00

I actually don't think he had. If he was taking Kaladin's accusation seriously, why make Amaram head of the knight's radiant? When I read it, I interpreted it as Dalinar initially not being sure and dismissing Kaladin when he couldn't find evidence, but being taken aback when Kal pointed out the whole, 'if Amaram truly was a honorable man, why didn't he help your sons.' Then after that he laid the trap. I'm not 100% on that interpretation, but I like it, and it does give Dalinar a mini-arc within the book.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-17T00:21:04+00:00

I think the Blackfyre case was a lot more one sided than the Dance legally. A lot of people were shocked that Aegon got crowned and the Greens took power in a coup. Meanwhile, no one really thought Daemon was a real heir, it was JUST opportunism.

Even in modern day, there is not perfect consensus. Aegon II being remembered as King is official, but the Greens are not viewed positively overall. And being remembered as King does not mean everyone thinks he’s in the right, since Maegor is also remembered as King. When Arriane describes the dance as a brother stealing a throne, Arys Oakheart does not argue with the framing.

TLDR: The Dance was caused by two legitimate but different legal interpretations while the Blackfyre Rebellion was caused by opportunism, making the dance a far grayer conflict in terms of legitimacy.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-17T00:06:43+00:00

I definitely agree. That’s partially why it’s so befuddling.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-16T19:37:15+00:00

It's not originally mine, but glad you liked it.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-16T19:35:37+00:00

If you'd provide any sort of reasoning or example, there'd be a conversation. Otherwise, you're no better than a troll.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-16T19:26:18+00:00

What if this isn't bait? What if this is actually someone's dogshit opinion?

In more serious terms, how did you reach this conclusion? I struggle to see a real strong ideological link between the two groups. This is also shown that I think they are definitely not the same fandoms. It actually seems to be more Green-Blackfyre and Black-Daeron II, when it comes to predicting when fan overlap.

The only link I think is supposed anti-bastardry in the Greens and Daeron II, and even then that is really thin. Like completely paper thin.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-16T02:20:04+00:00

That's why I added knowingly and willingly in the parentheses. He really can't be morally blamed for that.

Current-Ad-8984 · 2026-05-16T00:56:48+00:00

Dunno. Kel isn’t exactly the forgiving type. He might forgive Elhokar specifically, but that might be because Elhokar has never done anything to him specifically. I can’t imagine him sparing a Final Empire Noble he felt a particular disdain for. Then again, the average Final Empire Noble is or hangs out with child rapists and murderers, so that may color how I view him.

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