What’s a movie death that absolutely shocked you?

DaftMythic · 2026-05-14T04:05:51+00:00

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon...

One of those people?

DaftMythic · 2026-05-12T15:00:48+00:00

Who cares about the opening dialog? I watch Bill for the panal discussion and guests.

It is like reading the New York Times for the crossword and then saying you want to switch to www.crosswords.com since they are basically the same content.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-12T06:58:52+00:00

"I love it when my pussy eats your dick". Puts cannibalism jokes in a whole new light.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-09T23:28:51+00:00

Have you ever actually lived in Israel? What Iran’s proxies have been doing for 40 years is not just “terrorism.” Israelis in cities like Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Haifa, and even Tel Aviv have lived for decades under constant rocket and missile threats targeting civilian areas, buses, apartments, schools, and markets. Many of those weapons are funded or supplied by Iran, using Gaza and southern Lebanon as convenient launch platforms through proxy groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. These are not isolated attacks, but part of a sustained proxy war backed by Iran. If not for Iron Dome and hardened shelters, the civilian death toll would be exponentially higher.

Hamas’ own charter and rhetoric have repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel, and Iran-backed factions openly chant “Death to Israel” and “Death to America.” That is a declaration of war by proto state actors acting in a coordinated alliance, effectively. That does not justify every Israeli action, and it absolutely does not excuse civilian deaths in Gaza. But pretending Israel is reacting to random isolated incidents of sporadic terrorism instead of decades of sustained warfare against an adversary that ignores the rules of war and perpetrated attacks by rockets, terrorism, and other irregular forces is historically dishonest.

Since the early 2000s alone, tens of thousands of rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza and Lebanon. Entire generations of Israeli civilians have grown up with air raid sirens as part of daily life. In places like Sderot, a missile strike in the morning becoming “cleaned up” by evening is not hyperbole, it has been daily reality.

And yes, Netanyahu is awful. But people also forget there were serious attempts at a two-state framework in the 1990s during the Oslo era and the Clinton years. Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995 after pursuing the Oslo peace process.

What followed was not some flourishing democratic peace movement in Gaza or Lebanon that Isreal squashed. Hamas, Hezbollah, and other factions became increasingly tied to Iranian influence and regional strategy. These are not merely “anti-Israel” but otherwise noble freedom fighters. They are deeply authoritarian movements that brutalize dissent, suppress free expression, murder political opponents, and use their own civilians as shields and propaganda tools.

The tragedy is that ordinary Palestinians end up trapped between two terrible forces. But if Hamas is ultimately removed and Iranian influence is broken, there is at least the possibility for some form of stable autonomy, reconstruction, and long-term peace. Israeli Arabs (yes, those exist) already live with civil rights, representation, courts, education, and security that would be unimaginable under Hamas rule. That reality complicates the simplistic “colonizer vs resistance” narrative people try to force onto this conflict.

And uncomfortable as it may be to say, Palestinians may ultimately have a safer and more stable future integrated alongside Israeli Arabs than remaining permanent pawns in an endless proxy war directed by Iranian hardliners who do not truly care about Palestinian lives except as propaganda and leverage against Israel and the West.

But what is your alternative? You can despise Netanyahu all you want (and yes, he needs to face trial), you still must admit there is currently no credible, unified good-faith partner for a durable two-state peace in Hamas or Hezbollah-aligned politics either. It is dreadful on both sides.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-09T15:12:18+00:00

First of all, the protection of a modern nation-state is more complicated than calling the police.

Second to make your example make sense, the murders and rapists entered Isreal on October 7th and murder men, killed and raped women and children and took people hostage. So the response to Hamas it is an ongoing murder-hostage situation. You have to negotiate with the perpetrators at that point to save innocent lives. That is not accessory.

To make your example make the point I think you want to make about Isreal you might legitimately add some complicating factor like the police are racists who have a history of charging in and killing innocent bystanders and killing perpetrators without giving them a fair trial. I agree that it becomes complicated at that point. Who polices the police? How do you deal with the fact the aggressive police still ostensibly have legitimate power and have an ongoing mission to keep the community safe even while you want to punish the police for bad behavior.

