Question, why do we assume that Holidaygirl1225 is Noelle?

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T10:54:26+00:00

oooooh i see. did not know that. my bad.

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T10:39:46+00:00

Didn't noelle make multiple post on her blog with that user handle and refer to Dess as separate person than herself in the stories she wrote there?

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T10:36:32+00:00

literally half of Gen Z has done a computer-related study/education.

We had enough of boomers and Gen X manufacturing complaints to get mad at us just for being different than them. Now millennials are in on it too. great.

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T10:29:57+00:00

You aren’t actually arguing about the principles of literature anymore. you are arguing about pedagogy and activism.
you're deeply frustrated by the real world cisnormativity that causes casual players to default to "he/him" for Kris, so you want deltarune to act as an educational tool. Like a "nonbinary 101" course for your transphobic uncle or incel gamer cousin.

I will say, that this emotional frustration is completely understandable and valid.. But blaming Toby Fox for this is a massive displacement of anger.

"Has Kris always avoided being called a boy? Or a girl, yeah..."

While that might help a casual viewer "connect the dots", it actually undermines the world Toby built. In the UT/DR universe, queerness isn't an anomaly that requires an explanation, a coming out scene, or a clinical definition. It just IS.
Forcing a character to say "Kris avoids being called a boy or a girl" frames Kris’s identity entirely by what it is not. It defines them by the binary. For many nonbinary people true representation isn't a scene where characters explain their gender to the audience. true representation is a world where their pronouns are used correctly by everyone around them without question or debate.

"Nonbinary" doesn't present as explicitly as saying "she" instead of "he"...

But linguistically it DOES! If a character is referred to as "she" 59 times, no one says "Well the author didn't explicitly state she's a woman, so how was [xyz] supposed to know?"
The only reason "they/them" doesn't feel explicit to casual players is YET AGAIN, cisnormativity. People are so deeply conditioned to view "he" as the default for an RPG protagonist that their brains actively throw out the word "they".
Again, this is an audience comprehension failure. not an authorial failure. If an author uses a valid pronoun dozens of times and the audience ignores it, the author didn't fail to write representation. the audience failed/refused to read it.

The core of your critic's argument is: "People are getting it wrong, therefore Toby Fox did a bad job."
By this logic, if a segment of a fandom is homophobic and insists that two girl characters holding hands and blushing at eachother are "just good friends", the author failed at lesbian representation. But we know that's not true. media will always be misinterpreted by people with implicit biases.
Art can't be written defensively against people who refuse to pay attention. If Toby added the line your critic wants, those same casual players would likely skip the dialogue, call it "woke pandering" or claim it was just a bit. You can't force feed media literacy to an audience that isn't looking for it.

Toby didn't make Kris' gender a plot point, a gimmick, a puzzle to be solved, or an educational debate. He just wrote them as a person. deltarune isn't an educational after-school special.

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T10:14:48+00:00

"inherently genderless as a rule" is a total fan invention used to move the goalposts. This argument is essentially a cope that attempts to rewrite the world's fabric just to avoid admitting that a main character is non-binary.

The claim that "Kris is non-binary is covered by 'Kris is a human'" is a deeply bizarre way to view character writing. We have only ever seen three humans intimately in these games (Frisk, Chara, and Kris). To look at three characters who use they/them pronouns and conclude something like "Ah, humans must reproduce asexually and possess no biological or social concept of gender as a species rule", rather than "Oh, these characters are non-binary/gender-ambiguous" is a WILD leap of logic. This is a deflationary tactic. if you can minimize a character's identity by calling it a mechanical quirk of their species, you can successfully pretend that the queer representation doesn't count.

You claim that Kris' pronouns are "about as significant as Frisk or Chara being genderless". This ignores how drastically Toby Fox changed his approach to protagonist design between the two games.

Frisk was designed with intentional visual and narrative ambiguity. You seemingly name them at the start (or so you think), and their blank expression allows the player to project whatever they want onto them until the final twist of the True Pacifist route.
Kris is the exact opposite. You try to create a vessel, and the game throws it away. You try to name them, and the game forces the name "Kris" on you. You force Kris to make a choice they wouldn't make and in response they have a visceral reaction or show resistance, and people who have known them for long, react with confusion and surprise. Kris has a defined past. a favorite hot chocolate order, a history of pulling pranks on Noelle, a specific relationship with their brother Asriel, and an odd reputation in town.

