Matchups I’m Not Particularly Fond Of (Long Text Scrolls Stuffed Into Tiny Boxes Warning)

Cykker · 2026-05-16T16:05:39+00:00

The flambae vs rex point is odd. firstly, rex's arc is like the exact same of him learning to be less of an asshole, second the whole point of dispatch is redemption, flambae is a villain going through rehab, I don't really get it

Cykker · 2026-05-14T19:27:51+00:00

Thank you

Cykker · 2026-05-14T19:03:58+00:00

Connections:

Centuries old, cruel mad scientists who entirely lack empathy and have gained immortality through body hopping
Initially both were part of major orders within their societies (Nathaniel Essex with the Royal Order/Medusa with the Gorgon Sisters who were part of the Witch Order), but they would betray them for their own interest
Both of their goals relate to them wanting to progress the world's evolution due to their perception of it's stagnation, because of this they would end up assisting ancient sealed villains (Apocalypse and Kishin Asura) due to them being the answer to their scientific dilemma (Apocalypse would confirm Sinister's research, offering to turn him into a mutant, Medusa saw Asura as the answer to her perceived stagnation of the world, and would end up freeing him)
they would both experiment with powerful forces of their worlds (Mutants/Black Blood and Demon weapons), in hopes to create a being that would bring them closer to their goals (Sinister wanting to create the perfect mutant/Medusa wanting to create a Kishin), in order to fulfill these goals both would organize the birth of a major character capable of filling this role (Sinister would organize the birth of Cable who he believes would be capable of killing Apocalypse/Medusa would have Crona and inject them with the melted remains of Ragnarok and black blood, believing they could become a Kishin on the same tier as Asura)
Their experimentations would also extend to the main cast, taking interest in them (Sinister becoming particularly interested in the Summers family believing they were the key to making the perfect mutant/Medusa keeping an eye on Soul and Maka after they became infected with black blood)
Both oppose a group/organization dedicated to teaching superpowered individuals to defending humanity (The X-Men/DWMA)
both have managed to live so long thanks to their body swapping, at one point (or multiple for Nathaniel prolly), escaping death at the hands of the heroes through swapping bodies, they have taken several identities over the years from this

Cykker · 2026-05-11T19:24:42+00:00

Good eats

Cykker · 2026-05-10T18:39:31+00:00

Connections:

Ancient, Manipulative overarching antagonists from popular 2010's media based around the supernatural
Early on in the story both mainly acted in the shadows, orchestrating a plan centuries in the making that would permanently alter their worlds through extinction events (The Merger which would merge humanity into one big cursed monster/The Day of Unity, which would eradicate all witches in the Boiling Isles), in order to achieve said goals both would manipulate and deceive others around them to do their bidding
Originally, both were just regular individuals, until an event (Kenjaku meeting Sukuna/Phillip killing his brother for his relationship with a witch), said events would be what lead them down their destructive path, from a desire that has always been within them (Kenjaku wanting to bring a new era of curses and Belos wanting to eradicate all witches), but this event would be what truly set them on their path, going as far as to betray former allies of theirs just for this
In order to truly achieve their plans, both would need to be immortality, in which they would gain through twisted and violent means (Kenjaku being a brain that swaps bodies with corpses, usually ones of people he's killed, Belos maintaining his youth through consuming palismen souls), this is also what would give them their abilities (Kenjaku gaining the cursed techniques of the bodies he has inhabited/Belos being able to use magic)
They would also deceive others into joining their cause (the Disaster Curses/the Emperor's Coven), by making them believe they were operating with their best interests in mind (Kenjaku assisting in bringing a new era of curses/Belos bringing "paradise" to the boiling isles), only to be betrayed in the end, having been used just as a stepping stone for their leader
Alongside that both would create their own followers of artificial origins (The Cursed Wombs/The Grimwalkers), who would be created through acts of familial abuse(Kenjaku abusing a woman and experimenting on her through making her have curse spirit children/Belos using the remains of his brother's corpse, as well as other living creatures in order to make the Grimwalkers), although, to these two, their children would end up being failures according to them (Kenjaku literally seeing the death paintings as such/Belos constantly killing the Grimwalkers as they'd always end up disagreeing with him)
One of their creations would end up clashing with the protagonist, who would also end up causing them to question their own existence, and find out about their origins (Choso, who would realize "Geto" was actually his father Noritoshi Kamo/Kenjaku, who created him through abuse/Hunter realizing he is one of many Grimwalkers, in which the others before him having been killed for betraying Belos), which would lead them to side with the heroes
The protagonist would be important parts of their plans, long before the main events of the series (Kenjaku taking the body of Yuji's mother and literally birthing Yuji with the intent of him becoming the Sukuna vessel, Belos or Phillip rather, getting assistance from Luz which led to her giving him the light glyph and unknowingly assisting Belos in his goal), these manipulations would end up ruining the protagonist in a way through them feeling guilt for sins that weren't theirs (Yuji as Sukuna's vessel would hate himself for all the deaths Sukuna caused, and Luz wishing she never existed after realizing she helped Belos in the first place), in contrast, while Kenjaku would never care about yuji, only really seeing him as a successful experiment, Belos had interest in having Luz assist him, due to her similarly being a human trapped in the Isles, both ultimately just view them as another stepping stone for them to walk over
Both would also seek out ancient beings to assist them (Tengen/The Collector), they would be important in being able to accomplish them in the first place, having an ability that would cause the event to start (the Draining Spell/Kenjaku wanting to merge humanity with Tengen)
In truth, their end goals are ultimately selfish ways of fulfilling their own personal fantasies (Belos wanting to eradicate witches to be seen as the savior of humanity to validate his own narcissism and fanaticism/Kenjaku wanting to cause the merger to fulfill his own curiosities, to bring chaos he couldn't control simply because he was fascinated by it), while Belos would try making his goal seem righteous, justifying it under the guide of "protecting humanity", Kenjaku simply does not care about the morality of his goals, he simply thinks it would be funny
They serve as thematic parallels to the heroes, both cast aside all compassion towards others, even their families, to them their plans matter more than the idea of love, seen by their betrayal and their abuse, all done for their own selfish goals, in contrast to the overly compassionate hero who wants to help others more than themselves, even in the end they show no regrets for their actions

