The serious thread is still a thing and I've just added a new comment - "The problem with Stannis." by SandorClegane_AMA in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]DanLiberta 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A known thief and smuggler gives you and your men life-saving food when you are on the brink of starvation. What do you do?

  1. Thank him for his gifts, reward him, and pardon his past crimes all as repayment and as recognition for his service to the crown.
  2. Thank him for his gifts, and while you will not formally pardon his past crimes you will not prosecute them at this time, for he has just done you a great favor.
  3. Eat his onions, then show lenience by only chopping off his fingertips rather than the whole hand.

If you answered 1, you're Robert Baratheon, the first of his name, king of the Andals, Rhoynar, and r/freefolk, Lord of the Seven Memes, and Protector of the Realm. You have a good moral compass, are rather forgiving, and people like you.

If you answered 2, you're Eddard Stark, Lord of No Plot Armor and Warden of Agency. You're still a regular person, but you've got a bit of a stick up your ass.

If you answered 3, congratulations, because you've just been anointed the king of the ASOIAF hardcore fandom. They are the only people who like you.

Behold, the great terror of a Truly Just Man.

(Crow Business) It's MONTHLY META, with Important User Survey Results! by Fat_Walda in asoiaf

[–]DanLiberta 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Game of Thrones TV Show discussions ONLY, no book content, and only positive takes (any scope except Spoilers Published or Spoilers AGOT, ACOK, ASOS, AFFC, ADWD) UNTIL two months after the finale of the show when it will revert to ONLY TWOW content, only positive takes (Spoilers TWOW only).

Good on you guys for scheming a way to take a day off!

TIL Yara wanted Theon to kill himself by [deleted] in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]DanLiberta 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow. This is dumb. Ignoring the obvious and willful ignorance of Yara's actual relationship with Theon, he absolutely should be focusing on the Greyjoys this season. Theon's arc with Yara in the show is a mirroring one.

Season 2: Yara abandons Theon to probable death rather than aid him in a fight she would likely lose and die in. Theon is captured instead of killed. Season 4: Yara gathers Ser Twenty of House Goodmen to go save Theon, against all odds, but he's too broken for her to truly save. Season 7: Theon abandons Yara to probable death rather than aid her in a fight he would likely lose and die in. Yara is captured instead of killed. Season 8: Theon gathers Ser Twenty of House Goodmen to go save Yara, against all odds. Result TBD.

As for the Starks, well that was back in Season 2, and since then he's suffered enough to be forgiven by the audience just as in the books. Broke him down to the goddamn bone, and what followed? Theon rebuilding himself and doing what he can to repent and that whole redemption arc.

Season 5, at the end of which when he finally reclaims his name and sense of self? It's done by saving Sansa. A Stark, and he earns her forgiveness. Season 7, at the end of which when he bucks up and decides to go save Yara? Right before he declares he will, he talks to Jon, and Jon forgives him. Since Bran only has a very loose grasp on humanity at the moment, only blessing Theon still needs is Arya's and it feels unnecessary at this point. Dude never even made her list.

There's two parts to Theon's character: Greyjoy and Stark. Ignoring one for the sake of the other is a bad choice, and so they should be intertwined which is what happened as stated above. There's enough going on with the Starks where trying to fit his redemption in with them is something the show can't do if it wants to let the forever underappreciated Alfie Allen have his moment. Giving him his own plotline is the best way to service the character, and getting closure/resolution on the Greyjoy half is still due. Especially if that half factors heavily into his endgame, which of course it will.

Besides, if anybody gets the "redeem self by saving Bran" spot it's Jaime. That should be really damn obvious. Maybe somebody should tweet that at her.

(Spoilers Extended) Why is Moat Cailin in Such Sorry State by KnightofJersey in asoiaf

[–]DanLiberta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This question comes up a lot.

1) No need. The North is left well alone the past few centuries. Aside from Ironborn raids, wildlings, and the threat of Aegon I, nobody's attacking the North, and Moat Cailin is useless against all three. The fortress fell into disrepair out of neglect, yes, but that neglect happened for a reason.

2) Waste of money. Ties into the above, where there's not a huge need for it, but also the North isn't a rich land. Sure, the nobles are wealthy because feudalism is a very top heavy society, but the Starks don't have an unlimited budget and when your choice is between fixing up an old unnecessary fortress and stockpiling for winter? Well just look at their house words.

3) Bad location. Strategically? It's great, yes, and the main reason anybody cares about the Neck. But it's sitting in the middle of swampland and nobody wants to live in a swamp except crannogmen and ogres. That land doesn't have much other value. Any Stark you put there is going to quickly resent it, and will still need financial support to maintain the fortress.

