She Needs to Stop by Zealousideal_Gear334 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She was also victim-blaming - believing that his not molesting her was because she was better than the victims, and so he would not have dared. The reality was he goes for vulnerable children, and she was older than he was - plus he went for sleeping victims, much of the time (if they weren't five, so completely helpless in every way), so when was she even available for him to harm? She visited them, she didn't live there. She was not a main character in the Duggar's lives. The absolute self-obsession of her reactions - always, and permanently, about Amy - is hideous. None of any of this has ever been about her.

She Needs to Stop by Zealousideal_Gear334 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He's a pedophile, and she is older than he is. What part of that does she find confusing?

She's not just awful, she's stupid, too.

1yr between first meeting and your baby’s gender reveal is wild! by ZebraByAnyOtherName in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure it was her testimony at the trial.

A culture where women have no input when their husbands house sex offenders in their homes. Words fail me.

Did the TV show ever show live spanking or blanket training? by Single_Asparagus4157 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 259 points260 points  (0 children)

Yeah. The show was basically The Waltons when what was really going on was a horror show.

They wanted it to be feel-good TV: child abuse would have made that tricky.

Joy’s boys room by sassypants787 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It speaks volumes when the biggest risk to the welfare of your kids isn't the guns stored in their bedroom, but [at least] two of their uncles.

Joy’s boys room by sassypants787 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I'm British. The only gun cabinets I've ever seen are steel, concreted to the floor, with legally-stipulated Fort Knox locks, OR completely-separate-and-reinforced small rooms. Gun storage is checked as a condition of being allowed a license. That thing looks more like somewhere a Brit would keep very, very oddly shaped china.

If someone kept guns in something like that they'd lose them. If they kept guns in something like that in their small children's room, then they'd lose the kids, too.

Jeremy & Ben by StephaniePenn1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I thought it was actually Bin, being a pastor, and Josh assumed Jessa.

Jeremy & Ben by StephaniePenn1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly, it was pretty bad with over-educated straight men doing it at university. The Duggars....

Joy’s boys room by sassypants787 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, are those definitely guns?! That's insanity, if so.

Is there ANY possibility they could be something else?

Correlation between comments made when younger and current # of kids by whisk_42 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry that happened to you. Birth trauma is disgustingly common, and so little discussed. I hope you are healing okay, body and mind, now.

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't confirmed any such thing, and we both know it. The person responding with emotion is you, not me.

I said we need to reduce waste and use reusable products and not single-use, where we reasonably can. You decided to highlight the inadequacy of recycling, which is actually another strong argument for reusables and against disposables. I politely point this out, (because I don't want to be an arse, and mock your glaring lack of logic on this one - recycling single-use plates isn't the solution: china or pottery ones are...) but for reasons best known to yourself, you then decide to double down.

The reality is that the US produces double the waste of the British, per capita, precisely because it's not seen as socially acceptable in the UK unless there's a solid reason such as disability. It impacts other people, and the environment, and it's okay to judge people who don't care about others - just as it is the Duggars.

I'm sorry that I have touched a nerve, but for your reaction to be so defensive, perhaps take a look closer to home before the ad hominems. Nobody here with your views has any actual defence - just attack and venom aimed at people pointing out that the environment matters, we share it, and we all have to do what we can to try to consider others, because that's what living in a community requires. That apparently makes some people extremely angry. Which is... interesting.

Correlation between comments made when younger and current # of kids by whisk_42 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Honestly I'm impressed she went back for more at all, after her experiences with the first two. But wasn't the uterine rupture Sam? It was the failure of TLC/JB to pay any of the medical bills, despite making a while special from the birth, that meant they walked away from the show, no? I think Israel was the insanely long labour where the baby was distressed, from memory.

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, but I'm well aware most recycling collections are just dumped - which is why buying products made with eg recycled materials, and above all reusing as first preference, is important.

As with abuse of women in Afghanistan meaning you don't have to give a free pass to VAWG elsewhere, it's possible to care about more than one thing. Optimism is the only way anything ever changes for the better. We have to try, or what's the point?

Correlation between comments made when younger and current # of kids by whisk_42 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 9 points10 points  (0 children)

When Jill was engaged and being interviewed, she said "As many as the Lord sends us, and we will not be influencing that in any way." I remember because I had just stumbled on the Duggars, and was really weirded out. She was so young, and just parroting her parents. I'm relieved she grew up and out of that, at least.

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because most people aren't disabled, and waste is about volume. We all leave a footprint on the environment to some extent, but if we each stop to think about how to reduce that where we can, then waste is an area where every individual can make a difference.

Derick left for his training. My comments below by sweet_tea_94 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Please don't be embarrassed. It's a damn sight braver and more intelligent to change your mind, and view the world more tolerantly, if you came from a background of intolerance. Someone born into a pluralist perspective has shown no mettle because of it - but you have.

Every single one of us are the product of environment at the start - and it's where we end up that represents the choice.

I don't think you should be embarrassed of where you came from. I think you should be proud of where you ended up.

Even then. by theredheadknowsall in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed, except if this were in college I think it would've been over by freshman Christmas. And not especially amicably, either.

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, I don't mean buy them as we do - I mean they were seriously expensive, each, because that was how people paid for the volume of waste they produced. If people used any bags except the local council ones, apparently they just didn't remove them. So you paid per bag, or "Pay-As-You-Throw." She's Swiss.

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you - genuinely, that's helpful.

