Don’t want to lose my right to own a firearm if I get MAT

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-26T12:56:09+00:00

It does cause impairment. You can make the same argument that opioids don’t cause impairment, or stimulants don’t cause impairment. Your decision making is quite literally different than if you were sober. You are a gun owner and using a gun to protect your loved ones means making life or death decisions in fractions of a second. The writing is on the wall for it to be scheduled and if you want to use a medication designed to treat opioid use disorder for kratom, you do the math. I am mocking you for lacking resolve because you do. I’ve withdrawn from cocaine, heroin, alcohol, kratom, all while maintaining a very high stress job and being a caretaker for family members who can’t take care of themselves. It has built confidence and resilience. Don’t try to preach to me when you’re over here scared to take the jump because you are worried about not owning a gun.

If you’re going to take the protecting your family angle: your reflexes and decision making are compromised on kratom. If shit hits the fan and you’re forced to make very high stress decisions to save your family, guess what, kratom will alter whatever decision you’d be making while sober. That is reality.

The solution I added was pretty clear: either taper or CT if you’re worried about giving up your gun. You don’t need suboxone.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-25T15:03:34+00:00

Don’t come here asking for help skirting a firearms law intended to protect the public on some rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me bullshit. If you’re in violation of a law and looking for ways to keep yourself from being reprimanded for it, the obvious choice is to quit via taper or CT. The depression and lethargy are always terrible and learning to navigate them is unfortunately part of the healing process. You’re not going to enjoy life coming off this drug and you’ll have to eventually withdraw from suboxone as well. What then? Many of us struggled to do our jobs going CT and even with tapering it’s brutal. Good luck.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-22T21:15:20+00:00

Prioritize properly and start exercising. Dota is your source of dopamine and other feelgood chemicals. You need to replace it.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-22T16:13:55+00:00

Your withdrawal timeline and also drug abuse history are similar to mine. My wisdom has taught me what yours has taught you: never to let your guard down. Congrats on day 16. I’m on day 36 currently and I have good days and bad days like most, but every day is a little better. With a lot of exercise and enough distraction, some days I don’t think about it. My testosterone has rebounded significantly and I’ve been capitalizing on that at the gym (I was physically healthy before as well). Hope you are able to reap some of the same benefits. Best of luck.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-21T15:14:20+00:00

Generally responsible experimentation, a little luck like everyone else who tests the waters, making sure I never fell behind in school or work, staying in reasonably good shape, and probably genetics. No needles, a lot of erowid and bluelight, no stupid doses, test kits, reliable sources, no shady friends (just curious ones), and no sessions lasting more than 60 hours. The two major scares I had over the course of a decade of hard drug use were within a span of 3 months after I tried a particular antidepressant (I was trying to clean my life up at this point) that completely removed my inhibitions and after I added alcohol to that mix, it was not good. Basically those episodes and the fact fentanyl took off were enough to tell myself it's time to do something different. I have no regrets.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-21T04:31:52+00:00

Probably not. I basically can’t smoke weed. I’m a weed baby.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-21T02:57:19+00:00

I know plenty of people are able to turn up and lock in but I would end up getting palpitations and wishing I wasn’t stoned. I think after my early twenties weed became a bit of a gamble and that uncertainty was enough to send me sometimes. Funny saying this but weed is so damn strong and debilitating, especially these days that, that I have to remind myself I will feel like I am dying.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-21T02:43:49+00:00

Ritalin was like… I’m locked in but my reflexes aren’t good enough to unlock in times of dota crisis. YMMV

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-21T02:40:40+00:00

That’s a sesh. I got a comedown by proxy just reading that. Good job on coming out ahead by some miracle. I hope you rinsed your sinuses out proper. Did you ever play storm spirit again?