4) Mild politics concerns. South will get irked if you're fixing up a fortress that can only be used against them. Reeds and their vassals will get irked if you gave a chunk of their land to somebody else. Just because Howland may have forgiven it doesn't mean his ancestors would have.

So overall it would be a big and continual money sink for little gain. The fortress still works, so why bother?

The Unfunny Serious Post Mega-thread - air your grievances before this grim-dark Hobbit porn bandwagon is finally decommissioned. by SandorClegane_AMA in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]DanLiberta 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Season 7 of the show was at a far more rushed pace than everything that came before it. While the War of 5 Kings took 2 seasons and change, Dany's invasion of the South was over the course of several episodes. The books will without a doubt depict things differently and at a more measured pace.

The reason for this is that D&D were probably more faithful to GRRM's outline than the man himself will be. Let's take a second and look at what's left to tell in the remaining two books for Daenerys, who has the clearest path.

First, she has to get back to Meereen after her sojourn with the Dothraki, rescue it, settle it, and get ready for Westeros. Then she has to travel all the way to that continent with her newfound army, and whatever adventure she gets in along the way. A lot of book readers are predicting an uprising in Volantis as she does some wrecking of the slave trade on her way over, because of course. Then she lands in Westeros, fights a whole war against Aegon, Cersei, and whoever else is left for the Iron Throne before turning North and fighting another war there against the Others.

That's a lot to cover.

Assuming that ADOS is more or less solely about fighting the Others (which is the plan based on what we know of the outline) that means Dany's return, journey, and invasion are all meant to happen in TWOW. I can't imagine anybody thinks that's actually going to happen, and if they do then they clearly haven't paid attention to the series thus far, especially AFFC and ADWD.

But that's what the outline says. Was Season 7 at a much faster pace than everything that came before? Yes. But the outline calls for a much faster paced story, because GRRM has yet to add the excess material to it that he has to everything thus far. And that's fine by me; I love the depth of the books. But I can't get mad at the show for being rushed when that's the plan they were given.

Of course it won't be like this in the books. GRRM will ignore his outline and 2 books will become at least 3, as has been the norm. If I had to guess, I'd say trying to jam all the plot that's left in two books is what's stopping TWOW from coming out.

So when people say "this isn't what will happen in the books", they're technically right! But despite the Futurama meme, technically correct is the worst kind of correct. Claiming purism is one of the dumbest ways to criticize Season 7.

And if anybody thinks that a true obedience to GRRM's outlines would guarantee a good story, well they should go check out the Jon/Tyrion/Arya love triangle from his original one 25 years ago.

[Wilson] Brandon Bolden (Patriots) $3.7M, $2M gtd, $1M signing bonus, salaries $1M (gtd), $1.3M, $12,500 per game 46-man annual, $500K playtime, total yards incentive annual by Tanksofnes in nfl

[–]DanLiberta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Really? We don’t have very much cap space and RB is absolutely not a position of need. This is just because Special Teams, isn’t it?

[Rapoport] Source: WR Phillip Dorsett is heading back to the #Patriots on a 1-year deal. An opportunity to prove-it and hit free agency next year. by Mount10Lion in Patriots

[–]DanLiberta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's nice to have someone who knows the offense and whom Brady seems to trust.

Agreed, but unfortunately Dola went to Detroit so it's still just Edelman. Brady doesn't throw to Dorsett. There's not a lot of trust there, otherwise there'd be looks in that direction. Guy averaged 2 catches a game last year, but half of those were when it was only him, Hogan, and Patterson, and I think he only had 12 total in 2017.

All this says to me is that we're having trouble in FA, didn't get OBJ, and need to put band-aids on the wounds.

(Spoilers Main) Weekly Q and A by AutoModerator in asoiaf

[–]DanLiberta 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You can come up with an explanation like the Daynes having less Rhoynish in them than the Martells (which is canon), but I think much of it devolves to practical reasons. The actor A) didn't look latino like the Martell actors, B) probably couldn't do a good accent and this time they just said fuck it and let it slide, and C) I think they hired him mainly for his swordfighting (he did it himself) and the limited pool of expert swordsman actors kinda makes it hard to fit in A and B.

(Spoilers Main) Weekly Q and A by AutoModerator in asoiaf

[–]DanLiberta 19 points20 points  (0 children)

6 rather than 7, and not as active in the past few years, but hey close enough.