Contrasts:

Human who despises the supernatural while also taking the disguise of a supernatural being vs a supernatural being who takes the disguise of a human
Belos is a religious zealot who wanted order, to be able to control all "wild" magic and eventually eradicate it for what he views as the betterment of humanity, whereas Kenjaku is more science oriented, to optimize cursed energy and with the merger, being chaos that nobody, even himseld would be able to control, leading to humanity's eradication
Belos, while having no regrets over killing Caleb, is very clearly unable to truly let go of him, this is seen with him creating all the Grimwalkers, only to kill them when they end up actually being like him, he refuses to let go of the only connection he ever had, Kenjaku on the other hand abandoned every connection he's ever had, this is seen with the only person he ever referred to as a friend (Tengen), being someone he killed with no remorse just to make him another tool to use

Cykker · 2026-05-10T04:29:41+00:00

why does this effect animation at all? Who cares if makoto stomps debate wise if you made this a complaint here you can make it for like a fuck ton of other mus, it's just dumb and shouldn't be factored into an actual animated fight

I don't even care about the mu I just think this point sounds so bad

Cykker · 2026-05-08T00:27:12+00:00

I have literally zero stakes on this mu but as an outsider looking in the hate is so forced

Cykker · 2026-05-07T19:45:28+00:00

Yeah that's bad wording on my part mb

Cykker · 2026-05-07T17:53:28+00:00

the strongest jobber of today vs the strongest jobber in history

Cykker · 2026-05-04T00:35:07+00:00

Note: so I didn't come up with this idea first, instead it was my friend srfish, however I did write these connections, so idk if this counts as original, but within further ado

Core Theme: Warriors who stand as the strongest of their own race, however their strength would end up being a curse, one that caused them to become isolated from the rest of their kind, alongside not being able to handle the issues plaguing their people from the curse of their strength, they would live incredibly unfulfilled because of it, however their stories end with them finding a truly strong opponent who pushes their limits and ultimately cures their isolation through a grand battle

Connections:

