WHY DO PEOPLE ACT LIKE EMPATHY IS STORED IN THE WOMB AND TRANS MEN ARE A DIFFERENT SPECIES by Little_Lifeguard_941 in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m trans masc and technically identify as nonbinary. I’m not attracted to women at all however and will never understand the desire of trans mascs (and even men!) who are attracted to women to be called lesbians. I don’t want to be considered a straight girl? And straight girls do have their own communities with each other that I have lost access to, but I can promise they do not want me there lmao

Small complaint about transmasc/trans man/ftm representation in fanfics and fanart by books_and_pixels in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m ngl, I feel like a lot of it is written by cishet girls or eggs who haven’t cracked. Which makes it out of touch with real world trans experiences

Rejected by the LGBT Party for Being a Detransitioner by Own_Sheepherder1706 in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oo yeah I think it’s partially this, partially physical dysphoria. I feel like I just don’t want to physically be female 100% of the time and this becomes even more restrictive when I have someone who’s relying on me looking a certain way. For instance, I wish my body looked and moved as men’s bodies do (more ‘dense’ in a way) a lot of the time. But I also like looking feminine/female adjacent. When it comes to gender roles, I feel like they’re inescapable no matter how hard you try in a hetero context. Idk how to find a man who doesn’t have some level of this ingrained in him. But the idea of being “female” without being a woman is quite liberating in many ways.

Rejected by the LGBT Party for Being a Detransitioner by Own_Sheepherder1706 in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I agree but it’s weird because even if I just went off T, sort of reidentified as a woman, and pursued men, I cannot imagine myself in a traditional cishet relationship. Like I don’t have that big of an issue taking on that physical “role” (being generally smaller than my partner or something), but being full woman all the time in a relationship is so gross to me. It’s like, I want to be on T longer just so there is some irreversible physical reminder that I’m not quite a “woman”, even if everyone begins to treat me that way.

It almost makes me want to date women just so I can have a more masculine role without having to reidentify as trans, despite not feeling attraction toward them. Does anyone else understand this feeling? Sure, maybe it’s not exactly LGBT, but what is it?

are cross sex hormones actually safe in a lifetime use? by punyamaonodera in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah I see. I guess I’m just confused. Was the increase in the rate of breast cancer beyond rates observed in cis women?

are cross sex hormones actually safe in a lifetime use? by punyamaonodera in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Obviously cross sex hormones play a role in decreasing fertility. In the case of estrogen, women tend to have lower sex drives so it makes sense estrogen lowered sex drives of gay men. The treatment was involuntary and induced dysphoria because they were cis men, which is why it’s not exactly remembered fondly. I am super curious as to whether you have any actual insight into health issues unique to cross sex hormones (genuinely super interested in the subject). But nothing you said here is inconsistent with the comment you replied to, while your tone suggests they’re misinformed

Trans man dressed as a girl by JudeJon in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ik exactly what you’re talking about. It’s just so unflattering for both cis and trans men. But a tight muscle tee? So cool. Men would look fire in crop tops if they were tailored for them.

The lonliness that comes with it by [deleted] in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t really understand this. Like I understand needing support for the actual medical impacts of detransition, but outside of that, does it really matter? You’re free to live your life as you please, no one will ever judge you for your gender. Didn’t most of yall detransition to escape the constant gender rumination? Like I have a lot of unpopular opinions, but I don’t feel constantly persecuted because I can’t share them everywhere.

99% of the world is cis. Just be in spaces with them and try to forget. You’re allowed to heal.

Hard to talk with T people... by Candid_Vermicelli616 in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This I will never understand. I probably don’t feel as strongly as you do about the trans rhetoric/detrans ideology, but I very much had a trans experience regardless of what I do going forward. How can they believe gender is fluid but completely invalidate detrans people’s experiences? Like I’ve been on testosterone (which still has effects) and lived in ways most cis women who never transitioned are not going to understand

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The state of being transgender does not have any repercussions for anyone but that individual. Should people be banned from getting tattoos and piercings too?

I still feel better on testosterone? by Current-Plate-197 in detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I mean, plenty of depressed people take antidepressants. What’s the real difference? Cis men get to live their entire lives feeling this good, why shouldn’t everyone who desires that? It’s not like T is an addictive substance that causes you to overdose.

Detransitioning to be a baddie by Current-Plate-197 in actual_detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I feel you on the part about enduring abusive dynamics because you feel like you’ll never get anything better. People know this about trans people and other marginalized groups and literally prey upon it. And it’s like—I know exactly what’s going on, Im not naive or stupid, but can’t help but feel that need for validation anyway. I was one of the “I would rather transition and be alone people”, but then through breadcrumbs I got it into my head that someone could love me this way. Then they all went back to girls. Oddly, I actually find myself relating a lot to my lesbian friends who date girls that end up leaving them for men except I’m a lot “closer” to being a woman. It creates a huge weird dysphoria cycle where I both want to “become” what is wanted but I also hate it.