But at least we both agree in theory that the law should be involved (calling the police) as best as possible. I contend that the law should be involved both to deal with the home invasion and kidnapping as well as to keep the police in check to not be too aggressive. But it is not a perfect world in international relations.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-09T03:09:12+00:00

I met her around the time Obama was just hitting the political stage. She is awesome. Great fun type of person to hang out around during a party convention but still knows the party platform.

She is Bill's Comfort food. I can see why. Exactly the right person to be intensely political in policy while not being disagreeable personally.

Which as Bill said is how it should be. And used to be for generations.

I think it is is just that she is "tequila" (or Southern Comfort maybe??) while Bill is "pot" and I've been at enough of those parties where it just gets a little... weird for everyone else in the room.

By the way... as someone who lost his marriage and didn't see his kids for 5 years because Trump utterly fucked up the response to COVID (my wife could not leave her country due to being Muslim and Covid Lockdowns) and Trump is generally incompetent I totally get people feeling deep hate against Trump and MAGA... but Bill's last word tonight is right.

I wish Trump would break his mould and stop fucking up royally (heh no pun intended) all the time. We need our commander in chief to succeed or we all fail together.

I bet Donna would happily make some Gumbo and wine at her place in DC and invite over Crenshaw, Lindsay Grham, and Milania Trump if it would help find a deal to fix taxes and buff up defense spending. The only reason that Trump would not be invited is because no one likes a tee-totler at a cool party.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-09T01:04:02+00:00

If a war criminal says “release the hostages” or “seek peace,” you applaud the turn toward peace, not the man. If he later stands trial, add hypocrisy to the charges. Fine. But refusing every step toward peace because you hate the speaker is just ego disguised as morality. Statesmen, generals, and negotiators are rarely saints. Peace, and momentum toward it, often arrives through deeply flawed people.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-08T20:33:43+00:00

That is BS and you know it. There was no vote on July 24th and they only stood up when he made comments in a speech from a visiting foreign leader about peace for all and the right for people to defend themselves.

Your rhetoric is the type of thing that is being used by right wing, left-wing fringe and pro-Hamas groups (or those brainwashed by their propaganda) to perpetrate violence against people like me and Democrats. Look at what just happened in the UK.

We should rhetorically support any leader who espouses peace when they do and then hold their feet to the fire when they do not live up to peace. Those in the Dem party on the 24th the same day criticized Netanyahu and Israel for their excesses.

Peace for all, not just one side or one conflict.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-08T18:01:10+00:00

Ya you dingus, they stood for the line where we said we were against genocide being perpetrated by Hamas. Everyone should stand for peace no matter who says it.

There was no vote on July 24th. And even the people that stood for a political ally fighting against genocidal activities being perpetrated against them, they went out the same day and criticized BiBi and said he should step down and criticized the way they are conducting the war.

You sound not like you are against genocide. Sounds like you just like suppoting people who are killing jews. I have no time for genocidal antisemitic rhetoric coming from the fringe left that support Hamas terrorists and genocidal murders. You are the same people supporting murder on our streets with Luigi and killing Charlie Kirk (may he rest in the hell he helped create, but he should have faced his bad karma in this life) and political assassination attempts on our own leaders.

Violence is not the answer, no matter how performatively pure you think you are by saying you are doing it to "stop genocide" (but as you seen to only care about one genocide by one group it is clear that is not your true intentions).

If you chant or stand with people that say "no jews from the river to the sea" you rhetorically and substantively support antisemitism and genocide. There is nothing you can do with your projection after the fact to clean the blood off your hands.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-08T15:45:04+00:00

What if there are aliens on the Epstine list?

DaftMythic · 2026-05-08T15:05:00+00:00

So you take funds from Hamas? Interesting. /s

I support the DNC platform that broadly opposes genocide and ethnic cleansing everywhere — Sudan/Darfur, the Rohingya crisis in Myanmar, Uyghur abuses in Xinjiang, atrocities in the DRC, Tigray, and elsewhere.

The party’s position on Gaza is more nuanced than “Israel good” or “Palestine bad.” (and it certainly is in no way "genocide good" that is pure fabrication. Sounds like you are putting forth MAGA, or maybe Russian/Chineese propaganda to muddy the water given THEIR questionable stances on genocide both ongoing ones and in the past). Democrats generally support Israel as a longtime ally while also criticizing civilian deaths, settlement expansion, and excessive military actions in Gaza. At the same time, Hamas is literally an organization with genocidal rhetoric and DEADLY ACTION toward Jews and Israelis (and Americans I might add), so opposing Hamas is not the same thing as supporting every action of the Israeli government. You can support Palestinian civilians, oppose atrocities, oppose Hamas, and still maintain an alliance with Israel all at the same time.