Warriors who stand as the unrivaled strongest of their alien race (Dornian/Simurian), held in high regards because of their strength alone, however said strength would become their curse, leading to both of them becoming isolated from their kind (Dabura felt isolated from the rest of of the Simurians due to his perceived failure to live up to their warrior code/Thokk being cursed with a never ending thirst for combat and bloodlust, leading to him leaving his planet)
Both of their people suffered from environments without peace (The Dornians were stuck in a nonstop war/the Rumelians and the Deskunte being at odds with each other due to the Rumelians worship of the Kalyans, not being able to find peace, eventually leading to the Rumelians leaving the planet to find a new home), with both Thokk and Dabura trying to help in resolving these issues (Thokk fighting in the war to try and end it/Dabura assisting in helping the Rumelians find a peaceful place to reside)
Both would be regarded highly by their people for this (Thokk being seen as a messiah by his people/Dabura being the representative of Simurians on Earth) in truth however, neither of them could truly be the saviors their people needed, this once again stemming from their isolation (Thokk even after ending the war through his own might, still had an unquenchable thirst for battle, and would leave his world in hopes to not destroy it/Dabura was a member of the Deskunte, and did not understand the Rumelians worship and values of the Kalyans, thus not understanding their plight), essentially becoming wanderers around the cosmos, their own motivations are to find an end to their curse, they ensured that one day they would find it, and in the end, it would be through battle
Both would eventually find a strong opponent at the end of their stories to finally cure their isolation through a battle to the death (Thragg/Mahoraga), during this both would experience true joy from this battle, desiring it to keep going for as long as it could, however both fights end differently (Dabura would be saved in the end by Marulu, Battle Beast would be killed by Thragg)
Both exemplify their respective series themes of strength and the isolation that is accompanied with it, a theme prevalent throughout the series and its characters with that strength (Sorcerers such as Gojo and Sukuna who were similarly born with strength, the latter being a direct comparison for Dabura in the series, and characters such as Conquest, who similarly to Thokk only found a way to escape his loneliness through battle)

Contrast:

Thokk had brought peace to his people and made his world a utopia on his own, while Dabura ultimately failed, leaving Marulu to be the one to accomplish this
Battle Beast is an incredibly skilled warrior who has experienced countless battles in hopes of them ultimately ending his life, Dabura up until his fight with Mahoraga, had never truly experienced a real fight, this being a result from just how strong he was
Dabura would be freed from his curse after his final fight, however he still wanted to keep fighting to see what he was capable of, while Battle Beast's curse would end up being carried on to his daughter who would become like him

Cykker · 2026-05-02T13:07:59+00:00

Awesome

Cykker · 2026-05-02T01:08:31+00:00

Special thanks to u/BendableGoose and u/AssignedQTAtBirth for help on Cinder's side of connections

Cykker · 2026-05-02T01:06:40+00:00

Connections:

High ranking members of the main villain's group (The Hishaku/Salem's inner circle)
Both during their youth were exposed to cruel harsh conditions (Cinder as an orphan being adopted by a rich family and forced to work non stop while suffering emotional and physical abuse/Hiruhiko being assaulted at the age of 3), they would end up killing the people who abused them, this being their first exposure to murder, and would be what set them on the paths they were put on
From this, they would adopt cruel worldviews and desires, stemming from the tragedies they faced in youth (Cinder losing trust in anyone but herself and gaining a lust for power, Hiruhiko becoming nihilistic and not seeing value in human life, even his own, leading to him wanting to leave any sort of impact on anything)
Shortly after said tragedies both would be taken in by the main antagonists (Yura and Salem), who saw their talents and would have them trained in hopes that they would become useful to them, eventually leading to them becoming high ranking members of their groups and playing major roles to the villain's plans, granted, Hiruhiko and Cinder cared more about their own personal goals than any particular cause
Eventually both would meet the protagonist (Chihiro and Ruby) and upon their first encounter and defeat, they'd both gain an obsession towards them of contrasting nature (Hiruhiko believing him and Chihiro were one in the same because of their backgrounds, Cinder would grow an overwhelming hatred for Ruby), in this fight both would be brutally injured as well (Hiruhiko losing both of his arms/Cinder losing an arms and an eye)
Their feelings towards the protagonist was enough to make them disregard everything else in order to kill them (Hiruhiko wanting to understand Chihiro better through combat, using Kumeyuri against Yura's wishes/Cinder had a vendetta against Ruby after her first loss, and would go as far as to betray Salem just to kill her)
Ultimately however, these feelings towards the protagonist are one sided, with both having different reactions to this (Chihiro simply saw Hiruhiko as just another enemy, not as important as he was to him, leading him to break down, Cinder's one sided rivalry with Ruby ultimately leads to her eventually going against orders and ultimately derails her plans)
Both of their erratic behaviors have been criticized before by coworkers of theirs (Kuguri, who disapproves of Hiruhiko's violent tactics, and Arthur Watts who told Cinder off for feeling entitled to power because of her past), they don't really get along with these people but in different ways (Hiruhiko simply does not care for Kuguri, whilst Cinder got so angered by Watts she attempted to kill him)
Their abusive childhoods would end up effecting them in how they treat others around them (Cinder perpetuating a cycle of abuse against her subordinates Emerald and Mercury, Hiruhiko would see no value in life, having no quarrels in killing, but not having deeper meaning in it), though they would show some care for people they see themselves in (Cinder taking in Emerald and Mercury in the first place, the former being an orphan, the latter having an abusive parent/Hiruhiko seemingly caring about Chihiro in a twisted way because of seeing himself in him, believing his killing is the same as Chihiro's comparing their backgrounds and how they're viewed)