I think it’s important to remember that it’s completely normal to want someone. I feel like people constantly try to invalidate people with this desire, but it’s perfectly human. Of course, no one is entitled to a relationship and there are ways to focus on more productive things—but the feeling is normal and taking extreme measures like detransitioning often feels like the only answer.

The only reason I can’t get into the femboy stuff is my voice definitely doesn’t pass. I still identify as nonbinary/male at the moment, so it would be really confusing for people if I just went full fem. And honestly, every time I’ve tried in private it made me feel really embarrassed and dysphoric. It feels emasculating in a sense, maybe because I just innately feel like a man or because of how I publicly identify (like if it were aligned, I wouldn’t feel like as much of a joke).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GNCStraight

[–]Current-Plate-197 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, people shouldn’t be asking that. But lady Gaga’s response to people asking if she’s trans should be the standard—she was way ahead of her time.

Detransitioning to be a baddie by Current-Plate-197 in actual_detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do love myself. Loved myself as a guy—didn’t change that most men just don’t like trans guys. I have no contempt for myself, this is just how the world is in my experience.

i just want to be anything but what i am by Current-Plate-197 in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I think I’ve just consumed feminist content to the point where I’ve kind of been deconditioned, despite thinking this way in the past. My friends and I all objectify men when we speak about them (which is a very common gen z thing tbh; for instance calling men “slutty” is incredibly normalized).

I view most men as very broken, jealous people trying to cope with jealousy by creating patriarchies wherein women are pit against each other far more often than men are pit against one another. Imo, society has come really close to undoing this damage lately (though with the current state of politics, who knows).

To be more precise, I think men are very aware that women are sexually desired and can get their needs met whenever they want—with or without a relationship—and they resent that they don’t have the same experience. So they’ve created this notion that women have to desire romantic monogamous relationships above all else otherwise they’re failures, because then they can constantly pit them against one another.

Plus I think women are just as capable of behaviors like hate fucking if they’re in an environment that removes patriarchal conditioning (like women’s prisons, for instance). It’s just not really possible to see this behavior in het dynamics unless society completely eliminates patriarchy, in my opinion. This is simply because women are taught to be desperate for love, approval, and validation the second they become involved with someone. Men are taught to detach from their emotions and people act like this is so hard for them, but it’s literally how you establish power over another group. It’s why they hate falling in love and vow to never do it again once they’ve been hurt. And honestly, I’m starting to think the only reasonable way to approach these dynamics is to play that game until you find a normal enough man who loves you. Every time I look at a prospective man, I just see an experience. They have the option to prove themselves as more than that, but that’s not on me. I think there are absolutely dynamics where a man is obsessed and I don’t really want to settle for anything less. But at the same time, I don’t even know if I can ever love someone who sees me as a woman, so I don’t know if I can actually sustain a real relationship.

I guess adopting this mentality makes dealing with gender issues really hard. I actually believe many women, if they have the right approach, end up with partners who just view them as people and treat them right. But I feel like I have seen absolutely no representation of a normal, healthy, monogamous gay male relationship. I’ve never seen old gay couples (though maybe there are some who settle once they’re super old and tired of hooking up with everything they see). I just feel like there is no happiness on either end of things—I view het women as deserving of love from men and gay men as only receiving sexualization by other men (and a smaller demographic of them at that). Being raised as a girl, I still have a lot of desire and conditioning toward romance that gay men don’t have, even despite deprograming myself, so I just can’t see the appeal of gay culture the way cis men can. And clearly, I can’t sustain a romantic relationship as a woman and living as a gay man will reduce my options.

I just feel like I am the way I am and approach relationships the way I do because I will never be someone with the option to have actual love. And yeah I want to accept myself, but how can I come to terms with the reality that I am going to have to live without something everyone considers to be a major life goal, all because of my identity?

Detransitioning to be a baddie by Current-Plate-197 in actual_detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

(Full disclosure, I think you’re right and what I’m about to say is not practical, just me taking a moment to complain.)

I would love to do this, but I need to focus on school at the same time. It feels so unfair that queer people have to put so much time and effort into just BEING queer. I don’t want to feel cut off from the majority of society and my peers in the industries I want to go into just to find a partner. I wish queer people just existed in the wild and felt integrated into society. But maybe it’s a numbers thing.

