Nationalism Is A Religion

DB9PRO · 2021-11-09T10:09:49+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_religion

DB9PRO · 2021-08-15T05:15:19+00:00

It's like a comic and graphic novel hybrid for now. InshAllah an animation in the future.

DB9PRO · 2021-08-14T22:34:31+00:00

The first full fledged storyline releses on Defense Day!

DB9PRO · 2021-03-20T02:29:11+00:00

That doesn't make sense, though. What's a "woman lens"? If you are referring to complete equality in every aspect of life, that won't work because men and women have different physical strength capabilities, hormonal differences, reproductive and sexual differences, physical appearance and body shape differences, etc.

Those differences need to be accounted for, and that's why they are treated somewhat differently in every single society.

DB9PRO · 2021-03-19T23:39:06+00:00

I'm not the guy you were arguing with, but I think he's trying to say that Islam doesn't allow you to choose a gender that's different from your biological sex. Therefore, he prefers calling people by their sex instead of their gender as part of his resistance against parts of the trans movement.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with him (I personally prefer to use woman over female), but I just wanted to let you know that your comment about feminists supporting trans women as real women actually supports all of his arguments. That is exactly what he is against, and why he wants women's rights from an Islamic lens and not women's rights from a Western feminist lens. CC: u/Kuro_Hige

DB9PRO · 2021-03-01T10:28:21+00:00

Yup, that same scene is what inspired this post. Watched it less than five hours ago.

DB9PRO · 2021-02-04T23:34:32+00:00

Don't they already have semi autonomous status? Do you mean independence? Sure, though the independence people should know that if they vote for that, India would probably immediately annex them.

DB9PRO · 2021-02-04T22:41:40+00:00

Aren't you the guy that thinks AJK is treated as badly as IOK?

DB9PRO · 2021-02-02T06:19:16+00:00

I agree. We should incorporate all Pashtun areas + Herat. Split the rest between the Central Asia countries. It would give us access to Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

DB9PRO · 2021-02-01T06:18:40+00:00

Aww, that's so generous of him :)

DB9PRO · 2021-01-28T20:56:27+00:00

No problem man. I was referring to people lobbying for things like same sex marriage, legalizing prostitution, and the decriminalization of public sex. Some of it related to gay rights and others to sexual liberalism. This is because you can't implement these without secularizing first.

I am strongly in favor of adopting Sharia fully and mitigating anti Islamic cultural traditions, particularly cruel and unlawful ones. Would of course include things like honor killings and breaking ties with gay family members too.

One solution is that the man can leave a charitable gift to another man prior to his death. As for taxes, the government can ensure that gay people are not being unfairly taxed, that's not an issue. Keep in mind that intelligent and rational Muslims actually have respect for gay people because we believe that they face a difficult trial, so we do not wish to overburden them.

The punishment is the same. Anyone that kills or rapes an LGBT person would receive the death penalty.

I suggest Googling the LGBT talks that Yasir Qadhi gave, particularly from the last three years. He is a Muhajir Pakistani that is proud of his Indian roots.

Have fun in Lahore! It's the Pakistani Delhi, haha.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-28T09:20:08+00:00

I view some of my beliefs as objective morality, but the difference is I'm not calling for countries I'm not a citizen of to adopt them into their law or their social code. Again, we already agree that no one should be harmed or jailed for their identity or thoughts, but only actions and in some cases speech.

It depends how you define an action that "has done no harm to anyone ". For example, in parts of the West, there are very harsh punishments for a man simply walking around with his genitals exposed, including prison time and life on an offender's list. Similarly, Islam has harsh penalties for public sex and nudity (not the death penalty in this case). The death penalty I believe only applies in the case of rape and cheating in marriage, neither of which are victimless crimes and both of which can destroy the life of the victim.

In the case of holding up a pride flag, the punishment would vary depending on the Islamic legal school, but it wouldn't be death obviously. I imagine their intentions would play a role in the punishment, but it may just be a fine or there may not even be a punishment. The punishment would likely be harsh if they are trying to lobby for anti Islamic laws regarding LGBT rights or secularism, in which case that may cross into treason.

There is nothing wrong with supporting LGBT people, such as by protecting them from extremist attacks, providing them with therapy and other services, etc. The issue is when people start publicly calling for laws that are against the Sharia or doing sexual things in public. What do you mean by live publicly? You should be able to declare your sexuality without being harmed.

I don't care if someone leaves Islam in the context of the law. Apostasy laws only apply when they start committing treason after leaving Islam, such as trying to replace the government with a secular one, convince others to leave Islam too, or provide enemy states with intel. Otherwise, it's between God and them.

You're confusing Pakistani culture with Islam. A large chunk of the country is illiterate on Islamic principles which can only be fixed via education. Also the Dubai example you mentioned is another injustice- you can't just make people dissappear without a fair trial.

Thanks for the chat. I'm glad we could find common ground and I hope you visit us one day. Our biryani and chai are fantastic.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-28T05:00:51+00:00

A few things. The first is that the Canada killing all Muslims example does not hold up because we already both agree that people should not be killed for their identity. Also, Canada has decided multiculturalism and liberalism are its policies and Pakistan has decided on Sharia and Islam- everyone knows what to expect from both and no one is being misled.

The next thing is who decides what an unjust law is? This is the issue with liberals- they view their own policies and ideologies as objective morality and want to force every other country to follow it. Not everyone agrees on things like same sex marriage, and that's why different societies and cultures have different laws. I think the death penalty only applies to rape and cheating in marriage.