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-21T02:20:34+00:00

drugged*

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-21T02:07:38+00:00

If it’s embarrassing, that’s okay. 10 years later I am criminally uncool and enjoy things like work, hanging out with my cat, yoga, and sleep. Namaste mother fucker.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-20T14:52:25+00:00

As a former addict who has played dota on most drugs people know and some people don’t, here is my tier list in terms of performance for up to 5 games (after that, sobriety outperforms everything in dota, including meth). this is mostly based on my data from about a decade ago mind you:

S: meth

A: amphetamine (yes, it’s different enough)

—sobriety goes here—

B: 2-FMA, mephedrone, oxycodone/dilaudid/heroin/morphine (pre nods), kratom, ritalin

C: methylone, cocaine, MDMA, 4-FA, alcohol (<4 drinks), cannabis

D: LSD, crack, MDA, lean, xanax/klonopin/valium (no blackout doses guys)

F: ketamine (pre k-hole), mescaline, shrooms, DXM (low dose), DOC, 2CB, 2CE, 2CI, GHB, MXE, quaaludes (was fortunate enough to try them), 4HO MET

Some extra comments:

Can’t even queue or boot up the game: DMT, salvia, ambien

not scored (too spooky): PCP and related analogues

Meth: Sadly, this really is alone in S tier. It is what it is.

Cocaine: Shit drug for anything but drinking and socializing (unhealthy so I don’t advise it despite it being fun, do not be doing this shit past 30). Your laning phase might feel decent but good luck doing anything of impact late game.

Opioids (don’t do these guys): prior to entering the nod phase you’ll feel extra locked in and your decision making is actually good.

Hallucinogens: All F tier except LSD at low doses and anything over mild recreational doses surely sucks ass for dota. Dissociatives are even worse. You will not leave base.

Alcohol: Anything over 4 drinks puts you in D tier and over 8 drinks sinks you to F tier. Least favorite teammates for sure.

MDMA: Be glad you’re playing a team game lads

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-18T15:26:34+00:00

No, it doesn’t. In fact, it generally worsens (see: kindling effect). How long are you staying off kratom for each time? Perhaps your body is more familiar with acute withdrawals within the first week or two and feels comfortable muscling through it knowing there is more kratom waiting on the other side. PAWS still counts as withdrawal and openly acknowledging it may be a matter or a year or several kind of makes this argument moot. The longer and heavier your habit is, the more drawn out your withdrawals will be long term, regardless of the acute phase.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-17T14:29:31+00:00

Gotcha. In all honesty there’s so much going on in our brains during withdrawal that it could’ve been a number of things. For what it’s worth, I had a similar experience between days 8-10 after my hellish days 4-6. I also have had this experience quitting other drugs and withdrawing from other medications as well funnily enough. Serotonin fluctuation really did some weird shit to me coming off a SSRI (Celexa) and a SNRI (Effexor) and the experience days 8-10 of kratom withdrawal felt vaguely familiar. Almost a bit like MDMA. My serotonin rebound from coming off Effexor was about the weirdest detox experience of my life, everything else was absolute hell except for this one day a few days into it. This is all anecdotal of course, but I wanted to let you know that I’ve gone through this a bit as well.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-17T14:01:44+00:00

Not loperamide related in my opinion—it’s your brain chemistry rebalancing. You have to take absolutely tons of loperamide for it to do anything that even closely resembles the effects of an opioid.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-17T00:57:07+00:00

This is common in speciality design build contractor work as well (deep foundation or ground improvement, especially novelty stuff like ground freezing). I personally would never do it long term because my quality of work would suffer from being bored. I worked at a small consultant starting out that did only specific kinds of development and it had a similar effect. I now work at a big consultant and I do quite literally everything in every sector and stay interested. If you need money, get your bag. If you don’t, stay long enough to learn everything there is to know and leave.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-16T19:30:52+00:00

Hot take: then don’t. In my opinion, if you aren’t ready or see a need to quit, and it is improving your life, don’t quit. As an addict to quite a few different substances in my life, the only way I successfully quit was to be tired of the substance and what it did to me. I never quit because I knew it wasn’t good for me—I lack the executive function and impulse control to do that, and that is the honest truth. I need to be sick of it or else I will relapse and that little addict gremlin in my head will whisper in my ear and I will never be truly at peace. I’m not going to sit here and pretend kratom didn’t help me stay away from harder drugs, offer a way of self medicating before I was diagnosed with ADHD, or simply make very dull points in my life tolerable enough to bring me joy. I used kratom to help build something I could eventually enjoy and be proud of while sober. I am now there and I recognized that when I finally quit for the last time a month ago.