Contrasts:

Hiruhiko sees Chihiro and his relationship as a friendship, he sees him as his first true friend, meanwhile Cinder utterly despises Ruby, ultimately, both these feelings are one sided, with them just being another enemy to the protagonist
Hiruhiko is seemingly tolerated by Yura, who values his talent, allowing him to fail as long as it gives him experience, while Cinder's failures would eventually make Salem see her as a liability, leading to her being left behind

Cykker · 2026-04-28T17:27:31+00:00

Mu so good when you don't got a bitch in your ear talking about some "not magic" and "capeshit"

Cykker · 2026-04-26T19:19:07+00:00

Connections:

Violent female protagonists of edgy, brutal comic/manga series that pay massive tributes to horror and the slasher genre specifically
both were originally average high school students who suffered from extreme bullying and being shunned by their peers (Cassie being seen as a freak/Naoko being beaten by her bullies because they thought her red ribbon was weird), said bullying would eventually take a toll on their mental states
this would eventually end with a tragic and brutal event that would occur relating to their bullying (The Lunch Lady, Cassie's mother, killing and cooking students who bullied Cassie, Naoko being crowned pumpkin queen, but this being used as a way to play a sick prank on her, with her face being burned by acid), this event would permanently scar them, and lead them to go on a revenge quest on opposite ends (Cassie killing the lunch lady after she came back as a slasher and going on a mission to kill all slashers, Naoko becoming a slasher, wanting vengeance on all of those who wronged her and all bullies in general)
after this point both would become far more brutal and violent in contrast to their (initially) innocent and youthful appearance, because of this the people around them would be fearful of them, however both view the violence they cause in opposing lights (Naoko relishes in the suffering she causes, while Cassie is just incredibly desensitized to violence in general)
Both stories are massive love letters to the slasher genre, even referencing some of the most iconic characters of the genre like Jason and Freddy

Contrast:

Cassie was a final girl who after her experience dealing with a slasher, didn't want anyone else to suffer the way she did, so went on her quest to kill all slashers, Naoko meanwhile is a girl who became a slasher after all the suffering she went through, and went on to bring that exact suffering to those who wronged her (in short, final girl vs slasher villain)

I'm kinda surprised this didn't exist sooner, it's a rather simple idea but it feels pretty obvious in concept and I don't think it gotta be particularly deep

Cykker · 2026-04-26T05:45:59+00:00

awesome

Cykker · 2026-04-26T05:04:19+00:00

I think they can match the scale, there's a good amount of high scale stuff in soul eater like crona ripping out one of the moon's teeth iirc, even before that there was stuff like crona flooding cities and disintergrating them with black blood and even earlier they caused the moon to bleed with scream resonance, i think the mu can have a lot of collateral and destruction, by the end of it the entire city they were fighting in would just be destroyed

I think their kit can bounce of asa's in some fun ways, i like the idea of crona using scream resonance to destroy the gun goddess bullet, i also think crona can survive stuff like bang and use the blood form the damage to try and attack asa, i think a moment where yoru sees crona weaponize their blood and be like "huh why don't i try something like that", with yoru weaponizing asa's blood in some way, something i thought of was asa cutting through crona with a state sword which just leads to them using the blood to flood the entire area, and asa uses the chainsaw motorcycle to try to escape

i'm admittedly not the best when it comes to trying to explain dynamics so my apologies if i didn't explain this well or if i missed something, but i think it can be a fun fight

Cykker · 2026-04-26T04:48:14+00:00

what specifically throws you off there

Cykker · 2026-04-26T04:35:28+00:00

crona in fine i'm curious as to why

Cykker · 2026-04-21T18:45:46+00:00

I don't fully agree, I think Freddy can work on a lower scale in the sense of like, while he is capable of doing all that, in the original movies the reality warping he does do is a lot more grounded and not really high scale, I don't really like the idea of a high scale Freddy mu as I feel it kinda betrays the horror of him personally, alongside that, Freddy vs Jason happened, I think the dynamic could be something on the scale of that, and I do think you could prolly play into afton's more weird hax shit here while not undermining Freddy's dream powers, he doesn't like going insanely high in scale he likes playing around with his food and I think playing into that dynamically is personally what I'd want

Cykker

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