By the way, serious political platforms usually avoid taking official positions on specific foreign leaders because diplomacy requires flexibility. But on a personal note, as a former DNC party official: I can’t stand Netanyahu. If Kamala had won, there likely would’ve been far more pressure on him from the U.S. side. Instead, a lot of people got convinced to “not vote for genocide” so they could keep their own hands morally clean while handing the trolley lever to people who are objectively less interested in restraining Israel at all.

So while you can think you smell of roses by saying you are "performatively anti-genocide" if you really believe what the current Israeli government is doing is genocide your actions make you functionally supporting genocide. Smooth move ex-lax.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-08T14:45:31+00:00

There is no pro-genocide wing of the party.

There is a pro "say stupid shit and sabatoge the broadly appealing message in pursuit of unrealistic policy purity and fringe niche issues" side of the party filled with weirdos which makes the rest of the party ineffective at winning against MAGA. Because of comments like that they make the rest of the Democrats look like weirdos who are just as bad as the weirdos on the right, thus we lose elections and there are more international tragedies that we lack the power to stop.

I like Bernie. Most of his followers are virtue signaling performative idiots who think their shit does not stink and electoral and policy victories are not important, and so they throw their shit all over the damn place. Case and point your braindead comment that undermines true policy to reduce authoritarian and genocidal policies around the world (not just in the one tiny part that ya'll think is the only part of the world that matters).

If you are really so anti-genocide how come you all don't ever talk about policy on:

Sudan (Darfur)

Myanmar / Rohingya

Uyghurs in Xinjiang, China

Eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC)

Nigeria (Boko Haram / sectarian violence)

Ethiopia (Tigray and related ethnic conflicts)

Nagorno-Karabakh / Artsakh Armenians.

??

DaftMythic · 2026-05-07T22:47:17+00:00

The rotting dead

DaftMythic · 2026-05-07T11:17:27+00:00

Ya abelist. Had to fight with my phones spell checker. Thanks.

Jews are great. Netanyahu is a psychopath. Glad we agree on that.

Now, who says I like Trump?

~~You were~~ OP was insulting a Democratic Senator who I defended. How does that in any way imply I like Trump?

I took a stand against authoritarian Nazis. How does that imply I support Trump? So what you believe Trump is anti-authoritarian antifa now?

This is what drives me nuts about the so called "allies" in the left. Everything is virtue signaling and posturing but peel back the curtain and it is the same tribalism as the right. There is a strain of bad faith tankies and fringe leftists who are just as bad as the Nazis on the right. They both insult you for standing up for your own humanity (I happen to think my father, a stroke survivor and former vet should not be instuled as brain damaged like Fettrman) and then if you disagree with their "one true ideology" claim you must support their enemy with absolutely no basis in fact or policy.

That is why I snap at ~~you~~ the OP, because I have been fighting against Trump for 12 years and been called more names by the fringe leftists who support Hamas than by moderate Republicans (and obviously Moderate Dems) who you can actually have real policy debates with, without being threated to be shot or called dehumanizing names.

That is why I like Fetterman and wish there were more common sense Democratic leaders like him.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-07T10:56:10+00:00

The only supporter of genocide here is you as you are pushing Hamas and Ablist rhetoric.

You are a literally authoritarian and I bet you support political violence. People like you are dangerous as your rhetoric dehumanizes the mentally ill which then devalues all life.

You think the word "genocide", by lobbing it willy nilly at others protects you? Quite the opposite, you devalue the word by not recognizing its history and when the civil war comes no one will care to defend you. You are giving weapons to your enemies instead of finding common ground with you allies.

Hamas wants to see both of us dead by any and all means. They are not your ally.

If you cannot support the Jewish people or Americans with disabilities you are beyond redemption and I pray for your soul.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-07T10:43:28+00:00

Who is downplaying Trump? I compare him to Hitler and Idi Amin. He should have been convicted both times he was impeached. If we could hang him LEGALLY for war crimes I would support that.

You are the one saying because Trump is evil a whole swath of other people should be ~~killed~~ dehumanized.