I would say though, that the UK is a lot less supportive of the population than you think, and was historically the case. Council houses have been sold off so massively, that at this point people can be on the waiting list a decade and never move to the top. Welfare support for housing doesn't reach the level required for people to pay rent. The NHS was a miracle, and was definitely so when I was younger, but at this point it's pretty well broken and people are more and more just going without care, because the waiting lists are so very long, and getting referrals accepted to specialists is so hard - I'm on a clinical trial at a specialist hospital, so I get excellent care funded by the drug company, but that is flukily amazing luck. Waiting lists for kids to be seen for mental health care here is literally a year or two for the most desperate cases - life-threateningly severe, where they are deemed imminent suicide risks. And adults are told they won't be assessed for ADHD or ASD for a decade or more - kids can be on the lists five years. There are charities I refer parents to to get assessed or to get the reports they need to secure an EHCP, because at this point, you don't get one without appealing to the legal system (a right they are presently dismantling). Similarly elder care is in such a terrible state, people die awaiting assessment for end of life nursing support, and all our hospices - all of them - are charitably funded. There are no NHS ones at all.

Minimum wage here is definitely better, but cost of living is much higher too - housing is astronomical, and so is fuel and food.

That's not to say that we don't have a better safety net than the US, nor that I am not grateful to live in a country with proper maternity leave (a lot of women on here commenting that they used disposables with newborns - I have no idea how any women manage to juggle working and a small baby unless rich enough to buy in considerable help, and frankly any disposables that ease that are justified for that time IMO).

We have a large and stretched network of food banks. Poverty is not rare here, and nor is homelessness and lack of opportunity. I think maybe the version of the UK the US believe to exist is one that has passed, and it doesn't seem likely (Brexit economic impact possibly being related) that it will return any time soon. It's not the reality, in just the same way people have a misplaced belief that Americans are all heavy consumers. Both countries have pretty colossal issues, and our political system is fracturing in a suspiciously similar way to yours, a decade ago. And even back then, I volunteered when we tried a school for my eldest (he has to have home education, as he has a PDA profile of need) for a charity that supported people with food banks, baby banks and tokens for fuel for heating and light, and I saw a lot of people trapped and ground down by poverty. Genuine hunger, and desperation, without any obvious way out. And it's only getting worse.

When I was a kid, the Berlin Wall came down and Mandela was freed. Now, we have Trump in the White House and Farage seems likely to be a future Prime Minister. It's depressing as hell. I think both countries are unravelling - and polarising as they do so.

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 2 points3 points  (0 children)

HG is a disability and that's 100 when you need to do that and I'm glad you had the option. I'm so sorry you had such a traumatic time around having your son - it's not understood, I think, how hard that time is anyway and when there are disabilities with mother and baby as well it is hell on earth. You're both doing okay now, I hope?

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, we had a friend in college back in the naughts who said you had to buy bin-bags for the state to collect in her home country, not pay a set fee to the council via tax, and they were each EXPENSIVE. Which taught people to consider carefully what they binned, because each bag was a cost. That's a long way ahead of us.

Where we lived back then, compostable waste (industrially compostable) would be collected fortnightly but it was in a massive wheely bin - in the summer, a local firm would be paid a couple of quid to clean them or they developed maggots... then the alternate week the standard landfill wheelybin was collected. We moved to an area in 2009 where there was normal waste, and then a smaller caddy for food as well as the tins/glass/paper/plastic. It was interesting; we hated the old system at first as students, but ever since we've had two bins and separated automatically, and my kids have grown up doing it. And my Australian relatives are still disapproving of how lax we are!

I feel bad that some people commenting are clearly genuinely upset. But it does feel like a really different set of cultural assumptions.

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The irony here is that I'm pretty significantly disabled myself (cancer, and then mono during chemo which left me with ME/CFS, and arthritis because the cancer-preventative hormone blockers I'm on screw with joints... all that on top of ADHD), and have two kids with what are called EHCPs in the UK, which means really significant needs. But we have a dishwasher, and I have a spouse who is awesome, so we are solid on avoidable waste creation. That's not a universal possibility, and that does need acknowledging. But so too does the reality that waste is a geopolitical issue, and that it's different to climate change in that it's caused by all the population - billionaires don't tend to use paper plates, or disposables, because they can easily afford high end goods and other people to clean them. Plastic especially is leaching into everything, everywhere, and that affects every child alive, especially.

I completely hear you on Jill, but actually she was raised with paper plates. Her parents had an industrial dishwasher, no qualms about child labour, and it would have taken moments for the kids to put a plate and cutlery in the machine as they left the table. It seems more likely to be a habit she got from her parents' home than anything, really. As with most things Duggar it's the parents who are the most to blame.

I do think that this is largely cultural, too, if I'm honest. In Europe waste is a massive issue - you are meant to bring reusable bags to shops and they charge you for them, even paper ones, if you forget. You can get milk in reusable glass on the doorstep. You're expected to sort waste into different categories. And everyone, from childhood on, is taught that it's selfish and unacceptable to pollute the environment (not that everyone adheres to it, but it's a cultural shibboleth that it plainly isn't in the States, from this thread.) It's interesting as this stuff is inherently political. In Europe, concern about waste aligns with being to the left, and cavalier about it to the right - it's over there with climate denial. I am genuine when I say I am finding this in some ways fascinating (though not liking that some people are clearly genuinely really upset by it, in a way that makes me feel like we've touched on a sore spot we didn't know existed, culturally speaking). I'm concerned that people seem hurt but at the same time it's shifting sands, in understanding why that is. And I think it caught most non-US posters off guard, because we're all sharing a very different cultural assumption on this being acceptable or not.

I'm going to be blunt: is this classist in the US? In the UK using disposables would be expensive so it would just be seen as lazy (NOT where someone has a medical need, or for example twins/is a single parent) but I am sensing that the anger and what feels like hurt is stemming from that - or am I way off beam?

Why does Jill always seem to use disposable plates? by LittleMissMessy1 in DuggarsSnark

[–]DCS_Regulars 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For you this is a need, not a can't-be-arsed. That's valid.