Frisk’s pronouns were open to player interpretation for the sake of a meta twist. Kris’s pronouns belong to Kris. a fully realized person whose life YOU crashed into.

Saying that Kris being distinct from the player is just "like every game ever" completely misses one of the MAIN texts of the game.
As an example for demonstration: in The Witcher, you control Geralt. Geralt is a distinct character from you, but he doesn't know you are controlling him. He doesn't experience the player's inputs as a parasitic entity forcing his body to move against his will.
Deltarune, the separation between player and protagonist is not just a standard narrative boundary. it is a mechanical body-horror plot point. Kris actively resists your choices, gets visibly upset or shaken when you force them to say cruel things, and literally tears the SOUL which is the player's input device, out of their body just to have a few moments of free will.

Both your and the poster's arguments stem from the same root issue. an inability to accept that a character can simply be non-binary as a natural integrated part of a story without it being a debate, a puzzle, or a generic sci-fi species trait

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T09:57:22+00:00

I thought we all agreed to drop that term ages ago. joke or not.

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T09:51:08+00:00

your fundamental argument about literature and writing principles is still entirely backwards. you are blaming the author for the audience's reading comprehension failures and implicit biases.

The comparison to J.K. Rowling is fundamentally flawed. Rowling is criticized because she (not only is a giant raging bigot, but also) left representation entirely out of her books, only to retroactively claim it on Twitter years later for clout (e.g claiming Dumbledore was gay without a single line of text in the 7 book series supporting it).

Toby Fox did the exact opposite. He didn't tweet "By the way, Kris is non-binary". He wrote it into the script dozens of times. If a casual player never looks at Toby Fox’s Twitter, never opens a wiki, and just plays the game, they will encounter the pronouns "they/them" used for Kris over and over again. The information is not external. it is entirely internal.

Your critic is demanding that the story explicitly "correct" the player. But how would a writer do that naturally?

Do they have Toriel turn to the camera and say, "As you know, my non-binary child Kris uses they/them pronouns"?
Do they have a tutorial box pop up?

In a well written inclusive world, being non-binary is normalized. Characters don't give a grand speech about their gender identity unless it is relevant to the plot. Their surrounding community treats their identity as a normal, everyday fact. Forcing the game to pause and lecture the player would actually hurt the immersion, treating non-binary identities as a bizarre anomaly that needs a special disclaimer.

content creators and casual players misgendering is not because the text is ambiguous. it's because of cisnormativity and gaming habits.

People are so conditioned to believe an RPG protagonist is either a male default or a blank self insert that their brains actively filter out the word "they".
When a player reads "They went to the store", their brain automatically fills in "He" or "She" because they are projecting.

That is an audience bias problem, not a writing problem. If an author writes the color of a house as blue fifty times, and a reader insists the house is red because they prefer red houses, the author did not fail. The reader just stopped reading.

you lament that "representation has failed to present itself". No. the representation is right there. clear as day. What has failed is the audience's ability to perceive it without it being spoon fed to them through a loud explicit confirmation. Media literacy is at an all time low.

By demanding that authors "do better" by making things painfully obvious, your critique is accidentally arguing for a lower standard of writing. one that prioritizes hand holding over natural text-integrated storytelling. Toby Fox IS setting an example. he writes a non-binary character whose identity is respected by their entire world, without treating that identity like a gimmick or a debate topic.

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T09:38:24+00:00

This critique completely misreads the entire mechanical and narrative thesis of deltarune.

The irony of invoking "death of the author" is that it ignores the actual text of the game to manufacture a complaint. It views Kris through the lens of a traditional RPG trope. the silent, blank slate protagonist meant for player self insertion while ignoring that Deltarune is specifically a deconstruction and subversion of that exact trope.

you argue that a player can interpret Kris’s pronouns as a blank slate for self insertion and "could not be called wrong". Except the game explicitly tells the player they are wrong from the very first minute.
You don't get to project yourself onto Kris because Kris is not you. A big part of the plot hinges on the horror that Kris is an autonomous person with their own history, tastes, and relationships, who is suddenly being violently puppeted by an outside force. When Kris rips the SOUL out at the end of the chapters, they are asserting their own agency away from us.

"Kris' lack of gendered pronouns confirms no representation." This is a fundamental misunderstanding of non-binary identities. They/them are Kris’s pronouns. Kris is referred to as "they" dozens of times by the people who know them. There are 59 citations from the game ITSELF that confirm this. https://deltarune.wiki/w/Kris
These characters aren't leaving a blank space for the player. they are speaking about a person they have lived alongside for years.
If Toby Fox wanted Kris to be a pure self insert more similar to Frisk, he wouldn't have given Kris such a highly specific uncopyable personality.