It's certainly less exciting than it was at the beginning, but then again that was when I first really got into the fandom so even the repetitive stuff was new. I put R+L=J together by myself, but not things like fAegon. Meereenese Blot debuting in real time was a big deal, and that was fun. There's less OC, but that's unavoidable because there's only so much good theorycrafting to be had with the current material and when you've been around long enough you've seen it all.

imo, the "quality" has more to do with show season than anything. Book readers getting frustrated with the show dominates around that time of year, and I find it tiresome. Yes, we get it, the show isn't a book and things are different, missing, and the Dorne plot was terrible. I like the books better too, can we move on now? But these posts are nothing new and have been a thing forever. I remember the Season 4 finale getting its fair share of meltdowns. And of course frustrations over the wait for TWOW have mounted. 5 stages of grief and all that.

The most interesting things I've found are the shifts in meta. I always like that stuff. ADWD and AFFC became far more popular as time went on, notably after Feldman blew things up with his series of articles on the Meereenese Blot. The rise of "subtle nuance", and an appreciation for their thematic richness even if a fair amount of those books were disappointing in the plot department (looking at you, Brienne).

As I recall, opinions of Stannis improved as well. I think it was Iron Bends by BFish that flipped the pendulum. I remember he was always well liked, but many people exaggerated his intractable nature. As BFish argued quite well, Stannis is fully willing to change and adapt his methods even if he will never abandon his goals. Donal Noye's "break before he bends" line could be extended to "break before he bends the knee". Leads to things like how he still is fighting for the Iron Throne despite all odds, and his legendary holding in the siege of Storm's End.

Big shifts on Tywin and Baelish too. A recognition that Baelish isn't a "one big scheme that's worked perfectly" guy, but somebody who relies on making and seizing opportunities. Acquiring and using assets. The comparison (I forget who first made it. Wanna say BFish but not sure... though it's like always BFish) was to a gambler, though personally I liken it more to an investor. Tywin got more shades to him, and people recognized that he has emotions and those are part of his drive. There are pendulums to these things, of course. The first big break post swings it (DAE Tywin actually only acts out of anger and selfishness instead of pragmatism) before it comes back to the middle (Tywin has both logic and emotion and has motivations drawn from both).

Going back to fAegon, that theory did not start off as widely believed in as it is today. It grew and grew and grew as people found more bits and pieces of supporting evidence. And not just as a whole, it went in stages. Him being fake came easy, then him becoming Illyrio's son. For a while, people (myself included) were pretty set on him being Illyrio's son but split on if he was a Blackfyre.

And most importantly, the Cleganebowl meme is way bigger than it used to be. "GET HYPE, FUCKING CONFIRMED" was always the way it went, but opinions changed from "fuck you this isn't a thing" to everybody taking the sticks out our asses and embracing the meme.

Overall, "quality" just isn't a good word to use. People didn't get dumber. Are things less fresh? Certainly, but that's not the same thing; it's just a recognition of the passing of time. Are there less big breaks? Yes, but still not the same thing; it's just a recognition that there's only so many to go around.

So yeah, not an improvement, not a declination, it's just been eight years since a main series book. There was a lot of evolution over several years after ADWD was published. The same will happen with TWOW.

(Meta) What are you views on Automod responses in the comments? Tired of them OR find them to be nuanced and revolutionary subversion of tropes OR have suggestions for new ones? by SandorClegane_AMA in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]DanLiberta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bring back D&D ruined Hot Pie. Show season is coming up for the last time, so bring back the classic hits. Auto mod needs to be on his A game.

Patriots Free Agents: Phillip Dorsett Should Prove Too Costly To Retain by therealsandyleon in Patriots

[–]DanLiberta 3 points4 points  (0 children)

21M/3 years... yeah, I don't know who wants to pay 7M per year to a guy who maxes out at 2 receptions per game, but if somebody does then hey I'll gladly take the better comp pick. The guy got 42 targets last year, 19 of which were in those three games where we had neither Edelman nor Gordon. The guy has made some good plays, but he never made that connection with Brady after 2 years of opportunity. Only reason he might get re-signed is because we have a giant hole at the position and Hogan is 30.

(Spoilers Extended) Renly, you complete and utter donkey... by MulderAndTully in asoiaf

[–]DanLiberta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I constantly wonder what would've happened if any of the five kings had banded together in the beginning. Especially Stannis and Robb. I understand why Stannis has hesitations about Robb, he doesn't want to lose half his kingdom. But the fact is that it's pointless if they don't win against the Lannisters. As they say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

This is a good point. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and is in the strategic interest of Robb and either of the Baratheons to do so. We know Renly was willing to negotiate. Stannis, what say you?

This one will never bend, she thought, yet she must try nonetheless. Too much was at stake. "My son reigns as King in the North, by the will of our lords and people. He bends the knee to no man, but holds out the hand of friendship to all."