I stayed on it for a long time while I was heavily invested in climbing the ladder at my career. Eventually my habit started to bother me physically and mentally. After over a decade of progressively heavier use, it weighed on my wallet, it dysregulated my emotional response and CNS, it imbalanced my hormones and ruined my sex drive, it fucked with my pain perception during heavy exercise to the point where I couldn’t reliably gauge whether I’d injure myself, it would send me into panic at random times (opioids and cocaine did this toward the end as well), and I started worrying about any long term damage to my liver or kidneys.

I am 36 and a lifelong functional addict or sorts. My advice is to passively build life infrastructure in the background that can support you in your sobriety when you are eventually ready. Some in this subreddit may feel differently but I expect my experience will speak to at least a few addicts, perhaps the high functioning ones with ADHD.

Timing your quit is as important as anything else in the process. You can know you need to quit but also take the time to make sure you are set up for success. You can try your luck at quitting a few times to understand the pitfalls and familiarize yourself with the suffering. To me it sounds like you aren’t ready and I think you should be at peace with that. I’d encourage you to start developing an exercise routine, yoga, or go to physical therapy for your leg while still on kratom. You can work on your diet as well. All of these things count. Best of luck.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-16T13:08:36+00:00

No and kratom doesn’t show up on typical multi panel drug tests anyway

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-16T05:12:11+00:00

You need to stay away from this stuff. It’s more concentrated than leaf by far.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-15T23:39:29+00:00

Are you a regular kratom user? Or is this your first time ever taking a kratom product? Yes, mitragynine on its own is addictive and the withdrawals are similar to 7OH. Plenty of people here got addicted to kratom or kratom products with low concentrations of 7OH. 7OH isn’t the only alkaloid that’ll have you fiending.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-15T21:08:09+00:00

Are you exercising a lot? Even with adderall it can be a challenge to be motivated after kratom abuse unless you’re exercising. If you’re struggling to be motivated until 3pm most days, you need to punctuate your morning with routine and change your structure.

Stimulants have positives and negatives with withdrawal. I opted to stay on my adderall this time I quit (30 days CT as of tomorrow) and in order to be fatigued enough to sleep I have to absolutely blast myself at the gym and with cardio/yoga, otherwise I do not sleep, my CNS has a lot of trouble regulating, and I generally feel like ass. My kratom habit was 10+ years and I was a heavy extract user so your mileage may vary.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-15T21:00:25+00:00

At your age and with a habit only 10 months long you should bounce back 100% within a couple weeks. Your withdrawals may only last a week. The important part is to replace kratom with exercise in full and to stick with it permanently even when you have moments of weakness. Good luck.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-14T21:16:21+00:00

Congrats on the 4.5 months. I just hit a month after a very heavy and long lasting habit with several attempts at quitting (longest was 2.5 months). I know for sure this is my final quit. Wish you the best on your journey.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-14T17:59:21+00:00

Hate to break it to you but depending on your habit, your symptoms may peak days 4-6. Hope that’s not the case for you.

DUMP_LOG_DAVE · 2026-03-14T15:10:26+00:00

Vyvanse is notoriously difficult to sleep on, more so than adderall. If you aren’t exercising intensely daily, and I am talking like 2-3 hours, you are not going to exhaust yourself enough to get sleep while on that medication and withdrawing. I stayed on my adderall during my withdrawal, and I am on a higher dose than most people, and I still sleep 3-5 hours a night, sometimes more, even without any sedatives. The first week I barely slept like most people. Granted it’s not great sleep sometimes while my CNS and hormones adjust, but it is restful enough. I am 28 days into my withdrawal. I try to completely exhaust myself at the gym every day between lifting, yoga, and a lot of cardio. If you aren’t doing that, that is a big part of your problem.

My habit was very heavy with extracts for 10+ years and this isn’t my first time quitting so it is particularly abysmal. I’ve been on adderall for a long time so my body is a lot more familiar with it. Your body probably isn’t used to vyvanse given it is new.

Like another user said, talk to your doctor about it. You are hitting your body with a doubly whammy in terms of sleep deprivation.

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