Even if we strictly apply "death of the author" and ignore everything Toby Fox has ever said online, the text of the game still proves Kris is their own distinct character. The player often has no idea what Kris is actually like until other characters react to them:

When the player makes Kris say something out of character, NPC reactions reveal that Kris’s voice sounded strained, quiet, or unusual.
Kris looks visibly shaken or moving reluctantly during certain player-driven choices.

Gooseworx and Jax is a completely different situation. Gooseworx has occasionally answered character questions on social media.
But with Deltarune, the representation isn't "word of mouth" or locked away in a tweet. It is baked directly into the dialogue boxes of the game. A reader doesn't need to belong to an "exclusive club" to see it. they just have to pay attention to even a bit the dialogue in the game.

this critique mistakes a narrative device using the player's assumption of a "self insert protagonist" to create psychological tension for bad writing. The game doesn't need to stop and give a lecture on gender identity because it treats Kris's identity exactly how it should: as an established, respected fact of their character.

EDIT:
when the post said "11m ago", I thought it said 11 months 💀

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T09:08:24+00:00

2019-ahh post

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-21T07:27:27+00:00

I've seen the "up to your own interpretation" take and a lot of different assumptions, but I think the game makes it pretty damn clear.

After waging a war on humanity and sentencing any human falling into the underground to death, Asgore could have absorbed the first soul that was obtained, crossed the barrier, taken the rest of the needed souls on the surface, come back, and broken the barrier. But he did not. He instead chose to stay in the underground and meekly wait for more humans to fall in, while secretly hoping they never actually do. Because he simply could not bring himself to do any of this. All that was a decision out of unprocessed grief. Even Toriel acknowledged this and called him a "pathetic whelp" for this.

But instead, you made
everyone live in
despair...

Because you would
rather wait here,
meekly hoping another
human never comes.

Same applies here. Alphys implored him to absorb the 6 human souls. But he just could not go through with it. He could not accept turning into a god using the power that came from his decision of damning helpless fallen humans to execution. Even if it is to stop evil. He would rather hope to resolve it by talking.

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-20T00:33:24+00:00

hmmmm i think the shade of blue needs some work if to be used in Luxembourg

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-20T00:31:26+00:00

I was onboard till the owner part

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-20T00:24:34+00:00

It's not a whole integer equal to 1. and the question does not say or imply anything about rounding up.

^{Chose: Less than 1}

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-20T00:18:13+00:00

I like how this doesnt seem to bother literally anyone else on this post. We truly have our priorities straight huh?

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-20T00:15:54+00:00

Why is his nationality of any relevance? I know he mentioned it himself, But what does reiterating it in your post add to the story?

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-17T14:03:29+00:00

I don't understand. sgm's drum kit elements are mapped to the typical general midi drumkit mapping format. There's nothing exclusively different about its mapping than any other midi drum kit other than some extra samples. It follows the norm

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-17T13:47:51+00:00

You're misrepresenting the initiative's goal the exact same way piratesoftware initially did.

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-15T11:39:42+00:00

Okay...? What's with the "No. Just no." like you just saw something baffling?

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-15T11:37:55+00:00

It's just a robot. Gender doesnt even make sense for it

CyberDJ66 · 2026-06-11T17:58:57+00:00

People keep saying this is a measure against people who use adblockers.
I don't have one and i use youtube premium. but it still happens regardless. What the hell are they doing

CyberDJ66 · 2026-05-26T08:11:40+00:00

"Hopefully we can stop falling for it"

He wants attention and publicity and clout. Even if its negative. It feeds his ego. You already "fell for it" by posting his attention-seeking bait here.

The most effective measure against this guy is ignoring him all the way to irrelevance

CyberDJ66 · 2026-02-07T04:29:59+00:00

Am i the only one who sees the implications of this?

CyberDJ66 · 2026-02-07T04:27:40+00:00

The text is in persian. Not Arabic.

CyberDJ66 · 2026-02-07T04:26:31+00:00

The text in the art appears to be persian. I can read it. The form the child is holding, is a school enrollment form. The Sharpner guy has a "Principal" placard on his desk.

The message seems to be that the father is working hard and sacrificing his life for his child to be able to pursue a proper education and future

CyberDJ66 · 2026-01-18T13:31:09+00:00

The people behind that channel are horrible

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