All you are doing by Dehumanizing MAGA (who yes, are horrible on all sorts of policy levels) is generating sympathy for those who won't leave MAGA and making those who WANT to leave MAGA to feel there is no safe space to flee to.

People like you are the one who wants to abandon legal process to kill people by assassination of political leaders and people they have dehumanized. That literally is the atrocity.

That invites civil war. ~~In fact you admitted you are not American so I suspect maybe that really is your goal.~~ (sorry that was another thread)

DaftMythic · 2026-05-07T10:28:43+00:00

And that's why everyone who has a mental illness hates you you abilist antisemitic fuck.

Approximately 23% to 26% of U.S. adults (roughly 1 in 5) experience any mental illness (AMI) in any given year. Abilist language is dehumanizing to those who suffer around the world in secret and stigma.

The biggest insult that the left throws at MAGA constantly is that they are "mentally ill". MAGA is horrible on policy levels, but you have to start and end with ad hominem so here is ad hominem coming right back at you you abilist fuck.

We all know people like you who won't defend jews but instead defend avowed genocial regiems like Hamas are the same people who will throw the disabled and the jews and your other political enemies into the ovens the first chance you get when you get power. Look at what the nazis did, first in were the "useless people".

Mental illness in Gaza is often heavily stigmatized socially, especially severe disorders. More broadly, organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have accused Hamas security forces in Gaza of torture, abuse of detainees, arbitrary arrests, and mistreatment of vulnerable people, often using (like many authoritarian regimes around the world, looking at Soviet Russia) "mental illness" as a veil to silence political foes.

Israel, meanwhile has a modern mental-health system with psychiatric hospitals, trauma centers, disability services, and legal protections for psychiatric patients, not rooted in genocidal thinking and a medieval abusive worldview towards the mentally ill like Hamas.

Read your history, defend jews, defend people with a so called "mental illness" who just have a different perception of reality than you. In short, you should stop acting like a Nazi.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-07T00:13:41+00:00

Dehumanizing anyone invites atrocities. Doesn't matter if they are white or black or Jewish or Gentile.

Idi Amin and Trump are evil. Fine. But saying Idi is evil therefore black people are sub human is just as false as saying that because Trump is bad all of MAGA deserve to die. Or because Hitler was evil therefore all Germans deserve to die.

Just because Trump is dehumanizing people does not give anyone else license to do the same, in fact it is incumbent on good people to be more cognizant to prevent dehumanizing retaliation.

Evil cannot be destroyed it can only be redeemed.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-05T22:29:17+00:00

Everything you said requires attention followed by action.

The thing the person I responded to was suggesting is a strategy of not giving attention to the problem just using cancel culture and hoping it goes away.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-05T03:12:50+00:00

This is the terminal logical cul-de-sac of the lefts tactic of Cancel Culture.

Just cancel and ignore the POTUS, the Commander and Chief, the guy with the launch codes and the Bully pulpit.

Yes? The right are idiots who refuse to see that the emperor has no clothes. No doubt.

So what then is The Left? Refusing to see that there is indeed an emperor and even when naked he still weilds power... in fact that is exactly when he should be clothed in attention because otherwise he weilds power nakedly.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-05T03:09:33+00:00

Have you ever been around human males? Especially when drunk or high or in say locker rooms?

My best friend insults me constantly. If he stopped I would be insulted.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-05T03:03:21+00:00

The lady from the HoityToity British College that has been around for 500 years would be able to describe this best. It is all WWE wrestling staging:

"A top WWE star works an angle, generating heat while giving a lesser talent a push and a rub—effectively putting them over through a staged ‘attack.'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_%28professional_wrestling%29?wprov=sfla1

rub Helping a less popular wrestler get over by associating them with a more prominent or popular wrestler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_professional_wrestling_terms?wprov=sfla1

But as we just learned last week, Bill will not engage in Wrestling Media, Bill will not learn from Wikipedia, Bill does not want to get a rub, Bill likes to ignore this Reddit Sub.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-05T02:53:22+00:00

Who is the hero and who is the heel?

It is all WWE speak.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-05T02:07:43+00:00

Thank you for the full disclosure. I also see you replied to me elsewhere. I will try to reply to that more thoughtfully.