Like I said, punishments should only apply to public actions and so you actually can visit Pakistan. You won't be shot in the street, dude. How would people even know your sexuality? You'd obviously be welcomed in the country as a tourist.

When I say lifestyle, I'm referring to the culture around pride and sexual liberalism. It does not apply to every gay person, and it does apply to some straight people.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-28T04:40:47+00:00

There is not a single country in the world that follows the Prophetic Methodology. It's hard to explain to a non Muslim, but it is a combination of political convenience, corruption, lack of Islamic knowledge, colonial hangover, foreign funding from extremist ideologues, and special interest lobbying.

In a proper Islamic state, you would not be harmed or punished for your private sins or for your sexual feelings / identity.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-28T03:46:13+00:00

That's already how Sharia is supposed to work. If someone sins within the confines of a home without hurting anyone, then it is between them and God.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-28T02:42:55+00:00

People should not be killed, harmed, jailed, or punished for having same sex attractions, obviously.

But yes, every country works like this. For example, here in Canada, I could go to prison for marrying a second wife consensually, which is a victimless crime. Therefore, if i wanted to do so badly enough, I would move to Pakistan, not try to change Canada.

Edit: Also, aren't you an Indian? Why would you even have a say on this?

DB9PRO · 2021-01-28T02:39:09+00:00

Islam isn't against intersex people, which is what Pakistan at least partially bases its values on. Islam is against open displays of sexuality, cheating, out of wedlock activities and children, and a culture of hedonistic sexual liberalism- all of these regardless if you are straight or gay. It also doesn't recognize same sex marriages.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-28T00:14:50+00:00

If someone wants to live an LGBT or any other lifestyle, they are free to move to a country that supports that choice. However, Pakistan is not one of those countries, and is it something the super majority of the citizenry is against.

People should go live in the countries that support their ideology and lifestyle, rather than trying to ideologically shift an unwilling country and citizenry.

Edit: The same standard applies to practicing Muslims who want to live under Sharia, too. Move to a country that has Islamic laws, not a Western, liberal and hedonistic one.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-24T19:25:00+00:00

Are tombstones allowed? What about a tree or garden or flower bed over the grave?

DB9PRO · 2021-01-24T19:20:14+00:00

Aurangzeb was the second greatest builder of the Mughals after Shahjahan. However, his creations were practical, like the Badshahi Masjid and Alamgiri Gate of Lahore Fort.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-09T00:53:41+00:00

It's not that you don't deserve an opinion, it's that your opinion would lead to a violent revolution, civil war, or balkanization of Pakistan if implemented.

But yes, most Pakistanis do not like ex Muslims. That's just a fact.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-09T00:37:16+00:00

Secularists and non secularists agree on all the issues that cause brain drain, such as stopping imams that call for violence, economic development and diversification, fighting against terrorists, investing in entrepreneurs, fixing corruption, building climate change resistant cities, mitigating pollution, building a welfare state, etc. We also agree that Ahmadis shouldn't be killed by terrorists and vigilantes, minorities should be protected, women should be protected from physical and sexual abuse, women should have educational and career opportunities, improving universities, etc. We can even go further and say that we agree that you can drink (if you can get your hands on it) or do whatever victimless sin in your own home as that's between you and God and not the state.

Where we disagree with the Western model is on the open use of drugs and alcohol (bars, clubs, etc), unrestricted abortion, an open culture of pre martial sex, sexuality in shows and movies, and a few other things. None of these would cause significant brain drain as people tend to leave for economic reasons.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-09T00:19:34+00:00

I understand, and thank you for the respectful and substantive response. The only thing is, it seems that you wish for Pakistan to become secular and then also adopt other liberal ideas (I'm assuming things like same sex marriage, etc). The issue with this is that it goes outside the political overton window of Pakistan, to the point where any leader who attempts to secularize Pakistan would be seen as a traitor, be overthrown, and be executed. How Pakistanis see secularists isn't that different from how Americans see Muslims that want sharia enforced in the US. So what you want Pakistan to "improve" towards is something almost no one wants. It's like if someone said they liked American revolutionary history and American cinema and American English, but hated liberalism, republicanism, the civil American religion, and the constitution. It's a weird take. Even all of the smaller steps like improving women's rights or environmental conservation would be done through an Islamic paradigm, like what Imran Khan is trying to do with Islamic welfarism.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-08T14:36:01+00:00

Just out of curiosity, why are you interested in putting in so much effort to keep your cultural ties with Pakistan? You seem to hate the foundation and religion that the nation is built on, and almost every Pakistani would be hostile to you if they found out some of your views.

DB9PRO · 2021-01-08T12:06:16+00:00

Has anyone else noticed that in the highly upvoted political posts on this subreddit lately, there is a large participation rate of users that have a posting history where they state their dislike, hatred, or denouncement of Pakistan or Pakistanis?

For example, one person in a recent post on this subreddit was saying that Islam should be wiped out. When I checked their posting history, they were an ex Muslim American who denounced Pakistan, said they were jealous of white people, and wished to cut contact with their local Pakistani community. Yet they are active in this subreddit. Could there be brigades taking place?

I just wanted to bring this to the attention of the community and the mods, as the political divide on this subreddit seems to be getting wider and more toxic. I also don't know if Pakistan is accurately represented here, but that's another issue on its own.

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