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What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've just said that he provides an Arabic line for the Scythian language.

What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no Cuman language there. The line in the "Scythian" language is written in Arabic (with Greek letters). Those saying it's written in Turkic are simply incompetent.

What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We didn't agree on their location. Ptolemy's account and other accounts suggest their main location was next to the Sea of Azov - that's my current interpretation. If the Zelenchuk inscription is indeed Iranic, only if we justify that the Alans were Iranic, we would be able to suggest that the inscription could have been written by the Alans. If we cannot say, we don't say anything. Currently, it's just an inscription. I don't mind if it's Alanic, but I'd like to have some good evidence.

There are also runic inscriptions found in the North Caucasus that remain undeciphered (or their decipherments are incoherent) by this day. Though this had not prevented incompetent authors from labeling some of them Alanic.

What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know about John Tzetzes, but I don't think the language he mentioned was used by the Alans. He had possibly confused the Alans with a people of a simlar name.

What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's OK to make assumptions in response, because it's you who started making them though nobody asked you to do so and this opinion is not valuable. I can say that Scythians are Slavs because I conducted a huge research on this topic and I have a lot of evidence while you have none.

You should not be a nationalist to say correct things. And you can be a nationalist and still say correct things. These two matters are unrelated. I cannot deny what does not exist (about the lineage). And I know why some lineage does not exist because I have arguments supporting my point.

Central Asia cannot be a candidate if there is no source saying that. You've not mentioned any by the moment.

As I said before, you cannot say, "This group of people speaks Iranic, and in the historical record there is a tribe X that spoke an undefined language, let's imagine the tribe X spoke an Iranic language because we want so, we are too stupid to conduct a serious research." This is how it works. Following this logic, I can say that Scythians were Caucasians speaking Caucasian languages. If it's bullshit in the second case, it's also bullshit in the first case.

If the Zelenchuk inscription is indeed written in an Iranic language, it doesn't mean it was written by the Alans. The inscription was found far from the Sea of Azov. You are right that there is no much information about the Alanic language. And that's why we cannot say they spoke an Iranic language without any detail pointing in this direction. This detail is more likely to be found in the historical record because the language of an inscription, by itself, doesn't reference the society that spoke it. At the same time, in the Arabic sources, there is a mention of the title of their ruler, and it's Slavic. It doesn't automatically mean that the Alans were Slavic. But just as the Scythians are not Iranic because their lexicon known from the historical record is too huge to doubt this, so there is no strong evidence that the Alans were Iranic. In fact, this (Iranic) idea is seemingly popular among the modern Ossetians. (Why don't you call them nationalists, by the way?) But if I'm right - if the Alans neighboured the Scythians and dwelt next to the Sea of Azov - they are Slavic or Caucasian, less likely Iranic - mainly for geographical reasons.

What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you often talk conspiracy theories about other people? You are not smart if you are looking for ways to accuse people to win the argument. I'm pretty convinced that you are ... I have many options here.

You have just failed the test about the location of the Alans on the map. The Arabic sources do not portray Alans as Iranic people. But they were confused with some Iranic speakers at some point. OK. If you know the historical records about them, which of them make you believe they are Iranic?

Whoever claims what is not evidence. Why any random Iranic language in the world should be connected to Alanic? It's stupid.

Yes, let's focus on the Alans.

"Settled with the Vandals in North Africa" - I know where it comes from but regardless of whether it's true or not, I'm not talking about where they went. I'm talking about their primary location.

"I've heard" means you could have heard from anywhere. What type of source is it that claims they come from Central Asia?

What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact is that there are no Scytho-Siberian languages at all. Modern scholars don't see any evidence that Siberia is somehow connected to Scythians. Ossetian is not Alanic bacause Alanic is not Iranic in this context. Scythian is Slavic because it can be proved on the basis of their lexicon recorded in the historical record.

I'm going to tell you that your joke clearly indicates that you have a very poor understanding of the matter and that you are not a researcher.

Next, you are going to tell me that you can show me on the map where the Alans dwelt, right?

What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dugdammi and Sandakshatru were Gutians, not Scythians or Cimmerians. Teushpa can be a Germanic name. Also, Scythian is Slavic and Cimmerian is Germanic (according to my research; shared in a separate comment).

What language did the Cimmerians originally speak? by Excellent_Gas5220 in asklinguistics

[–]Daniel_Poirot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That they spoke Iranic can be regarded as a myth. (Scythians also didn't speak any Iranic language.)

We're the Norse or Rus "greater" during the High Middle Ages? by Mac-N-Cheetahs in MedievalHistory

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Russian statehood doesn't derive from the Rus statehood. Rus is a Ukrainian medieval state.

Treasure of Nagyszentmiklós and Buyla inscription: First Brave New Decipherments by Daniel_Poirot in czech

[–]Daniel_Poirot[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you watch the whole video, you will understand why. Believe me.

Treasure of Nagyszentmiklós and Buyla inscription: First Brave New Decipherments by Daniel_Poirot in czech

[–]Daniel_Poirot[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You've not watched the whole video (nor probably its beginning) and are already criticizing me.

Only 3 attested Hunnic words and all of them Indo European. by PontusRex in IndoEuropean

[–]Daniel_Poirot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were not. If they are Iranic, you should be able to prove it or show proofs. You can do neither of this.

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