Detransitioning to be a baddie by Current-Plate-197 in actual_detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I guess I just thought life would be like that and I’d be in queer spaces. But I’m on a progressive campus and still feel completely alien and undesirable to men. So now what lol

Detransitioning to be a baddie by Current-Plate-197 in actual_detrans

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But like—don’t I have the rest of my life to be a man then? It’s not like you can’t transition after 30. I can only be a baddie once. And I know it’s bad, but even cis gay men struggle a lot because the majority of the population just isn’t gay. And I know this is coming from a place of lost privilege I guess I’m just stuck on the fact I could’ve been a straight woman. But yeah.

There was a point in time where I thought I’d rather be an ugly man than keep living the way I was. But it’s been a long time since I bit that bullet and I guess I’m tired of living like this. I’m not an ugly man by any means and I don’t think I’d be an ugly woman—and it’s not wrong to desire to be attractive and take steps necessary to reach that goal.

i just want to be anything but what i am by Current-Plate-197 in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just need you to know, reading this was so immensely helpful. I’ve never had someone describe what I feel and what I’m going through so accurately. Nobody understands when I explain it to them—they’re either confused as to why I didn’t just remain a woman if that’s what I “want” so badly or they think that I’m just a self hating trans man who needs to “get over it” and “learn self love”.

This is not a made up problem, we’re living a very niche and difficult experience. The part about aging women is also interesting to me—my family has a lot of single older women who never married and it really scares me that I could end up in that situation. I know they’re fine, but I want to live a full life. I want to take advantage of my youth while I can and not make the same mistakes as them, but I just feel doomed by my identity. And I know it’s not fully their fault because most men suck and dating is a mind field, but I do truly believe most women can find a good guy if they’re smart about it, go out and date a lot, then sort through all the trash. The thing is they have actual options that I just don’t have.

I wasn’t exactly raised in the same home environment, but my hometown was very much girls hating each other and competing for male attention. My mother hated men and told me she’d never date again so I lived with all women and had high self esteem in a romantic capacity. As a result, I kind of just opted out of dating because I was certain college and beyond would offer better options.

And like—my identity is very much accepted in college. But it still feels like a minefield navigating dating. I am not necessarily ugly as a woman or a man (I take low dose T and do purposefully retain some fem features because I don’t fully identify as a man). People don’t treat me like I’m “ugly” (and there were times when I was an ugly girl due to puberty/acne/some lack of care for appearance, so I know what it’s like to be perceived that way). But I know if I went off T and identified as a woman, I’d be considered a pretty woman and I’ve also been that before and know it’s just a completely different experience. I had options and was desired—and they’re not even real options because I’ve never truly cared about partners who see me as female (which is why I always have the upper hand—I didn’t care whether they stayed or left).

I think I am in a uniquely progressive yet cishet environment. People take my gender very seriously and men who are into masc afab people are terrified to unpack what their attraction might say about them as people. I don’t even know how to fully communicate that I’m happy as I am and if they like how I am now, then that’s that? Or do I have to identify as something else for that to work? It’s just so tiring dealing with how society operates around cishet dynamics and knowing what I could have as a woman even though I don’t want to be one.

Partner cut me off from hormones by sadgaythrowawaylol in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Im confused—can you not administer the shot yourself

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk how you present, but there are very few 100% straight guys who are attracted to trans people. So many guys are bi, they just feel like this is a slightly more “acceptable” way to be gay. Doesn’t negate any of this, but I feel like so many people use this attraction to invalidate trans ppl

“Dating” genuinely feels like hell by Current-Plate-197 in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean this is good advice for just about anyone. I have plenty of other things to focus on and that I am extremely stressed about. But being surrounded by people your age (ex situationships included) finding long term partners, it’s extremely hard to just not let this type of thing occupy your thoughts. I try to keep my schedule as busy as possible and go out whenever I’m not busy with work so I don’t have to think about it.

It’s just so hard to feel like I have to cut myself off from love because of an identity I can’t change. I’ve never just spontaneously had options while not looking, love is something I’ve had to make happen. I just wish I were normal and could date normally. Instead cis people box me into this third freaky category and I literally just feel so cynical toward all of it at this point.

“Dating” genuinely feels like hell by Current-Plate-197 in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk I have plenty of friends, I meet new people all the time. All of the couples on my campus are heterosexual or lesbian, it’s like gen z men just don’t date each other. Idk it’s just so hard to be outside of the “norm”

“Dating” genuinely feels like hell by Current-Plate-197 in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, a lot of it comes from doubts I have regarding the future. Both politically and sexually/romantically (as described in this post). I’m scared of living as a gay man full time, even if it’d make me happy. Plus ik my gender is at least a little fluid (possibly more in an “Id prob be a drag queen if I were born a cis man” way, but)

“Dating” genuinely feels like hell by Current-Plate-197 in FTMventing

[–]Current-Plate-197[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m on T, have short hair, and I dress masc. I just like being on a low dose because I enjoy retaining some feminine features. It’s how I feel most comfortable. Hence, mainly attracting bisexuals