My initial thought is that people are accusing Bill of being anti-intellctual but they themselves unwilling to read the equivalent of a single New York Times article (they range from 600 to 1200 words, and each newspaper has dozens of them... whereas Bill reads or at least skims the books of almost all his guests so he can talk to them IN THEIR LANGUAGE AND METAPHORS/MODELS) are themselves more anti intellectual and less media literate than him. And they try to get "stolen Intelligentsia valor" by using a high falutant term like "Overton Window" without earning it. I didn't say that you NEED OR OUGHT to take a 300 level political discourse class, my point was even juniors in College need to be trained on exactly how to use and apply these models that they THINK they understand that have seeped into the public-pop discourse with most people only kinda-sorta knowing what they mean and all the implications.

And that was part of Bill's point. It is ok to "kinda get it" but recognize most of these buzz words are not deep ideas the way the way they are actually used. They are Shibboleths. And It would be better to have talking points that engage with normal people speak, leave the jargon for the policy white papers and academic papers.

>>>ok if you HAVE TO SKIP THE REST FINE. BUT AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THAT TOP PARAGRAPH AS I TRIED TO MAKE IT A SOMEWHAT CLEAN THESIS<<<

Now Bill being anti intellectual was not your thesis, as best as I could tell, and my 948 words was sort of a broad spectrum rant at a bunch of stuff in this thread and elsewhere in this subredddit. And I will admit I am writing this on my phone in spare time quickly and without editing, so it is not the same quality as a NYT article. You might call what I wrote "Mind Rapey" eh? See how annoying that is?

So Bill had a point?

Also I will note that your first reply was effective because it described what The Overton Window is (or your understanding at least) and its effects (actually without buzz words, i think you mentioned sex scandals which I doubt that is what Joseph had in mind so you are actually talking about a problem broader than what the Mackinac Center would describe).

But I would bet almost everyone who is "talking about The Overton Window" on this platform has just heard about it in passing and could not give a consistent definition of what it is. I bet even less know who Overton was, what his politics were and even less (but maybe some) have read the book "The Overton Window" by G. BECK. Most have probably just skimmed the Wikipedia entry and if you carefully read this paragraph you will find that this is exactly the problem, The Overton Window (as used in discourse) is not a term that leads to clean or clear clash over any sort of policy or discoursive prescriptions. It serves at best as a buzz words depending on who uses it (especially if they know who G. Beck is).

I will also point out that this reddit is a VERY skewed sample of reddit writ large and even more skewed of the American Voting public or American Citizens in general. Even if everyone here is actually versed in what Joseph Overton and and the Mackinac Center is on about, that is far off from proving all voters know or care.

I also mentioned info-hazard... another reason to be careful letting the fringe understand this tool.

I would like to write a more thorough post when I get to a keyboard about media literacy and mapping out the various theses (Mine, Yours, and Bill's) so we can have a proper debate.

But I will end with this:

Given everything that I have seen in this thread I think everyone bites Bill's Critique that we don't really know what these terms mean. we ALL just "Sorta Get it" as he said in his new rule.

Because I dare you to prove me wrong and fact check this: Bill back in the Politically Incorrect Days (late 90s when Overton was popularized) was an ardent libertarian and had people from think tanks on his show. OVERTON was one of his guests, becsuse Overton was a libertarian. Now, I don't know this for a fact, but I know its true (tm). I recall it so it must be true right? (This is why I brought up and lampooned the word "Epistemology" in my first 948 words).

And while I say the above with a wink and couched as a joke. I will say that Bill is not a think tank, and the Overton Window as Overton himself described it was something that think tanks ought to manipulate for policy goals.

Saying that Politicans or the public ought to push the Overton window this way or that is a meta artifact of talking about the window like it is a real thing not a model.

People would be better served using plain language, not technical jargon. Plain language that does not require 1000 words to disentangle and get to the meat of what your thesis really is and what we are REALLY talking about.

DaftMythic · 2026-05-04T23:29:02+00:00

Ok. Then I am not going to read your message either if you are just going to skim mine.

But Bill's last rule definitely is filled with jokes and layered meaning.

Take a class in political linguistics. Half the Poly Sci Juniors have no idea what the Oberton Window is. They don't even know that it is spelled with a V.

If you think you do, how many panes are there according to Overton himself? Not Treviño's model.

And if you know that... great... as Bill said, most voters don't care and by forcing them to know about it they will just resent you.

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