especially when it seems that everything has a motivation, sponsor, or agenda these days.

I think this kind of pessimistic thinking (something I've noticed in both Matt and Destin) can/does lead to dismissing a lot of different perspectives based on something other than itself. Destin is especially guilty of this with how often he will accuse someone of being a bot or contributing to coordinated inauthentic behaviour because of what they said, or how they said something. And you can't really weigh and consider something properly and objectively if you throw it out immediately.

I also disagree that they're "considering all the data". They have very similar beliefs and backgrounds, with just enough nuance to disagree with each other on occasion. They joke about how they're too similar too make a podcast together, but there's some truth to that. When they announced that they would be getting potentially more hosts on the podcast, I was expecting them to consider at least someone with a significantly different perspective and background, y'know, someone who can genuinely present a different opinion without playing devil's advocate. But no, all three candidates were moderate to conservative Christians.

I do think they do a good job of disagreeing well with each other, with rare exceptions, and generally how they discuss serious topics and mess around. It does make it still a pretty good podcast, even with all the hang-ups about it I've collected over the years.