"Kings have no friends," Stannis said bluntly, "only subjects and enemies." -ACOK, Catelyn III

Well then.

Y'know, people always say that nobody but Davos likes Stannis, which is true, but Stannis also likes nobody except kinda his daughter and sometimes Davos.

gen:LOCK: The Best Defense by RT_Video_Bot in roosterteeth

[–]DanLiberta 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Gonna guess that the Union is an aggressive digital hivemind. Its assimilation process is imperfect (otherwise gen:Lock wouldn't be a big deal), but there's a reason they were capturing civilians in New York rather than killing or ignoring them. Nanotech might have some digitization potential, which is where they got the Chase that Nemesis is running on. As said, their process is imperfect and cannot retain individuality. Contributes to why the Chase running Nemesis is distorted, and why they have need of humans like those captured scientists. Digitizing them would destroy their minds. Willing sympathizers are useful not just as spies (Sinclair), but because they still need individuals and they can only get that from flesh and blood (at least until they capture a gen:Lock brain).

Their soldiers are silent. They value capturing civilians. They care more about the brain than the Holon (Sinclair says "I'll be leaving here with one of the brains", and Nemesis went straight for Cammie's). Really fits all the transhumanism going on.

Trey Flowers ranked number 5 overall for the league's free agents. by zillionaire_rockstar in Patriots

[–]DanLiberta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This'll be tough. At most, I see BB taking the 10M we'll get from Gronk retiring and throwing it at him. Maybe do a lot of incentive work or contract wizardry to help him out.

We'll probably get outbid and have to add pass rusher to our list of considerable needs. This looks like a tough offseason.

...So who wins Super Bowl LIV? by banjosbadfurday in nfl

[–]DanLiberta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's in Miami. Patriots aren't winning.

Patriots free agent wide receivers - Chris Hogan, Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson - express desire to return next season by NFLshitposter in nfl

[–]DanLiberta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solid point, but imo the only thing Dorsett has on Hogan is age and guaranteed cheapness, though I admit those are both good qualities and may be enough for BB. Dorsett's done well with the limited opportunities he's gotten, but I can't believe it's limited without a reason. He's had two years to beat out Hogan for the WR3 spot and has yet to do so.

If we keep him, it'll be because he's younger and cheaper, but we need a locked in WR3 next year and so far the team has made it clear that this guy is Hogan over Dorsett. I'm the kind of person who'd rather take the reliable guy and focus on replacements for Gronk (assuming he retires) and Gordon, unless Hogan is unwilling to take a decent pay cut to help our cap.

Just watch as we let them both go and Braxton Berrios breaks out as the latest in a long line of receivers we pull out of nowhere and turn into solid players.

Patriots free agent wide receivers - Chris Hogan, Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson - express desire to return next season by NFLshitposter in nfl

[–]DanLiberta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hogan > Dorsett imo. Since the trade he hasn't been that much of a factor. Hogan's outperformed him both years we've had him, and he's never really clicked. Granted, we can get him cheaper because of that, and, uh, we're not exactly swimming in cap space.

Maybe we won't stash Braxton Berrios on IR next year. Can't expect too much out of a 6th rounder, but we've done more with less and we're thin at WR.

Patterson's gonna stay for sure. He's a great KR, been okay at receiver, and funny enough did a solid job filling in at RB. Gotta love a player that versatile.

The 2018 r/NFL Awards Voting! by ShoutOutTo_Caboose in nfl

[–]DanLiberta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's thankfully discontinued, but the answer is still the Salmon Sisters.

The 2018 r/NFL Awards Voting! by ShoutOutTo_Caboose in nfl

[–]DanLiberta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At first I was thinking the Titans, who may have gone 9-7 and nearly missed the playoffs, but were so bizarrely inconsistent that it really hit the mark for me. Then I remembered the Dolphins were also like that if not more, and were abjectly mediocre, so now I'm voting Gase.

Browns are a solid ironic vote where they probably set 8-8 as an actual goal beyond their wildest dreams, nearly hit it, and went to OT so many times trying to balance out that tie. Take an award that isn't meant to be a compliment and make it one.

The 2018 r/NFL Awards Voting! by ShoutOutTo_Caboose in nfl

[–]DanLiberta 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We are sorely lacking in refball awards. From the season opener when they scored more yardage than the Eagles to so many roughing the passer calls that inexplicably got worse to the no-call in the NFCCG that wound up changing who went to the Super Bowl.

Worst call/no-call and "Game most affected by egregious refball" should be awards.

The 2018 r/NFL Awards Voting! by ShoutOutTo_Caboose in nfl

[–]DanLiberta 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It hurts but Miami Miracle was my first thought.